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Adding Images to Skill Tree Page

Hi Warblade, I just uploaded all the remaining icons for Nisha's skills, but I can't seem to figure out how to add them to her skill tree page (Nisha/Skill tree). Could you tell me how? Is there some sort of special procedure to do this? Thanks a lot.

Ablake (talk) 00:15, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well what I usually do is to click Edit then go to Source Editor. I can't say I understand what this "field collapsing" is exactly, since I also notice there's no line breaks between fields in several other pages. But fine. I'm done.

Ablake (talk) 03:22, September 4, 2015 (UTC)



So I've been editing this wiki recently and I noticed some things that I would like to fix myself but it seems better to discuss it first, only I don't know where to discuss it so I ask you.

Is it ok if I change the word "common" for "typical" or "regular" in all the manufacturers' infoboxes (borderlands 2) since common refers to white rarity only?

Also and most importantly, the infobox weapon2 has a redundancy. The fields "rarity" and "color" are the same thing, and it adds automatically the category creating an unnecesary duplicate category for some items (Category:Green with Category:Uncommon and Category:Orange with category:Legendary). I was thinking about just ignoring it and fixing the articles where this happens and the template's doc, but seems like fixing the template itself is a better option

By the way, isn't seraph supposed to go after legendary? As the game itself states it, when you buy from Crazy Earl, the pink follows the orange, ultimately cyan of course. I can also edit this while I'm in the infoboxes

--Damërung . -- 20:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC) 21:57, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Also, my signature does that

Can you refrain from playing with your signature on my user talk page please? -.-
With regards to the "Common" issue you'll have to start a blog and hammer out what to do with the masses here. As for the infobox, I'm inclined to agree. I've been puzzled by those entries in the past. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:16, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
Ok... But playing? No, every time I press the sign button or add the tildes it automatically does that. Shouldn't it by default just put your name and talk page in plain text when you don't have a signature subpage? If yes, looks to me like a bug with this wiki.
Actually, you know what? I just discovered that items that are unique but not orange nor higher fall into two distinct categories ("blue"/"purple"/"e-tech" with "unique"). So that second field is useful just for these items. I'm just gonna go ahead and simply improve the template's documentation as well as remove double categories from the non-just-unique articles.

Gaming footers

Hi, WarBlade!

I was wondering if you had an opinion on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love for the Borderlands community to be included!

Best regards,

Raylan13@fandom (talk) 20:17, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Hook us up. I see you have this wiki listed down under Shooter. I think it fits RPG slightly more appropriately, but shooter is about the next best thing if there are space constraints.
Y'know, now that I think about it, are you involved with doing these for TV series / movies / books as well? I admin on three other other wikis that could benefit from footers like these. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
Consider Borderlands listed and approved! As for the other non-gaming footers, I don't know of any plans involving them for the time being, but I'll let you know if I hear anything ;) Raylan13@fandom (talk) 22:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

More redundant stuff

The template Template:Character and Template:Infobox character are redundant but more than that, I think the first one is bad because it comprises the entire article wich feels wrong in its own, but it also makes editing more complicated, does not allow to include tables and there is no edit button for each section since they're not actually existant. This doesn't seem to be a big deal with smaller articles, but only those.

Also there seem to be redundant categories in some places like for example: Category:Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty and Category:Appears in Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty. What do you think of all this? - Damërung . -- 22:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Character was implemented to prevent all the random additions and style changes that were springing up on character articles. Yes, it comprises the entire page, and that is by design. Template:Infobox character was the old one, and is now deprecated. As for the categories, they are not redundant - categories have frequently been misapplied, and that was another reason why the full page character template was introduced. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:45, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
Oh I see. However, I can't include tables while using that character template like for example the table in Creeper where the skin drops from that enemy are shown. Perhaps using the old one in those cases is ok? - Damërung . -- 11:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
There is no reason to comprehensively document skin drops on a character article, complete with tabulated data and images. Those are pick up items, in other words "another subject" and therefore belong on an appropriate item article. By all means, link to an associated article, but please do not try to document characters and skins on articles reserved for characters. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


I do not know who to tell, but I found a pressing issue. If you visit borderlands wikia pages (I tried it on the legendary page, home page, and several character pages) from a mobile device, in my case an iPhone, you are often (tried 10 times, got it 6 of them) given cookies by malicious adware sites including adking. Once given, whenever you click on a link anywhere, before it loads, one of several strange and likely malicious URL's will quickly flash in the address bar then go away after redirecting you to your origional destination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra Arkanian (talkcontribs)

Hi Petra Arkanian,
Please use the Special:Contact form to submit a report for Wikia staff to review. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:25, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox format collapsing after adding images


I just came across the conversations you had with Ablake over skill info boxes and how their formatting would collapse when adding images, regardless of using the source editor or copy and pasting from the skill template itself. I just realized this has been happening to me as well after seeing the cleanup work you did to an article I edited earlier today. After some testing I came up with a cause and solution.

The issue stemmed from the user preferences in my account, specifically the ones for editing. The VisualEditor was selected as my preferred editor, which I changed to the source editor. After this change, adding an image to a skill infobox didn’t cause the formatting to collapse like it had been doing. Apparently, the mere act of having the VisualEditor on when initiating a page edit triggers the issue, even if the source editor is switched to for the actual editing. --Maniacal Mutton (talk) 22:30, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

That's an interesting observation. Thanks. I'm still puzzled about how the VisualEditor tags are appearing in page histories. Every one of Ablake's edits were tagged as VisualEditor, despite the assertion that source editing was used. Looking at your sandbox history today I see four edits tagged as VisualEditor edits, a further five apparently as source edits, then another from VisualEditor. Curiosity question: Is that an accurate portrayal of the editors used? Or were there any source edits (from switching to source from VisualEditor as the default) tagged as VisualEditor? -- WarBlade (talk) 00:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
The sandbox edits marked as source were done with the default set to source editor. However, I just tested the scenario where VisualEditor is the default editor, an edit is initiated, source edit is used to edit, and than the page is saved. It tagged this edit as having been done with the VisualEditor, since you cannot publish directly from the popup source window when the edit was started with VisualEditor. -- Maniacal Mutton (talk) 00:45, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought that might happen. Thanks again. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 09:21, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tables of skins

Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous? I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template. - Damërung -- 14:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

"Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous?"
Because you moved content outside of the page template.
"I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template."
Exactly. Those tables do not belong on those other articles either.
-- WarBlade (talk) 23:08, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Of course they belong there, they are relevant information to the article in question, why wouldn't they. - Damërung -- 03:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
You're referring to character heads / skins. These are pick up items, or consumables to put another label on them. Irrespective of where they drop from, they have no place being documented on a character article. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:39, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I mean, why would they be irrelevant? We're not talking about money or eridium or health which are also consumable items, these are character customizations, an important part of the game and a few of them are obtained through a certain enemy only. Pictures improve an article and this is adding content. - Damërung -- 11:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so I'll add them. Unless you want to discuss it further. - Damërung 21:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I thought I was clear. Do NOT add them. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:53, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
You keep saying they don't belong there, but why? What is so terrible about that idea? We're talking about improving an article here. - Damërung 03:12, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious if the following would be acceptable:

  1. Adding a an anchor around the skin/head names in the individual "Skins" page (like Maya's), with <span id="ACryingShame">...</span> or whatever.
  2. Then on the boss page itself, enumerating the specific skin/head drops via a usual text-based list, rather than the clunky table-with-graphics, something like: [[Maya/Skins#ACryingShame|Maya Head - A Crying Shame]]

That way the information about which specific skins a boss drops is still enumerated on their page, with a quick link to a graphic showing what it looks like, but it's not pulling in graphics and tables which aren't really necessary. Apocalyptech (talk) 19:40, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

I still think the images are better but this is better than nothing, seems to me like a good solution. - Damërung 00:25, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Need help

Hey, I was editing this page, but there are 2 spaces after the first instance of liason. I need help regarding that.


It's ok, the page is largely outdated at this time EDIT: AND THE ENTIRE PAGE NEEDS RE-WRITTEN since unregistered editors can no longer edit here due to HUGE amounts of vandalism. As far as I know, there are no active liaisons on this wiki. Although anyone really has the power to be one. Final signature 15:41, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

The page can sit as it is. Final signature 15:47, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Robot your talk page says that you are a liaison. Anyways I fixed that. {{SUBST:User:Utkar22/Sig|16:30,30-Oct-2015}} 16:30, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Why reversal of my changes on "The Machine"

I added that "The Machine" is a reference to the Team Fortress 2 weapon of the same name - which it clearly is, so why did you remove this instead of simply adding a trivia section for this weapon Kukicha (talk) 20:57, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Because six years of assertions masquerading as "trivia" on this wiki moved us to implement a strict trivia policy. In short, if the trivia policy gets ignored then the trivia update will probably be removed. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:33, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

Lootable Objects

Hello there,

am trying to update Lootable object page by adding pictures of BLTPS versions but image I'm adding somehow ends up in a wrong section. Not sure why is that, any help will be appreciated.

SirFoggy (talk) 16:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Racist Hotdog / Birthday Cat

Hello! I was going to add a page for Racist Hotdog and Birthday Cat, but I got to thinking that they probably didn't each merit their own page, since they're both just personae of Claptrap and are never encountered individually. So I was thinking of maybe just a "Claptrap Personae" page which would have both. And then I got to thinking that since they're sort of just Claptrap, maybe all they merit is a section on Claptrap's page itself. Anyway, let me know which of those you'd prefer (or if you'd prefer something else entirely) and I'll take a stab at it later. Thanks! Apocalyptech (talk) 21:59, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, thinking about it just a little more, it probably wouldn't make sense on Claptrap's page, 'cause they're first used by a totally different Claptrap unit, not Claptrap/Fragtrap itself. So just a "Claptrap Personae" page? Anyway... Apocalyptech (talk) 22:03, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more a "Personae" page might make the most sense. In File Search, Claptrap opens the Security door by pretending to be "Tiffany," and I seem to recall that there were a few other instances of similar assumed-identities-while-opening-doors elsewhere, though I can't recall them now. (Apologies for all the talking-to-self, btw) Apocalyptech (talk) 22:46, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, in the end it probably does make more sense to just have them as separate pages, even though it's mostly duplicated information between the two. I've gone ahead and done that. Apocalyptech (talk) 16:26, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have that DLC. If you could refer the question to others who do, I could look in on the subject (and mediate if needed), but I try to avoid heavy involvement in subjects that I have no personal experience of. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, thanks! I'm pretty sure it makes the most sense the way I ended up doing it, so I think I'll probably just leave it that way, and if others disagree it can always be edited. Thanks for all the editorial work in general, btw - it's nice to have someone with your eye for detail looking things over! Apocalyptech (talk) 14:22, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Change to "Rarity link" template?

Hello! I'd like to make a change to the "Rarity link" template to support Glitch rarity a little better, but since that is a super-commonly-used template, I figure it should get approved by someone in charge. :)

The short summary is that "Glitch" itself can refer to an item rarity, to a class of enemies, and to an individual enemy itself, so the "Glitch" page itself should really be disambiguation. My proposed change would allow users to specify {{Rarity link|glitch}} to link directly to Glitch (rarity), instead of having to do something like: {{Rarity link|glitch|glitch|Glitch (rarity)}}, which is ugly and far less intuitive than any of the other rarity levels.

I've put up a template which does what I'd suggested here: User:Apocalyptech/Rarity link. I've also created a table showing its functionality (and a more in-depth discussion of my proposal) at User:Apocalyptech/Testing.

An alternative to editing the template like this is to just leave Glitch as a redirect to Glitch (rarity) and cope with not having a disambiguation page. I'd personally prefer changing the template, but I'd understand if you'd prefer not to.

Thanks in any case! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 06:57, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, well - if you've got no objections (or just plain don't care), I'll probably go ahead with this change soon. My testing indicates that the only behavior it changes is when "glitch" is specified, so IMO it's quite safe. Onward! Apocalyptech (talk) 20:38, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I did see this, but lost track of it bouncing between updates. Yeah, sounds fine. If the target article has moved to distinguish it from other subjects of the same name, then the templated link should be updated to match. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:58, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Groovy, thanks! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 14:41, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I did find one case where my updated template breaks existing content; namely when it's used via the Template:Challenge skin template (and perhaps elsewhere). When the template sees a link like ":Category:CategoryName", because it's being seen inside a #switch statement, it interprets it as if it were the beginning of a line, so the leading colon for the category link is interpreted as an indent statement (which breaks the linking). You can see that on the Challenge page in the Borderlands 2 section; various numbers in that table are supposed to be linking to Category:Skins but aren't 'cause of the weirdness. I'm looking into solutions; if I don't find anything in a bit I'll revert my changes to the Rarity link template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:12, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, all better. The behavior doesn't seem to be changeable (at least that I'd found), but if I move the link brackets inside each #switch case, it at least takes care of the indent/colon issue, so I'm happy enough with that, even though it technically adds a bit of duplication in the template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:48, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Where to do "Sandbox" style edits?

So I'm curious where is appropriate to do a concerted amount of work on a specific page? I'd just doublechecked, and edits to my own User:Apocalyptech/Sandbox page (assuming that's what you mean) still show up in the "Wiki Activity" log... Is that better than doing a series of edits, even though the edit history looks the same? Or were you just talking about the "history" on a single page itself, not the activity log?

On a more philosophical note, I suppose I'm still a bit unsure as to why incremental edits like the ones I've done today would be a bad thing. I looked over the history for today and there's only one edit in there that I'd personally consider somewhat frivolous - when I'd needed to correct a broken link that I should've caught during Preview. The others were basically just a combination of fixing problems/omissions as I happened to notice them, and adding in the new page content that I'd been adding. I suppose I tend to come from a school of thought that incremental changes are much preferred to wide, sweeping changes, so it's an adjustment. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 22:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Your personal user space is your own to tinker with as you see fit, but main space articles are collaborative, and updating them with a multitude of small edits can cause unnecessary bloat for other contributors to sift through. It can also be a problem for editors trying to update pages when someone is publishing test edits, and causing edit conflicts as a result. One edit is good, several to correct oversights / mistakes are acceptable, but you ran the count to fourteen. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:51, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
Noted, though IMO fourteen edits over six hours is hardly excessive. I also wouldn't classify anything I was doing as "testing," and the chances of anyone else doing work on that page seemed minimal at best (and I always have a tab open on the self-refreshing Activity page while I'm working, specifically in case someone else ends up wanting to edit the same page I'm working on). Still, I shall certainly attempt to keep serial edits to a minimum. Apologies again for the spam! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 23:52, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, hm, this will doubtless come off sounding like some kind of ragequit-like thing, but it's honestly not intended to be that. Mostly I just wanted to suggest that in the future, if someone comes to the wiki willing to spend hours adding content, collecting and uploading images, and generally filling things out, it's maybe not a great idea to block them from editing a page for the "totally inappropriate" crime of averaging one edit every 25 minutes on a page that's being actively worked on.

I'd had some pretty grand plans to continue filling out Pre-Sequel content, and I've still got 59 already-cropped images sitting in a dir on my HD which'd otherwise already be uploaded and sitting on tons of new pages by now. In the end, though, getting locked out of a page I'd been happily working on for hours gave me a pretty strong disinclination to continue editing, and it was pretty easy to decide to spend my idle time doing other stuff. I may certainly end up back at some point if my Pre-Sequel activity returns (I was pretty much done playing TPS when I'd gone crazy with the editing)... It seems like with a frivolous activity like adding content to a video game wiki, throwing up needless barriers to willing contributors is perhaps not the best policy. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 18:15, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

I've spent a lot of time on wikis learning that "willing contributors" are not necessarily the same thing as "productive contributors." Wikis are collaborative efforts to maintain and it is therefore beneficial to make updates with as much consideration for fellow contributors as possible - editing on the small scale, piecemeal, runs counter to that goal. I've also found that while some people disappear after a warning or block, others resolve to adjust their behaviour, and those are often the ones that make some of the best editors further down the track. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
Heh, well. If you really do consider that six-hour editing session "small scale," piecemeal, totally inappropriate, and somehow harmful to the hypothetical editors who might have in some alternate universe been attempting to edit those pages at the same time as me, then we definitely do have a pretty wide philosophical schism here. If you're unwilling to incur a "cost" of having one edit every 25 minutes or so, on an index-like page which now links to 23 new pages which hadn't existed before that six-hour editing block, then we probably just don't have much common ground. Alas! Anyway, good luck with the rest of the wiki; I seem destined to be one of those who just disappears, it seems. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 05:57, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Animal Rescue: Food

Animal Rescue food: the info is wrong - you do not shoot scags to get the tougues - they are hanging in the NW side of town.

After the frist round is done the mounted dcags are where you get the tongues, they do not drop off reg skags.

I know the edit was messy but the info is wrong.

Nivekinks (talk) 06:45, January 11, 2016 (UTC)Nivek

You appear to be referring to the second stage of Animal Rescue: Medicine, which involves finding five pieces of food on racks up around Gunslinger's Corner. Please research carefully before updating articles, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:13, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
Listen - the first part is get medicine
The second part is get the tongued - they are on the cart
the Third part is get more tongues and they are dropped from the armoured skags - NOT the three on the way to the elevevator.
I just did the quests - so how about you do some research ? Jesus whats the point of a wiki if its wrong.
Nivekinks (talk)
Firstly, do not wipe talk page content from another user's talk page - the fact that you did this (after a testy response restored above) has resulted in a short three day block, and hopefully that is sufficient to give you time to simmer down. Maintaining the content of user talk pages is the prerogative of that user, not you. Secondly, if you find incorrect information on the wiki, it is fine to update it, but all updates must be carefully researched - any double-checking is appreciated. Any further disputes or disagreements must be taken to the article talk page.
The Borderlands Wiki also strives to present information in the third person perspective, so addressing your reader on mainspace articles will result in reverted edits. Similarly, we dropped the use of the word "quest" in 2009 in favour of the word "mission" seeing as that is the what the games themselves have displayed on the user interface. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:28, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Page moves

Sure no problem (in response). I have made several moves, all of them with good reason except that last one. I guess I must have confused it with a skill article. My bad, I also did changes regarding the links between the articles after the renaming, don't worry I'll go ahead and revert those.

On another note, some articles like Shield and Sniper Rifle are conflicting with specific items that are called like that (Shield (Tediore) and Sniper Rifle (Title)), I forgot the Sniper one, but I did renamed the shield which you already reversed. Don't you think those should be disambiguations as well? - Damërung 21:29, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

No, those are primary item types, and therefore are common search terms, with hundreds of articles linking to them. They need to stay put. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:18, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah good point. - Damërung 09:00, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I will move the pages Invader (sniper rifle) to Invader (Borderlands, sniper rifle) because there are actually 2 sniper rifles, one of which is from Borderlands 2 making the disambiguation title inacurate. The second disambiguaton annex, because there is a third weapon also called invader, from Borderlands too which I'll change to Invader (Borderlands, pistol). I think this follows the guidelines, an example of this already happens with MIRV grenades here and here. Unless I missed something, what do you think? - Damërung 00:24, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

My request to you was simple: If you think a page should be moved, request a page move, but do not move the page. Then you carried on moving pages anyway, hence why you are now blocked. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Reverting Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox

Why did you revert changes on Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox? No information was lost in the new version, valuable information was added, and the entire thing was massively cleaned up for easier navigation, rather than having a tutorial explained in mouseover tooltips for images. Degrelescence (talk) 05:28, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Aside from putting a slider gallery in the page (please don't do that again), you also killed your entire update by defying the policy on maintaining third person perspective. Addressing your reader directly is automatic grounds for a revert. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:56, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
Actually your Borderlands Wiki:Manual of Style says nothing about addressing the reader, and actually shows several examples of addressing the reader, as fine. What it says is that referring to the author is a no, no. Which I didn't do. See the writing section. That said, I agree that in universe writing is common but changing the one "you" to "vault hunter" would have taken almost no effort on your part. Second, I shouldn't be here, asking for your explanation of the revert, as you should always explain your actions. "Editors have been working on this wiki for years and to not give reason for editing at this stage is simply rude" (first paragraph of the manual of style). Finally, you really think 6x pictures and subtext is better than bulleted explanation and 2x pictures?
"Images: Images make an article memorable and pretty. They can speak where words fail. At the same time, misplaced or untidy images can detract from an article. When choosing images, keep in mind placement, size, and the appropriateness of the image to the section. Let images flow with the text instead of break it up. [...] Galleries: When an article has many images, or can be improved by having more, and having inline images be detract from the readbility of an articles, the use of a gallery section is encouraged." Degrelescence (talk) 19:39, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
The Manual of Style is out of date, and the Style Guide slightly less so. As for suggesting I should clean up after you, maybe, sometimes on small clean up jobs, but you'll have to appreciate (given the length of time it has taken me to reply) that I don't necessarily have the time to pick through and adjust everything to the established standard here. The gallery style for those Easter egg hunt achievements is currently two-column graphic and map, with a blurb covering the location. If that is to change we will have to embark on a wiki-wide project, and if you want to do that you will have to campaign for it and get a clear consensus. Please do not attempt to overhaul a large chunk of the wiki again without discussing the matter with the community here first. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:49, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
I would respond, at length, to all the ridiculous in that reply, but it doesn't matter. Here is all it comes down to: you were a dick for no reason. Simply stating that you use a particular format for those kinds of pages would have been a start and end to the conversation. Instead you decided to lie, belittle, and insult, like a child. I won't change the page, because I can respect that there is more than one collection challenge and maintaining consistent formatting should be the priority but you should really reconsider how you talk to people. Your entire talk page, top to bottom, is evidence that I am not the only one. Degrelescence (talk) 14:02, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Determinate State

Before Tales from the borderlands, there were characters with determinate state? —Preceding unsigned comment added by mc2411 (talkcontribs)

I'd never encountered the term prior to Tales of the Borderlands. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:20, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Uploading heads and skins

Sorry to bother you, Warblade, but how do I add missing heads and skins to the different VH's pages? For example, Maya is missing a few of hers, but I can't add them. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 00:20, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Special:Upload is the tool to use. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:02, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 16:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Battleborn Invite

Hello WarBlade! I just wanted to let you know I sent you an email about a Battleborn opportunity. I'd love to hear from you, so let me know if you have a different email I should use than the one you used to register your Wikia account.

Thanks! Jorge @fandom(profile)•(talk) 23:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to decline. I just looked at a couple of trailers for Battleborn, and to be honest they didn't spark my interest. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:12, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


1st of all, I can't edit anything on the Wikia, for some reason... Can you help me out? plz?

Thanks,ZeusGamer101 (talk) 11:45, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Leaving a message on my talk page qualifies as an edit... Were you trying to edit a protected page? -- WarBlade (talk) 02:47, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


Hey Warblade, I think SparkofLeaves ' account was hacked because they changed a lot of the sniper rifle pages for BL 1 from repeater to pump-action. As far as I know, only shotguns are pump-action. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 03:29, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

They're just making nomenclature consistent. Please review Sniper Rifle. Dämmerung 03:34, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
The term is bolt-action, not pump-action, so I think that page needs to be updated as well.
Gulfwulf (talk) 18:23, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Review the animation of the weapons in question. There is no bolt, hence, these are not bolt-acton rifles. These are weapons in a fictional universe. Dämmerung 18:25, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'll load up the game later on and check them out, but pump-action just seems a strange way to describe a sniper rifle. Anyway, I've reverted all of my changes and want to appologize to Sparky if they read this.
Gulfwulf (talk) 18:31, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I hear you. I called them "manual-action" rifles on the parts page for just that reason. Dämmerung 18:41, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

the End-User Created Content page

Hi, I left a message on User talk:Dr. Clayton Forrestor and thought I should probably link it to the other admin as well you might know anything useful on the situation too? (I thought about copypasting it but it's probably best to keep the conversation on one page) --kittenofdoom (talk) 12:29, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 19:40, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Jet Fighter Image

Thanks for adding the info box on the Jet Fighter page. You wouldn't happen to be able to grab a screen shot of one, would you?  I play on 360, so anything I could generate would be... yeah.  I did try searching the images already uploaded, but couldn't find one to link to.

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 01:09, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

I think I have several jet fighter screenies - I have quite a big archive to draw from. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:51, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Why I stopped contributing here

I was just going to do nothing but I came back to post here because I should at least say something, even if it's ignored

I decided a few days ago to stop contributing here, after I had been pretty active (I had enthusiasm because I like the characters and story with this game, and.. I'm not Australian but after I read about 2K Australia being closed by 2K acting like a greedy corporate parent because they didn't want to pay their employees the Australian cost of living etc, was really sad, so I wanted to make sure that stuff gets memorialised).

You deleted screenshots for an article that I had spent a while making, uploading and tagging - even though they didn't break any rules (4 from different angles and 1 in a different pose - so that there's an encyclopaedic record of what stuff looked like even if different computers can't play it in future years - and the 2 animated gifs showed the intro and the character's movement in a way a static picture can't[1][2][3])

Just deleted without any kind of discussion or talking, just summarily and authoritarian-like... I stopped editing wikis a long time ago because of this kind of behaviour from people given admin powers on the internet before, it seems to nearly always go to their heads (and I looked at your userpage and realise that you are not one of those "teenage admins" where the cliché comes from but that just makes it more disappointing really), and unlike people like paid community representatives and such who are hired for their social skills, experience with helping others, talking to people etc, it's usually based on whatever things people contribute on a technical level instead, I'm reminded of this article #5 and #4, but yeah that stuff applies to all wikis not just you personally, and I am too disillusioned with all that to write more...

I looked through things and looks like Dr Forrester wrote this years ago Borderlands Wiki:Greeter/Liaison policy#Guidelines_for_new_authors, it's nice and reads that someone had genuine good intentions, it's thoughtful, it's a shame though that it's not in practice though

This could probably be better worded and might just make you angry or whatever, but I don't know what else to say, now I can feel I at least said something anyway --kittenofdoom (talk) 13:29, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

I deleted redundancy. There is no reason to make a gallery with three different versions of basically the same shot (one distinction being a slight baring of teeth because the character was talking), and we really only have character galleries for the playable characters anyway - the character template itself indicates that by not including a gallery field. And please do not upload animated gifs for galleries. As for providing an explanation, the update summaries only provide room for a few words, certainly not a paragraph like this one here. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:05, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Redundancy doesn't work in the long run in many cases.
Redundant deletions may be constructive if there no meaningful difference between versions.
Similar how you add something obviously missing, you may trim down something obviously duplicate.
There also nothing special about admins, we can all make mistakes.
Please see User_talk:Kittenofdoom#Don.27t_be_upset_about_your_removed_content D1g (talk) 16:18, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Enemies Template for Pre-Sequel?

In comparing the BL2 and TPS character pages, I noticed that there's an Enemies template (Enemies of Pandora).  Unless I'm missing something, there's no Elpis/Helios equivalent?  If I just missed it, please point it out!  If it doesn't exist, any chance of adding one?  --Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:18, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and on the subject of templates...

Any idea why the image upload tool is transposing the height and width of the image in the meta data?  Is there any way to fix this?  Uploaded image for the Turret info box which was cropped from a full screen shot using Photoshop CS3, but it's not showing properly.  Any clues on this would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:36, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

A Crazy Idea...

Just a suggestion but, if you don't feel that what someone has done fits with the site's requirements, how about employing a little constructive engagement?  Let them know what the issue is, and give them a chance to fix it, rather than just nuking everything from orbit.  You never know: it might actually result in more completed pages...

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 00:25, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

I have spent six years letting people know what the issues are, and still I find myself asked for the same explanations - explanations which cannot fit in update summaries. Please note that you are publishing content on a wiki. Here we ask that you keep to third person perspective (no addressing your reader). Also note we generally don't play host to step-by-step instructions, which are largely superfluous given that the Borderlands games themselves give players the prompts on where to go and what to do. It's the "how" to do things that makes for interesting reading. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:31, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Bandits versus Bandit in manufacture name

Hey Warblade,

I see you've reverted the change to the Pun-chee and I was wondering why. The manufacture of the Pun-chee is "Bandit", not "bandits" as stated on the item card. Sure bandits may make them, but I think it's a bit confusing because the card says "Bandit", which is the same as the other manufactures like Torgue, Tediore, etc. Thanks.

Damn it, forgot to sign. --Gulfwulf (talk) 07:10, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

It only confuses if you take a very literal interpretation of the word on the item card and ignore the meaning of that word. Torgue and Tediore are examples of big manufacturing businesses - they have company brand names. "Bandit" and "scav" weapons by contrast are simply cobbled together by certain denizens of Pandora and Elpis respectively. And those groups are rightly common nouns. Those factions apparently do not maintain large weapon factories with a brand name named after them, so it would be inappropriate to treat those weapons in exactly the same context as the branded guns of the corporate giants, branded with the title of a proper noun. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:25, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


There were a lot of choices and it was difficult to try and think of all our communities... *gulp*

Thanks for reading it :)

Knakveey (talk) 20:05, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Text wrapper templates

Heya :) Thanks for being interested in the template classification project. Due to various constraints, there are going to be some templates, like {{O2}}, which just don't fit easily into any of our classes. And you may find that for these more unusual templates, advice will vary from staff member to staff member — or even will change over time, should we add (or change the nature of) the classes.
As of right now, having consulted our engineering team, I'd say you'd be best off changing the class to "Design". Though this class is mainly for templates that affect the layout of whole pages, I think we can safely stretch its meaning to be something that affects the design of a part of a page — even a small one. — CzechOut @fandom 19:40, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes

Hello! I'm Isaac, and I'm representing Wikia's Vanguard and Community Technical teams. We help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified Borderlands Wiki as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop infoboxes in global CSS, and work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple.

If I can do this successfully for some of your most commonly used Infoboxes, can we work together to do all of them? We'd really like to get working on your community, but we need your go-ahead. Also, if you have any questions, or this is the wrong venue for this kind of a discussion, please let me know. Thanks! FishTank @fandom (wall) 09:11, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

So I sigh to myself and check the side by side comparison, and this time I'm pleasantly surprised. Okay, based on previous issues we've had with portable infoboxes I'm going to throw a particular requirement out there: we need a problem-free, functional demonstration version, not called by an existing mainspace page, to review (and tweak if necessary) before pushing it to live articles. The test version called in my subpage linked above may be a suitable candidate. That design is also visible on skill pages calling Template:Infobox skill, which I've left intact for the moment (it was less problematic than the mission infobox). Then it can become a community decision - we can put up another blog for users to comment on.
Now for the feedback. On my test page the infobox has a wonderfully ugly brown stripe for True Vault Hunter Mode that nobody wants - this was just a subheading under "Rewards" triggered by a parser in the event that rewards were supplied for the higher game difficulty level. Other than that little detail, the old infoboxes were horrendously ugly to start with, so in terms of styling I think it's safe to say we can be quite flexible - see for a garish red and yellow, with thick black lines, style for ideas. The existing orange and grey palette was fine, but I think the dark mustard tone brought in on the initial attempt with portable infoboxes was a step in the wrong direction personally.
Has there been some more work done on the word wrap issues recently? I see text being presented appropriately now, and without a smorgasbord of hyphens. It looks good. That was one of the old problems we had: boxes for concise information bites needed to account for titles like The Horrible Hunger of the Ravenous Wattle Gobbler, and Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel is better off without any added hyphens. I'm really pleased with the way the text is looking in the portable infobox now. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:38, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
if it doesnt wreck the browser version of the wiki then:
Run that baby


ChemicalweaponThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn  •  Wordpress shovel   11:01, June 13, 2016 (UTC)
I'm pleased that you like those. My drafts are not yet done (as there was an unexpected issue I discovered with implementation this morning), but are close: Template:Infobox_weapon2/Draft and Template:Infobox_mission/Draft. Those are the only two I've done so far. I was hoping to have a live demonstration available that was CSS complete (the problem is contingent on rarity in Weapon2). I fully intend to have a problem-free functional demo as soon as Engineering works out this kink. We shoot for pixel-perfect replicas unless there's room for improvement with native functions, or you elect to make a change. I'll admit: we've made great strides in the look of PIs. Probably the easiest way to see the differences is to add /Draft to the template call in an article and preview it. The brown stripe was easily fixed once you pointed it out. I'm not sure what was up with the hyphenation / wrap before, but that may have had to do with over-padding. So, can I keep working at the drafts? Shouldn't interfere with anything you have in production. FishTank @fandom (wall) 11:27, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

i do not bleve we need worry about whats in production. the franchise is between games and the dev is working on battleborn so the admins and userbase of this wiki are more focused on spell checking and fact checking at this time. i do not have a problem w/ this implementation provided it neither breaks the wiki nor causes unannounced re-editing of articles to accommodate a feature that was not requested by the userbase. i realize that wikia is all about the mobile, i do. please keep in mind that ppl have poured time and energy into this wiki long b4 the mobile push. these ppl, myself included, will be nonplussed to see their efforts torn asunder by non community members. play nice, share your toys. Njoy! ChemicalweaponThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn  •  Wordpress shovel   00:50, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

That's easily addressed. I have no intention of changing your article text or any of the parameters in the Infobox. That should all be a seamless drop-in replacement. (Even if mass-editing needed to happen, I'd bot edit it with your approval.) By "in production", I meant the live copy of Borderlands Wiki as opposed to a sandbox or test wiki. For what it's worth, neither Wikia nor portability is "all about the mobile". It's a factor, and it's a large part of traffic, but the benefits go beyond that. Especially with game communities, players tend to access the wiki from whatever device / platform is available; that can be anything from a phone to a game console to a smartwatch (and eventually the HUDs of VR viewers, which will doubtless be a method of play for the next Borderlands game). We want to make sure that your content works on all of those, too. FishTank @fandom (wall) 02:41, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Two variants, for consideration:

Since you said that there was some flexibility in what you were interested in, I took two paths. The screenshot on the left is your current Infobox. The second is one I more specifically designed for you. The third is slightly modified from our stock default theme "Europa". Tell me which of the two options you'd like me to lean towards, and any elements of the original that you'd like me to carry over that were changed. Thanks! FishTank @fandom (wall) 00:41, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

EDIT: Added a fourth, the pure stock unmodified Europa one. Just in case you were looking for a comparison. FishTank @fandom (wall) 00:52, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I like option #2 the most in general terms, but I'll break my thoughts down a little more:
  • We can lose the blue title of the weapon infoboxes in favour of colours more consistent with the rest of the infoboxes.
  • I'd rather stay clear of the brown background colour - I kinda like it, but we have quite a bit of content set up to work with the grey.
  • The red title background on the fourth option interests me. The red runs closer to official Borderlands colour iconography for the first two games, and frankly I've never been attached to this orange.
So, I'd ditch #1 and #3, and maybe try the grey and red elements of #2 and #4 personally. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:06, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

notably the examples do not reflect the unique (blue) rarity of the item in the title text. ChemicalweaponThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn  •  Wordpress shovel   08:20, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Uhh, yeah, we should probably elaborate on that. The item infoboxes have used the item rarity colours derived from the in-game text. Some people might be attached to it. Meanwhile, as someone who has set the colour balance on a number of tricky colour issues here, I can see that this practice is loaded with pitfalls. Orange and Magenta, among others, might offer contrast issues with red and orange hues. The trouble with using item rarity colours on the text is that we will forever be bound to imitate the games' colour structures, and even those have fudged the issue with dark borders on bold fonts in the games, something that is impractical to copy here. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:18, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
"Some people might be attached to it." Does that make it a dealbreaker to not have it? As you say, there are inherent pitfalls, and it produces inconsistent styling with a result that doesn't mean much when the rarity is reflected by actual text further down. As for the "red vs orange", we could, for example, make the title more consistent (with red) and the group headers and navigation use the orange, or any such combination. No amount of red or orange will ulitmately look good with the blue, though, and I'd really rather steer away from coloring the text of the title when the meaning of such is ambiguous AND it causes styling conflict. FishTank @fandom (wall) 19:47, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
It's not a deal breaker to me. I'm quite content to move to a consistent theme, and you've just echoed quite a few of my thoughts on the matter as to why. -- WarBlade (talk) 00:19, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
OK! So, new "swatches" for your perusal. Note that the padding and spacing are very different in the Europa version. Let me know what you're thinking, and maybe we can get this done today. :-)

FishTank @fandom (wall) 06:13, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

The bottom colours aren't desirable - that is just another infobox field that can be triggered or disabled by contributors to create a subpage link. Backing up to your earlier gallery, I'll point right to the second image you had as my initial preference, and Photoshop in my other suggestion with a quick paint bucket splash.
--WarBlade (talk) 02:43, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Consider that coloring removed. We're going with the red bars and spacing of Europa, then? (Option 2) FishTank @fandom (wall) 03:13, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, let's try that. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 03:42, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

OK, changes made as discussed and many Infoboxes approved. If you spot anything that you'd like tweaked, let me know. :-) FishTank @fandom (wall) 17:25, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Need Help Reversing Category Edit

Hey, uh, I'm kinda new to editing this wiki. And editing Wikis in general. I hit the 'Leave Message' button, so I hope I'm doing this right.

You posted on my talk page, saying to ask for help whenever needed. I tried to add a category to a picture of a Queen Spiderant that I uploaded (queenspiderant1.jpg), and I didn't notice that the categories are case-sensitive and I can't seem to go back and edit the category, I accidentally made it 'Images of Enemies', rather than 'Images of enemies'.

How do I reverse this edit? 

Thanks. QueenFrau (talk) 05:13, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

The Leave Message button is fine.
The post on your talk page is auto-generated for any new contributor and auto-signed with the sig of the last admin to edit the wiki - in this case me. :)
As for the category, I have patched it up for you. It can be edited by clicking the edit button at the top of the image page. Once in edit mode, you can select / discard unwanted category names, as well as add new names. Also, please select a licence template when you upload an image to this wiki. "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:45, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Beerfest Trivia

What should I do for the Beerfest reference? Should it be a link to Beerfest. Kgk4569 (talk) 21:39, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

The first thing is to carefully research anything you write before publishing. The second thing is to make sure the trivia note complies with this wiki's trivia policy. If at some point you realise that what you were thinking of publishing is nothing more than a vacuous piece of nonsense, don't publish it. -- WarBlade (talk) 05:34, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Nine-Toes Interwiki

Nine-Toes page is protected, I wanted to add Interwiki link to RU page - [[ru:Девятипалый]]. MtMB (talk) 14:03, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

You don't mind, if I'll continue Interwiki theme here? Aries - [[ru:Дракула]]. MtMB (talk) 10:00, November 3, 2016 (UTC)
Link added. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 10:26, November 3, 2016 (UTC)


hey, I am a regular player of borderlands on the ps3, and thought I might make an account on this wikia considering my use of it for information.

i may as well ask if there are any rules or regulations etc. that i must follow before i get into editing, thank you.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:03, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Yes, we have various policies. Most can be found here. The style guide is out of date, but much of the rest should provide a decent guideline. Thanks for asking. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:13, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, i know now from when i tried to edit wikipedia to always ask before editing.
yours inubitably
Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:20, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

BLTPS grenades template

There's a BL2 grenades template that goes at bottom of the pages but that is not the case for BLTPS grenades. I've created one and added it to the Bouncing Bazza page. As you can see, common grenades are still missing but those can be added later on.

While making the template I've, by mistake, created a page with the same name. I see that you have already deleted that page, thanks.

Is it OK for me to add this template to the remaining BLTPS grenade pages?

Thanks.SirFoggy (talk) 20:47, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, go for it. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:13, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

About the starting weapons for playable characters

They all, with exception of those for the Baroness, are considered unique but share names with other non-unique weapons. One example would be Slick Delivery, starting weapon for the Enforcer, and Slick Delivery of the blue rarity.

Wilhelm's shotgun is a true unique weapon while the blue Delivery variants are not. Although they do share the same name that's pretty much all they have in common.  Wilhelm's shotgun always spawns with fixed parts and w/o scope or elemental capacitor. Regular blue Delivery may spawn with variety of options including, but not limited to, scope and/or elemental capacitor. Balance, barrel, and material used are different for these two weapons. I believe these two should be listed in different categories witin ShotgunsTPS template as well as having their own pages. This could be easily done by renaming the existing Delivery page to Delivery (Wilhelm) and creating Delivery (Blue) page for the regular one.

Similar thing has been done for number of starting weapons in BL2 (see: so why not for the BLTPS starting weapons. I don't mind putting the effort in creating those pages and disambiguation/redirecting pages where needed. I would do this for Delivery shotgun first, and then do the rest if you're happy with the result.

Please let me know.

SirFoggy (talk) 13:18, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please do not rename any pages. Items that are mainstream or primary items generally don't need clarifiers and therefore will not need to be be moved. eg. the Delivery must stay where it is. As for Wilhelm's Slick Delivery, sure, that sounds like something that could be "Slick Delivery (starting weapon)" or something to that effect, but it doesn't appear to have any naming conflict, so "Slick Delivery" is fine. Then it will need a disambiguation note in the head of the article to point to "Delivery" to account for the Slick version of the Delivery. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:47, October 16, 2016 (UTC)


i will be leaving for two weeks, during that time i plan to gain information for Nishas skills articles, then edit the articles when i arrive. Before i leave, i would appreciate any advice and/or notable reccomendations for making an article on the skills and skill trees.


yours indubitably.

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 23:58, October 16, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Roland Builds

If not Roland, then what?

a category was removed as "misnamed" - but this was old name used by Template:Roland_Build - what name would you suggest for it? D1g (talk) 15:03, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like I took that one down in a rush. Categories should be presented in accordance with the rest of the English standard here - lower case for common nouns. As for categorising builds generally, it's worth mentioning that I've always kept those a bit partitioned off from the main body of the category tree because they are user created content. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

About the Scavenger Beast

Every other type of Kragon has Startegy section on their respective pages but this one. Following those examples, I've briefly described the Scavenger Beast's behavior in combat only to have it reverted by you with explanation that "Mission strategy belongs on the mission page". I would agree with that if my edit was not about the the Scavenger Beast itself but about the mission it appears in. Why every other kragon can have Strategy section saying "it does this and that" but not this one?


SirFoggy (talk) 22:22, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

That goes back to the first game. At an early stage on this wiki we had strategy sections springing up on both character articles and mission articles about the same encounters, and aside from the redundancy there was also the problem that some of them were in direct conflict, contradicting one another. The problem started getting worse when key encounters were also getting strategies put into achievement articles. Add to that, encounters like General Knoxx included more complex considerations than just the central character. So we boiled it down, shifting the character strategies to just the mission articles where the conflicts can be contained in one place and the trash mob additions can also be documented appropriately. You probably will have noticed that this consideration is factored into the character template itself - when a mission is supplied under strategy, the strategy section is disabled.
The other kraggons aren't mission-specific so their strategies are on the character articles. The strategy for this particular kraggon should be a component part of a strategy section on the mission article. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:43, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt and informative reply, much appreciated.
SirFoggy (talk) 17:08, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Shugguraths and Rathyds

I was doing a bit of editing on both and wanted to add gallery to the Shuggurath page but then noticed it's done as character template page, or whatever the right name for it might be, in contrast to the Rathyd page which is more like a normal article page. Both can't be right, so which one is it? Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 03:44, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

The Rathyd article should be a faction article, like this for example. The individual rathyd types can have their own individual articles. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
That's what I though. Thing is, for Shugguraths Charater page template was used, not a faction article. Converting the page to a different format isn't much of a problem or a lot of work but I wouldn't like to do something like that with out asking first. SirFoggy (talk) 14:25, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

uploading audio files

hey, i recently managed to record some of kriegs quotes and convert them into OGG audio files, i am wondering how i can upload them to the wiki so i can place them on the krieg quotes page.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 02:36, December 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Question about Berrigan edits

Hi WarBlade,

I've made numerous update edits to some pre-sequel weapon pages in the past few days, as I've been doing some testing for veracity and hard numbers. You've made subsequent edits to most of them, which I'll admit upset me at first but after some thoUght I admit that most of them are reasonable cleanup edits.

However, I was surprised that you completely reverted my edits to the Berrigan without leaving any of my findings. I think that the fact that the Berrigan is significantly inferior to the Badaboom in nearly every way is worthy information for the wiki (since the weapons are so similar). So, I'd like to petition to have it in some form somewhere on the page. I can certainly understand relegating it to Notes or Trivia, but compared to your other edIts I was surprised that you reverted the Berrigan page with no trace of my information.

Thanks, and apologies for the tendency of some of my edits to include subjective commentary.

Sincerely, Amorra (talk) 07:59, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

Your edits to the usage and description content of the Berrigan were reverted because instead of being focussed specifically on the Berrigan, they were instead presenting a side-by-side comparison of two weapons, to the point where the Badaboom effectively had an equal share of the write up on an article that is supposed to be about the Berrigan. A better approach for the Berrigan article would be to just focus on how the Berrigan is used, and then in the notes maybe mention its shortcomings against the Badaboom.
I should elaborate on the former point. An article should ideally stand on its own. If you shape the information to be contingent on information presented in another article then you force the reader to review the other article to understand the comparison. We've had quite a few passages like that here in the past: "Item A is just like Item B, but has a larger magazine and inferior stability." The net result is that comparison bloat has had a negative effect on page content, so that's why it gets stripped out from time to time. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Question about use of Talk pages

Despite the fact that I left my Berrigan message only a few hours ago, something mostly-unrelated occurred to me.

On the Skyrim wikia, many users use the Talk page of an article as a place to post more "subjective" content, such as secrets, shortcuts, strategies, observations, etc. I was thinking about your (extensive) reversion of my edits to the Absolute Zero, and it occurred to me that in the style of the Skyrim wikia, that commentary--which I feel was legitimate and potentially helpful analysis--might be more at home in the Talk page than on the actual article. To be clear, I understand and in retrospect could even agree with your removal--after all, it was opinion-based, even if I reached my opinion through careful analysis.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if such use of the Talk page is acceptable in this wiki, and if not, if there's any place where it would be accepted. I personally enjoy reading such commentary presented by others, and I'd at least like to think that one or two people somewhere might like to read mine.

Thanks once again,

Amorra (talk)Amorra

Yeah, the Talk pages are ideal for commentary. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Spelling

I didn't perform my recent edit to the Kaneda's Laser page to alter spelling--I did it because there was a run-on sentence that was, frankly, quite cringe-worthy. I understand that you seem to be hopelessly obsessed with your preferred version of spelling, but I actually improved the article before you decided to revert it so that you could support your own culture. Everything isn't about you and your version of english, WarBlade..

EDIT: I will, however, happily do my best to try not to alter the spelling when I DO make valid edits. THis time, it was because I deleted the whole run-on and re-wrote the sentence from scratch, so of COURSE I spelled the words the way I learned them.


Amorra (talk) 02:28, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

I couldn't resist the drama, so I reviewed WarBlade's controversial reversion. Here's your "audience": lighten up, Francis. Your edit was nugatory. Nothing of value was lost in its reversion. Dämmerung 04:57, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
Oh, well in that case my bad. I would have thought that a generally well-kept and informative wiki wouldn't want to have cringeworthy run-on sentences all over the place, But I could certainly be mistaken. The previous instance where an edit I made was reverted because of spelling triggers was on the Cry Baby, where I added what I would consider valid and relevant information (Mystic prefix only costs 1 ammo per shot despite have 2 additional listed projectiles). While I'm sure you'll respond that the game/weapon are not exactly relevant to 98% of players, and thus my edit was "nugatory" (congratz on your college vocabulary), you can't deny that I made a valid and contributive edit, which was reverted solely because somebody doesn't like the way I was taught to spell words.
I'll definitely admit that my initial paragraph above is a bit hotheaded abd contains some needlessly infantile parts, but surely you can understand that I was taken aback to see a page reverted to having run-on sentences because it annoyed a moderator that I spelled a word differently than he would.
Amorra (talk) 06:07, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra
What you have described as a "bit hotheaded" is more like intentionally antagonistic. Please note that this wiki is a collaborative effort from many contributors of many nationalities. As such, we ask that you both be tolerant of various spelling standards, and that you don't try to troll anyone on talk pages.
You'll also find that wikis have a habit of attracting re-edits of your updates. Other contributors can, and will, change things mercilessly, sometimes even reverting updates entirely in cases where they veer away from the established standard or breach a policy. This is not something to get worked up over - it is simply a result of how articles get updated here. You will have to accept that when you publish content on the Borderlands Wiki. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:26, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Categories for Images

Quite a few images I've uploaded over the last few weeks, IMO, fall into the "Screenshots" category. They are not, per se, "Images of Areas" or such so "Screenshots" seemed to me as appropriate category. While adding some images, I've noticed that all images tagged as "Scrrenshots" are being re-directed to "Candidates for deletion" category. This is, to say the least, confusing as "Scrrenshots" is a valid category according to Help for Image Categories. What's more, some of the images I've uploaded have been deleted because "invalid category" was provided? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SirFoggy (talkcontribs)

"Screenshots" is not a category, and hasn't been since about 2010 when it was deprecated. Anything miscategorised as such may be deleted at any time. The most immediate instructions for any image upload are on the upload page itself which states "Category:Images" - following that link will take you to a listing of appropriate categories. -- WarBlade (talk) 17:23, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
"Screenshots" was listed as a valid category in the relevant help file untill yesterday when, according to the page history,  it was removed by you. Therefore all the files with that tag uploaded before 17:19, February 6, 2017 should NOT be deleted. I, just like any other new contributor don't - and should not - know about some internal or informal decisions or changes in the rules; that's why we have the official Help files which should be kept up-to-date. Which would be, IMO, much less work than deleting all those "miscategorised" uploads.
What's more, on  July 7, 2016 in your reply to QueenFrau'squestion you said that "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself." So why is that any different for screenshots taken by myself or any other contributor? I'll remind you, if I may, that was on July 7, 2016.
Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 22:12, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
  • Screenshots was inadvertently listed. The admin who added that to the help file was apparently reading off what other people had done and made a reactionary move, which in this case wound up being a mistake based on a couple of years of make-it-up-as-you-go problems (courtesy of the randomness of editors here).
  • The "Help" files are not necessarily up to date - there are still a couple of glaring problem ones. The one statement you were referring to was an oversight that has been there for years, and is now corrected.
  • The "screenshot" template that I was referring to in the discussion with QueenFrau is irrelevant to the categories used, which should be a subcategory of "Images", or just "Images" if a more appropriate subcategory is not available. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for making a fuss

A couple months ago. I sincerely hope that there are no hard feelings. It was a very stressful time in my life, and I was trying to contribute to something greater than just myself, even if it's merely a video game wiki. So, I became needlessly aggressive and defensive when some of my edits were revised and/or reversed. Sorry about that.

Amorra (talk) 05:03, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

No probs. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 05:06, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Advice/review of Load 'n' Splode

Hi Warblade,

Recently, I was trying to make a Claptrap build, and I noticed that many of the pages for his skills are in great disrepair--in this case, Load 'n' Splode specifically. It was missing the skill rank table and some info, so what I did is I copied the source code from a similar skill page (Zero's Headsh0t, which also has only a single stat bonus to list) and altered the relevant values to fit the new page. Since this (combined with the notes I added to the page) is the first major page overhaul I've done, I would be interested in having you look at it and, if there's anything I missed, point it out to me. In particular, despite replacing what I understood to be the page link part (of the source code) with the "Loose Cannon" class mod name, it did not succesfully link to a page, even though a page DOES exist for that COM. I do not understand why or what the issue is, and I'm interested to know. (provided you have time and are so inclined)

As a side note, I found myself (ironically) removing an assertion about how "best" to use a gun when clarifying and adding information to weapon descriptions last night, something I recall you having to do to my edits in the past.

EDIT: I also don't know how to make and link new pages, which is relevant because some Pre-Sequel skills and class mods do not have pages. Although I'm aware that tutorials exist, I'm apprehensive about trying to make them myself, as I'm quite worried I'd get confussed or mess it up. Thus, I'm not sure what to do about those.

In any case, happy editing! Amorra (talk) 23:47, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

The Loose Cannon link wasn't working because it was targetted to Loose Cannon (class mod) instead of just Loose Cannon. The "(class mod)" part would only be necessary if there was something else in the game also known as "Loose Cannon" in which case each Loose Cannon would have text in parenthesis to distinguish them from each other.
Re: side note, good call, but perhaps take a look at the text you wrote for the Company Man shotgun and ask yourself how relevant the Pullpup and Viral Marketer commentary is for an article specifically about the Company Man. ;)
About new pages and links, that will come with time. The tutorials should help a bit, but otherwise following a red link will take you to a blank page ready to edit. In such cases, it is best to check that the new page is being developed under the correct name - your red link to Loose Cannon (class mod) is a suitable case example of what not to follow to create a new page. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:17, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
Looking at it again, I do see what you mean about the Company Man; my rational was that the "meta" position of the weapon would be reasonable information, but the "meta" is inherently subjective, so the more I think about the more I see where you're coming from. Thanks for pointing that out! (also thanks for the explanation of the link :P ) -- Amorra (talk) 01:21, February 15, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

Lyuda page title issue (??)

For some reason, the Lyuda's page is titled "Lyudmila" and the intro blurb claims that it is "sometimes referred to as the Lyuda." I'm aware that the real-world sniper referenced by the gun was named Lyudmila, but I can assure you that the weapon itself, in the video game Borderlands 2, is called the LYUDA. It is not "referred to as" the 'Lyuda,' it IS the 'Lyuda," both on every weapon card you will ever see and in the very code of the game. I would also question the logic having the caption for the image on the ENGLISH wiki page be a russian phrase, but that's somewhat inconsequential.

I considered changing the title myself, but since that's a rather significan change, I wanted to ask you abut it first you and/or other mods about it first. If there is some legitimate reason for having the page titled Lyudmila despite that not being the name of the gun, I'm open to hearing it, but it seemed rather silly to me.

Amorra (talk) 01:00, February 27, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

There's a section called "Title?" on Talk:Lyudmila. Feel free to unravel the truth. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:58, February 27, 2017 (UTC)
Believe it or not, I actually DID look at the talk page, but after reading about half of the entire thing I got distracted >-> I've now read the whole thing.
So then on the xbox 1 SPECIFICALLY it's now the Lyudmila, while (as far as I can tell) even on xbox 360 it is still the White Death? This is some nonsense if I ever heard it xD
Since it appears that most players will see it as "Lyuda," and more importantly it is referred to in common parlance as simply "the Lyuda," I would still petition to have it changed; your response is vague enough that I remain unwilling to do it straightforth Amorra (talk) 11:58, February 28, 2017 (UTC)Amorra
Yeah, it's awkward. I recall seeing the change from Lyuda to Lyudmila and thinking at the time it looked like a minefield of disputed information. I let it slide seeing as it looked like a legitimate name update, but the usual wiki convention of using a more common name has me leaning back to Lyuda. I suggest discussing the matter with other gun article editors though. Someone might have more information that could be worth weighing in. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:19, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
SirFoggy seems to have decent evidence that at least 50% of the platforms BL2 is available on now display as "Lyudmila," and he also pointed out that the games files list the material and unique barrel as "Lyudmila." Mostly on the grounds of that last part, I've begrudgingly accepted the Lyudmila title. As someone who reads/watches a lot of Bl2 forums/videos, it grates on my brain (partial hyperbole), but SirFoggy has presented the facts (in the Lyud..mila... talk page), and they suppport the current title. Amorra (talk) 19:48, March 2, 2017 (UTC)Amorra
Okay, cool. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
I just want to add more here: when I was making edits in russian page for this weapon, around June 30 (which means game has latest patch), I farmed it to confirm the title and I've got "Lyuda" (I'm playing English version, PC), but it seems like in Russian version (which is "separate" game, with regional limitation in co-op play and edited-for-translation textures) the title wasn't properly updated and now instead of Russian "Maxim" it shows "Lyuda" too (screenshot, February 16).
MtMB (talk) 21:44, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Borderlands 2 mission flow reversion

Hi warblade. Wanted to ask why my edits on mission flow for borderlands 2 was reverted? Please advise.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaserstrife (talkcontribs)

Too many errors. I started trying to fix the mess you made, then gave up and rolled it back. If you would like to contribute to the Borderlands Wiki please keep to formal English, and try to be consistent with the existing content on this wiki, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:40, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
Attempt to respond #2: Sand box editing is bad form. Please stop immediately, especially with user talk pages. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:40, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Start of Page Header Test

Hey WarBlade!

The next stage of our Wiki Modernization project is to test the page and article headers, which you can read about here. We'll begin running this test on Thursday this week.

Like we said in the blog, here's what we'll be looking at in the test:

How do readers interact with the new headers? We'll look at the number of clicks on header links, as well as how many people use the new headers vs the old ones. What do editors think of the new design? We'll gather feedback and interaction data from you, ask follow-up questions, and do our best to understand your needs. We want a design that works well for everyone.

We want help from you and your community in figuring out if we got it right or what potential areas for improvement might be. Feel free to comment on both the reader and editor side of the header designs. We especially want to know what you think as an editor. Please leave any feedback for me here on this thread.

You are also welcome to share this information with your community, that way they are aware of the changes that have been made. Springteufel (talk) 20:27, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Problem creating pages

If I try to create a page for Suicide Psycho, notice "page Suicide Psycho already exists" pops out. And indeed, if I place mouse pointer on the "Suicide Psycho" part in the notice window it shows link.

If followed, that link leads to but w/o redirecting notice.

Looking at Psycho (borderlands 2) page code this should not be happening. Entries for Suicide Psycho, Slagged Psycho and Gravedigger look exactly the same. Why was I able to create pages for Chubby Midget, Gravedigger, Loot Midget Psycho and Slagged Psycho but not for Badass Psycho, Burning Psycho or Suicide Psycho? The only way to create them is to add (Borderlands 2) to the page name which should not be the case.

What or where is the problem here?   SirFoggy (talk) 04:08, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Staff are currently using the Borderlands Wiki as a test case for the placement and display of advertising, page headers, and more. You'll notice that the title is currently preceded by a collection of categories, and that has caused the omission of the the redirect notice. You can bypass this problem by adding ?redirect=no in the address bar of your browser to the end of the URL, eg.

Sorry for the confusion. On the bright side this provides some valuable feedback for the test. Thanks for that. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:07, March 24, 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply but I don't think this has anything to do with the changes being tested. Looking at edit history of the pages in question, it is easy to see why. For the Suicide Psycho page, back in April 2013, Razldazlchick replaced the existing content of the page with this line:
::#REDIRECT [[Psycho#Borderlands 2]]
In 2010, D1G did the same for Burning Psycho and Badass Psycho pages. And, I guess, those are not the only pages with hard-coded redirects.
As for the page title being preceded by a collection of categories ... IMO, that "feature" is entirely redundant as there's category template already present at bottom of the pages.
I generally do like the new page top header (or whatever the name for it might be) but there's one thing that but there's one minor thing I find ... lacking. If I go to page history, "Back to page" link at the top of the page is no longer there. Clicking "Back" in my browser is easy enough having "Back to page" link is more intuitive and user friendly and doesn't "cost" all that much.
Oh, and .. could you please delete Burning Psycho (Borderlands 2) and Badass Psycho (Borderlands 2) pages as they are  now redundant? Thanks.
SirFoggy (talk) 15:24, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Reverted Edits

Dear Warblade,

I modified the Fabled Tortoise page a few days back; my changes were reverted. Could you tell the reason? Is it about the content or about the style?


SuNo12113 (talk) 08:12, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

You may have noticed that there's a "clean up" tag at the top of the page citing the bloated Notes section as the reason for the tag. This means it is preferable to actually trim, or otherwise edit the content into a a more suitable article format, than to increase the problem in the problem area itself. Aside from that, reduced jump distances are fairly implicit where movement speed is altered, and the part about jump height where it "seems" to be affected is not really the direction that an authoritative information source should be taking. We advocate certainties rather than speculation. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:42, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
Insertion of facts is not exactly problematic, however, the new edit was rather lengthy. Just the fact that movement speed reduces jump distance is statement enough.
Note to Warblade: implicit information is not really the direction as well, imho
I have done some clean up of the page and incorporated a more concise edit.
P.S. I am unsure of the note "The shield's reduced health characteristic is removed from its item card, although the health penalty is nevertheless applied."
does that mean while equipped? I haven't played in a while. Final signature 00:58, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
Actually, the "insertion of facts" is very problematic in this case because most of the this excuse for an article is just a bloated Notes section. Notes are nothing but a collection of one-sentence additions to body content, and the page has no body. The tag at the top is there for a reason guys. Fix it, or leave it, but if this tweaking of the notes continues I'll just delete the entire page. -- WarBlade (talk) 14:01, May 3, 2017 (UTC)
Ahh, I just jumped on to maintain the Skins pages (as promised). I didn't have time to re-work the entire page. I figured it would help to be more precise on what EDIT: was there.
As far as deletion goes, that is up to you... you can always re-create the page when you get time. I, personally, would just delete the bits that don't fit the format for a reference in the re-creation process. There are a heap of facts on the page, it would be counter productive to destroy them entirely, imho (excuses aside). Final signature 09:52, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
Which is exactly the dilemma. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:00, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
If I get time, I will concentrate on that page. Any more that bad? You can list them here or on my talk.Final signature 20:22, May 5, 2017 (UTC)
First list of many! -- WarBlade (talk) 03:20, May 6, 2017 (UTC)
LoL, thanks... I mean sans-format. If you run into some, put them on my talk and I will check them out. Also, could you list the best formatted page (as a goal), when you run across a good example.
Either way, it will be a while. If you throw some on my talk (when you encounter some), it will help take research time out.
I recently received "Borderlands ruined my life" (or some such name) package that gave me all BL franchise games that I didn't own already for like $6. I plan to start again on BL1 for fun. P.S. Tell Tale is not really that good. Final signature 13:54, May 6, 2017 (UTC)

Confusion of deletion

Dear Warblade,

Hello. I am new to the editing and/or creation of articles. I have copied the notice to the article I tried to create. I don't understand at all why it was deleted. I understand it was a stub, I don't know how to apply notices like that. I ask that you state your intentions on deleting the page "The Change Of The Modes".

hopeful misunderstandings,

DoomBox12 (talk) 22:45, May 4, 2017 (UTC)

It was deleted primarily because it wasn't an article. It was also an empty placeholder, had a non-viable name, and as a concept resembled the kind of thing categories are used for. We already document the effects of game mode changes on relevant articles, so there is little to be gained from duplicating that information on another page. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:29, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Message understood. DoomBox12 (talk) 01:43, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

BL1 Location (areas) and Chest Location pages

There are two things I would like to discuss here: articles for the areas (locations) and Chest Location articles.

On the location page, Infobox image should either be of a panoramic view characteristic for the area or the area intro pic. Area intro pictures might not be as flashy but they would set a standard while avoiding potential my screenshot of the area is better kind of situation. Frost Bottom  page is an example of what I have in mind. At the same time, map of a location should be as clean as possible (not a simple screenshot), containing all the relevant info such as transition points, named locations (if any), location and type of weapon chests, etc. If done this way, just one map file can be used in multiple instances such as location article page, chests location page, and so on. Most of the existing map files are simple screenshots or contain incomplete and sometimes outdated or incorrect info.

Chest Location articles are another issue. There are simply way too many "maps" and slide-shows just to explain how to get to a chest. I would be willing to go through all the pages editing and correcting the info where needed or appropriate. This, unfortunately, would create quite a lot of "collateral damage" in terms of redundant images or those that are not really needed. Uploading a new and up-to-date version of a map replaces the original one in the article but leaves it as an orphaned file.

If we do go down this route, I could provide you with a complete list of files to be removed.

Oh, and all this is about Borderlands 1 although I see the same "problem" with BL2, BLTPS and the DLCs.

On a related note, I've uploaded some maps and made some mistakes while doing so. Could you please remove all but the most recent versions of and ?

Thought, ideas, rants and cold beer welcome :-)

SirFoggy (talk) 12:06, July 17, 2017 (UTC)

I actually like the unedited maps personally, although annotated maps also have some value. As for the chest locations, the zeal with which contributors continued the practice of implementing those after Borderlands illustrates just how much effort people were prepared to put into them - not a lot. I largely ignored them myself. Do you think it would be practical to integrate the information into location articles? -- WarBlade (talk) 12:19, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
Some location articles are already fairly large, almost to the point of being too large; Arid Badlands is a good example. Integrating chests info into already hefty page would make it overbloated if not unreadable. About the only way I see this being done, but not over-done, would be inclusion of Weapon Chests section with minimal textual info (something like "there's a total of X weapon chests in this location, Z of which are White chests, and Y Red Chests") complemented with a video guide.
SirFoggy (talk) 12:57, July 18, 2017 (UTC)
I think there will be enough detailed maps with the location of the chests in location articles. This maps can perfectly replace empty maps in locations articles. Detailed information and all media are more reasonable to render in the sub-article with the posting of link on it in the main article. Reason: it is unlikely that most players will play Borderlands 2/ Pre-Sequel only for the sake of finding chests. -- sega010 (talk) __:__ July 18, 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect categories added

I'va managed to add incorrect categories while adding categories to some of the Skill Tree pages, no idea how but I did. Could you please change those from Items in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel to Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel?

Thanks.  SirFoggy (talk) 22:39, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

I'm looking for a needle in a haystack it seems. You've done numerous edits to skill pages, and I haven't spotted which page is the one needing attention. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:35, August 4, 2017 (UTC)
ooops! Sorry about that. I see you took care of some of them already, here's the list of the reamining ones:
The Huntress
Cold Money
Contractual Aristocracy
Thanks.  SirFoggy (talk) 23:10, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Discussions + Other Things

Hi WarBlade,

It's been awhile since I last reached to you. I noticed you've been the most active bcrat these days and I'm unsure if you're still in contact with Dr. Clayton, among others.

I wanted to share a proposal/idea with you in regards to the Discussions feature.

In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here

If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. There is NO plans for discussions to replace Forum:Index.

Feel free to have an open discussion with your community about this, and I'm available for any questions you might have.

Also, since this community already has a FANDOM app, enabling discussions on this community will also add a huge feature to the app itself. Users on their phones can start threads, make posts, and discuss topics with desktop users and vice versa.

One last thing -- the game guides ad in the right rail is a bit dated. Would you mind if i updated it with the Borderlands app? I would use this imageand then incorporate apple/google download links below it.

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns!

Knakveey (talk) 19:09, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

"I noticed you've been the most active bcrat these days and I'm unsure if you're still in contact with Dr. Clayton, among others."
Yes, no problem contacting him. I'll notify him of your message.
Regarding Discussions, as a councilor I became aware of it early on although as someone who has had limited interest in chat and a dislike of article comments, I haven't really felt a strong pull to jump on board with yet another community communication feature. I've seen various features either discussed or pushed live, and to me article talk pages still provide the optimal communication platform for wiki content discussion.
I'm not against Discussions at all. I'm more inclined to just shrug and go along with what the community decides.
As for the right rail thing, I have no objection. --WarBlade (talk) 07:46, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

i can see how youd have shaky thoughts about contactin' olde doc fo'estor. clay hes an ornery cuss. but talking straight just for the moment here you, being staff, do not need the acquiescence of the wiki (or its administrators) to change anything. we all (those of us not living sublitho) can see the push for mobile. adding a discussions namspace to the wiki is something i dont see anyone having grounds to object to. the forums have been pushed into the shadows so long ago i am sure most users could not find forum namespace w/ a link embedded. it would seem only fair to replace it w/ (anything) discussions namespace (even though i disagree with your distinction that communities, users and fanatics are different things). and by all means change what you will in the game guides. that was not a borderlands wiki creation.

TL/DR + 1. sure 2. go mobile! 3. go go gadget app! 4. it aint ours ChemicalweaponThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn  •  Wordpress shovel   17:07, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Hello again!
I thank both of you for taking the time to write back to me to share your thoughts. I made some changes to the right rail and enabled discussions on the site/app. I wanted to share this link with you because it has some helpful tools if you want to customize/modify/moderate the discussions section.
You can now find the discussions page via the local nav/right rail, or simply
Hope you're enjoying the holidays,
Knakveey (talk) 23:34, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Skag Riders, Skag Rustlers, etc

Was going through these pages, and after double-checking the in-game names, confirmed that all these titles (names) are incorrect. Skag Rustler is type of a skag, not of a midget riding it; Midget Rustler is correct name for the rider. Skag Rider, and alike, should be in the Skag group, not the Midgets.

Most players will find this of little importance but to have the facts straight it should be corrected. Or, leave it as it is and make clear what is what in the description? --SirFoggy (talk) 18:30, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

I think it's fine as is. Names like "rider" would suggest the midget riding the skag, so if we try to move all those into the skag group we'll be setting up a big point of confusion and a magnet for edit wars. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:46, December 19, 2017 (UTC)
Thought so. When I find some time, I'll try and figure out a small note about the riders having their own name. --SirFoggy (talk) 18:51, December 20, 2017 (UTC)
I agree with WarBlade, 'Skag Rider' is the one who goes on a skag, and not vice versa. But I think it's necessary to make Note in the articles for the hotheads who consider it their duty to fill the articles with data from the game files. For example: "A Skag Rider in the game files is written as an enemy of the skag type, though...". -- Sega010 (talk) 21:20, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Edit war on 'Mad Moxxi'

Please thump heads, possibly including mine. Sorry for the holiday non-festivity. Dämmerung 19:59, December 31, 2017 (UTC)

ummm ok ?


ss 1



I made a post about some missing information. Bhmbhm (talk) 06:34, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

What missing information? -- WarBlade (talk) 06:49, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
I have a level 50 gunzurker, I am in normal mode, I got this after beating Master Gee the Invincible he was level 32. according to the chart below this does not exist at level 30 or in normal mode.
Ahab/Variant_Chart -- Bhmbhm (talk) 07:03, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
Okay... Well, I suggest trying out a few simple text edits to get the hang of wiki markup before trying to insert images. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:20, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome. Just playing through on PC for the first time (beat game on Xbox with Zer0) and just noting stuff down that I find in game on incomplete or stubby paged.

Pages locked for editing

While converting existing pages to Character template, I've came across these three which are locked and can not be converted: Slither, King Aracobb, and Crawmerax the Invincible. Could you please unlock them? Thanks. --SirFoggy (talk) 13:58, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Violation of Images policy

Hello. So, we have malicious policy violation here. The reason for the violation was voiced as "Hey this photo is mine". The warning of violation was ignored. Perhaps this is not the only "abandoned" image. -- 21:08, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Out of date ?

Hi I was looking at some pages and found the MINAC page looks like the voice clips are out of date and I don't have that dlc and even if I did I could not extract the lines as I don't play on PC. I wanted to point it out as it seems strange for it to have left on a page and I did not want to remove it as the codeing may be off and be repaired. 

GruffKibbles89 (talk) 13:18, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Voice clips? -- WarBlade (talk) 20:33, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

      Ya the page has 4 of them. Example:

"How do YOU like target practice? Huh? HUH?!"

  • Voice clip: "Oh yeah? Well how do YOU like target practice? Huh? HUH?!"

    GruffKibbles89 (talk) 11:42, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

I had to stare at those a bit to see your point. The page appears to document both the voice and text, and the "voice clip" parts look like situations where the dialogue and the accompanying text differ slightly. Are you suggesting that the text has been updated to match the voice actor's performance? -- WarBlade (talk) 03:19, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

     I don't know if it was a out of date voice clip code that is no longer supported by the wikia and wanted to bringn it to your attention so if it was out of date way for voice clips it could be corrected.

GruffKibbles89 (talk) 11:48, May 11, 2018 (UTC) 

Furious Vandal

Destruction of article by renaming and rewriting the contents of an article. User: AntelopeLoader. A variety of images of an undesirable nature have been downloaded. You need to roll back the corrections to restore the original article.
Thanks. -- Sega010 (talk) 11:49, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

File:ClNMC0lWQAAG nt.jpg



Thanks for the message, and I noticed your change to my first update and realised I hadn't actually checked style rules and so on so went through the policies (and then parts of your talk page where I saw you discussing them)

The concept made complete sense to me even before I'd read the policies as it's not uncommon to reference things from an 'In Character / World' vs player perspective, but I was too busy going "hey yeah yeah there's a tiny detail missing!".

I'll keep the wording and sentence strucure in mind for the future. Hope to help if there's more things I find.


Timegrinder (talk) 17:34, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, November 16, 2018 (UTC)

Thank u Warblade i have been wonding how long have u been playing borderlands 1 or 2 for?

I started back in 2009 with Borderlands, played Borderlands 2 and its expansions extensively, and played Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel. -- WarBlade (talk) 17:54, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Reply on edit to "Kaneda's Laser"

Ah ok, I'm not sure how similar or dissimilar the manga and film versions are, I just knew there was a manga to go with the film. If they are that different, then fair enoughJmiester14 (talk) 19:28, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

Lady Fist and The Bee

Hey WarBlade,

I was about to add a note to the Lady Fist page about its synergy with The Bee, but on the history page noticed that you removed such a note just a few months ago because "The Bee ramps up most weapons - no need to repeat on multiple weapon pages".

Thing is, the Lady Fist has insane synergy with the Bee way beyond any other weapon. On critical hits, a Jakobs sniper rifle will multiply amp damage by 5.6x, a Lady Fist by 18x. Gunzerking with two Lady Fists raises that to 34x--before adding slag and elemental multipliers which can further raise it way beyond.

This adds up to some of the most ridiculous damage in the game. According to my calculations, Critical Ascensi0n needs 107 stacks to reach 18x amp damage on crits--with the Lady Fist, any character gets that on first hit without any skills. I think that deserves a little note. I'd like to add one, but of course wanted to discuss it here to avoid deletion.

Likewise, I wanted to add crucial information on the Bee page regarding its interaction with crit and elemental multipliers, but that page is locked. It is mentioned on the Amp Shield page (well, elemental damage only since today as I just added it), but I think it shouldn't be necessary to look up related pages to find out about information that's so important for The Bee. One or two little notes should be useful for anyone looking up their Bee.

Is there any way to add a note there? Or can I send the source text for the note I was trying to add to you or someone else, for review and possible addition?

Best regards

Peacemon (talk) 13:50, February 2, 2019 (UTC)

We do not need to reopen the flood gate of information on how awesome that particular shield is when paired with the vast majority of weapons in the game. Trust me when I point out that what you describe as one or two notes is actually just the first couple of drops in a flood of hyperbole that quickly turns that article into a huge pile of junk. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:20, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

Hellfire v. HellFire

Why were all my changes on the HellFire page completely reverted? I don't see how HellFire is the correct name.

NaeRolls (talk) 21:53, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

Consider the reading the name card very carefully before deciding something is wrong. "HellFire" is the correct title of this item, and your careless change was creating a cascade of linking problems, never mind the breach in etiquette from not bothering to discuss such a sweeping change with anyone before actually pushing it through. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:59, February 12, 2019 (UTC)
SMG Maliwan Hellfire (Inspect View)
Thus, we have the correct article on the wiki with the wrong image in the infobox (image is attached). There is at least one video which is a fact confirming the change of the name of this weapon. Here is a link to this video, which was made in 2016: . -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 23:40, February 12, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, plenty to get to the bottom of (aside from the unnecessary image update in July 2017). This should be discussed. Is it a Borderlands 2 change, a Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel distinction, or an update covering both? Because right now the defining data is all on the variants subpage, and the information there might well be due for an extensive update. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:51, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
I am sure this is a revision update of the Borderlands 2. (Such changes took place with some weapons in the official Steam-version of the Borderlands 2 with Russian localization.) The video is proof. To check the fact of the name change, you must install and update the game through the Steam client, to the latest version. And take screenshots of this weapon. -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 15:26, February 13, 2019 (UTC).

Duplicate Image

Hi! I accidentally uploaded  the wrong photo and since I'm new have no clue how to delete it. :/ It's a duplicate of another, and I don't want to complicate anything! --Seating chart (talk) 23:27, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Only those with content moderator access or higher can delete files. I've done this for the extra image. Thanks for the heads up. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 23:46, March 13, 2019 (UTC)

Illegitimate Weapon/Item

here is a link to an illegitimate weapon.  pearlescents can't drop/spawn at level 69.  Please remove this misinformation.

Above is the link for the Aries Talk page.  Upon browsing thru other weapon categories, mainly Pearlescents, I've found more than a few instances of images being of gibbed level.  Any level 69 Pearlescent has been gibbed to reach that level as they cannot legitimately spawn in game at that level.  Just a heads up.  Avenger (Combat Rifle) talk page has some.  

Kurtdawg13 (talk) 01:04, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

Kurtdawg13 (talk) 21:13, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

Hey Warblade,
I know you're probably a busy guy, so Kurt and I can remove those illegitimate entries, but we wanted to run that by you first. Let us know and we'll get started. I've been helping Kurt with his uploads, which is why I'm replying here. --Gulfwulf (talk) 18:40, March 20, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, go for it. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 22:09, March 20, 2019 (UTC)

Borderlands 3

What information am I allowed to edit/add for the upcoming game? What I added so far is speculations from the trailer which was removed, while I see other speculations and unconfirmed information still on the wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JOHEEEN (talkcontribs)

Please don't add speculation. At the moment there is very little to go on, so not much is worth trying to document at this time. We have a few character names, a rough idea of playable characters, and not much else. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:04, March 30, 2019 (UTC)
I'm with WarBlade in that there really isn't enough actual information that's not speculation to document it. We should be getting more information, so I'd hold off until we receive that information and can reference the source(s) that are not fan theories. Fans have already been wrong about how the new siren looks; imagine how that would look if we included it here? I could see adding the trailer, but speculations should be limited to talk pages and not articles. --Gulfwulf (talk) 09:42, March 30, 2019 (UTC)


Hey there Badass Vault Hunter.

I'm a new vault hunter that was still fighting TVHM and is attempting to get to The Bunker and fight the BNK-3R, still stuck at Thousand Cuts.

Had a question here: Is that WKPQ guy a secondary account of an admin on this wiki, or he's just here to screw up, or I'm the one's screwing up? He undoes every edit I made and I think you might know an explanation (If you monitored the wiki recently) for this.

SUPER4geditTANK (talk) 15:37, March 30, 2019 (UTC)

That account has no admin privileges. I've seen many of these reverts you mention, and in most cases I support the revert. Take for example this one where you hypothesised what might happen if Madame Von Bartlesby were to evolve. There was an existing valid point and you appended a theory to it - a situation that does not happen in the game. Please note that on the Borderlands Wiki we document the content of the Borderlands games, and we do not document speculation of any kind. We also try to avoid subjectivity in articles. Does that make sense? -- WarBlade (talk) 21:20, March 30, 2019 (UTC)

Best practices for back-to-back edits

Hi WarBlade,

I have intentions to add variants of gear and weapons, such as the Hornet variant chart. What's best practice for adding multiple entries over a period of time?

  • Suppose I add a few entries today and in a couple of weeks I want to add more entries. I am the most recent editor of the page. Do I add another edit and my edit becomes another entry in the history?
    • What should I do if I make the most recent edits back-to-back? Ex: today an edit, two weeks later an edit, a third edit sometime later. Do I continue adding edits or revert to the first edit and make one large edit that includes the second and third edits?

Since I'm new here, I was testing to make sure I was doing OK. However, I have 3 edits back-to-back but would rather have one edit show as mine. I do not wish to clutter the history page so this is why I'm inquiring about best practices.

JumpingBamboo (talk) 19:09, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Seperations of weeks are fine if you have something important to add. Please note that the weapon variants are already comprehensive and may not need much updating to demonstrate the diversity of different guns. Some people have tried to push the "most powerful" in the past, and that's not really helpful for the wiki - there's a much stronger case for an even spread from low level gear to high. Also worth considering is if a page is alreay long, does it need to get any longer? -- WarBlade (talk) 19:47, March 31, 2019 (UTC)
Seems fair. I'll keep in mind the length of the article when considering adding variants. I figured a 10-level spread is pretty big, which is why I wanted to add entries. Perhaps a 5- or 4-level difference from one variant to the next is good enough. JumpingBamboo (talk) 19:58, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Borderlands Online

Hei. Just a question about the Polaris article. Was it redirected because it was too short, or since it's from the cancelled game and it would be non-conon, thus irrelevant? I could lengthen the page a bit, I have since found an image of their gun and a bit better company logo. There is also the Star Ship Eclipse stage that takes place on the Polaris starship, and two NPCs interact with the player there.--KillerZ (talk) 12:45, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

Everything about Borderlands Online is vapourware and can therefore be compiled on the one article. And yes, the Polaris article was way too short. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:11, April 3, 2019 (UTC)
Right. Thought that was the case. Thanks for explaining.--KillerZ (talk) 22:03, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

Main page

Hello, I'm working with/assisting some members of the Wikia Staff and they are currently interested in updating the main page with the information release about Borderlands 3. They want to keep the basic look of the wiki as it it, but they'd also like to use some introduction text to better suit SEO needs and introduce new users to the wiki. We've worked on some proposed changes that you can see here. Would you be ok with us enabling some of these changes? - Wagnike2 (talk) 20:10, April 4, 2019 (UTC)

I like the direction you're headed in. The main page has been getting quite cluttered with image-heavy linking for a while now, and while that was fine for the first game or two back in the day it definitely looks overdue for review in the here and now.
Theme-wise (and I acknowledge you point out a plan to retain the status quo) the other admins and I batted around a few comments in recent days where three of us indicated we like the white-on-black background text, but also weren't attached to the orange theming. A couple of the stray thoughts ventured were "we could benefit from bringing some bold reds and yellows to the design" (from me), and it "would be cool if we could get some kind of cell shading aesthetic" from MadCrayolaz. Re-working the theme is just a food for thought position at the moment though.
Lastly, my opinion does not represent the will of the majority. I'll relay this to the others and see what opinions result. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 04:54, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Let me know how your plans keep developing. - Wagnike2 (talk) 16:45, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
A few days down the track and the feedback I've seen suggests we are fine with moving forward with your proposed update. There was also one idea razldazlchick ventured about having a slider showcasing the various main games. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:00, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to see a brief background on the series and have a condensed navigational bar. As WarBlade previously mentioned a slider showcasing the different games would also be nice. Razldazlchick 04:19, April 9, 2019 (UTC)

Bad page and bad link

The link on this page -- User_blog:Dr._Clayton_Forrestor/hooray_for_the_Tales_quiz_reskin! -- creates a false or empty page, Tales_from_the_Borderlands_Quiz. In turn, this creates a false and empty image and a false link in Category:Borderlands_promotional_images. -- Thanks, Sega010 (talk) 13:56, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

All sorted. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:01, April 7, 2019 (UTC)


Hello, WarBlade, I'm Wolf964. I'm writing to you because I have been contributing to the Borderlands wiki and every time I make an edit that is part of the game it gets rejected. I found out who has been changing them. The user is Sega010. I understand the requirements to build a good wiki page. I just don't appreciate it when someone denies a good or acceptable edit. Please don't take this message the wrong way. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf964 (talkcontribs)

It may be that your edits might run counter to our policies on page style, or perhaps they are simply inferior to the previous version of the page for some reason. Whatever the reason, this is a wiki and when editing here you can only expect any update you make to be mercilessly adjusted by others who come after you. -- WarBlade (talk) 00:51, April 9, 2019 (UTC)


is there a reason why you removed the background of this npc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowryder (talkcontribs)

It was unsourced and the fragment sentence barely made sense to begin with. But for the most part, please ensure that you link to the trivia source when you make trivia notes. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:02, April 9, 2019 (UTC)

dietmar looks exactly like him,both germans, he talks exactly like him, he is known since the 80s for his wildlife documentaries and his whole behavior get the vh on camera during missions is all Werner Herzog. ? edit: directly source link is not used often, sample Fibbers reference to Pinocchio. It is unmistakable but no source link.

Snowryder (talk) 21:00, April 9, 2019 (UTC)Snowryder

Editing Requests

Nine-Toes. Insert new remastered image. -- Sega010 (talk) 20:16, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

Which reason ?

Why did you undo my edit? You don't need the page Ultimate Badass Varkid when it's not linked somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowryder (talkcontribs)

Aside from querying why the edit was reverted (which was basically just a result of of poor grammar on your part and removing the template), I'm not sure what you're asking here. Also, please sign your messages. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:48, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

I was asking why you undone my edit there. This is a result of you didn't wrote a summary in this changing and i was not able to answer it by myself.

Snowryder (talk) 11:11, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hawk Eye and The Bee

You removed a reference to the Bee on the Hawk Eye page; I think that, while most pages don't need that reference, it should be kept on pages for items which work especially well with it, like the Sandhawk, the Unkempt Harold, and the Hawk Eye.

Especially because the Hawkeye gets a substantially larger benefit from the shield than other guns do, and since the Hawkeye is almost universally inferior to other weapons when not using it.

You also reverted the page to one that incorrectly states that the Hawk Eye functions well with Zer0; that's explicitly false, as the gun works very poorly with zer0, and much better with virtually any other character.

DemiserofD (talk) 19:32, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Back in 2009 we had this problem with the Hellfire. A large percentage of the so-called "strategies" suggested equipping that one weapon, which to put it bluntly isn't a strategy - it's a shopping list. Then in 2012 along comes the Bee and suddenly everyone wants to plaster the Bee information on every other weapon article. The shield is useful - we can all see that - but highlighting that usefulness again and again repeatedly all over the wiki only ever served to detract from all those other articles where the subject was not the Bee. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:22, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Content Team Member


Name is Rel, I'm working as a Content Team Member, Fandom sent me (and another Team Member) here to help build out content that will happen in tomorrows livestream of the Borderlands 3 stream. So if you see the other Team Member or I edits/article creations, it's because of this.

Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Azgoodaz (talk) 23:37, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Joining forces with the Gamepedia Borderlands wiki

Hey WarBlade,

You probably know that there is another Borderlands Wiki over at Gamepedia, and perhaps you also know that Fandom and Gamepedia recently joined forces.

What do you think about combining the two wikis, so that visitors and editors have one place to go, instead of two competing wikis? In the very long run, the two platforms will become one anyway. This wiki here has more pages, is much more actively edited and ranks higher on Google, so we'd archive the Gamepedia wiki and redirect users from there to here. Any content they might have that you're still missing can be transferred over - we'd leave that for you to judge, since the community would know best what you could use from over at the other wiki, if anything.

We've put up a public debate at the other wiki so the active users there (if there are any) can weigh in on the decision. If they're okay with it and you are, too, then we'd love to merge the two wikis in about two weeks! Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 23:18, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mira,
After forwarding this to the other admins here there were no objections. The question was raised about the integration of the admins there, but both happypal and Nagamarky are already part of our admin team here (although happy hasn't been active in a long while), so I see no problem there either.
On a more personal note, I do like the theme there (currently a Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel background). I expect Borderlands 3 will present us with an opportunity to update our old rusty orange scheme and maybe make use of the bold primary colours we've become used to with the Borderlands series, so there's that to bat around as food for thought too. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:38, May 4, 2019 (UTC)
I like that idea! Let me know if Fandom can help in any way with your theme revamp :) Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 22:51, May 7, 2019 (UTC)

New Wiki Manager

I'm Tephra, the new Fandom Wiki Manager for the Borderlands Wiki. I am here to help the community and be your liaison to Fandom. If you need anything, feel free to contact me and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
◄► Tephra ◄► 19:26, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

Template Loops

I was looking through the Jakobs weapons in TPS and somehow caused a template loop from adding the Jakobs navbox for pages that didn't have it. Every page and navbox for weapons now have that loop, even on those that I haven't edited.

Is there a solution to this?

WKPQ (talk) 16:09, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

You can ignore my question if need be. The loop now seems to be fixed.

WKPQ (talk) 18:18, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

TPS Badaboom

Would the Badaboom in TPS warrant a separate page from the BL2 version? It's made by a different brand and has a different skin. WKPQ (talk) 16:12, May 21, 2019 (UTC)

I went and had a look at the variants subpage and was surprised that there don't appear to be any Pre-Sequel variants listed. If you have access to an example of the Pre-Sequel version, that would be a good start. Also, is the Pre-Sequel manufacturer "Scav" by any chance? -- WarBlade (talk) 12:39, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the manufacturer is Scav in TPS. I don't have a TPS version but I can make the main page for it. WKPQ (talk) 12:57, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
In that case, no, scav manufactured weapons are just the Pre-Sequel flipside of bandit weapons. But the variants page is still ideal for documenting the scav version. -- WarBlade (talk) 13:55, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
Ok & thanks. What are the guidelines for posting on the variant page and would gibbed BL2 & TPS weapons be allowed on variant pages? WKPQ (talk) 14:06, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
We have a good example of the Variant Chart page with the documentation of the TPS variants of weapons: Maggie/Variant Chart. -- Sega010 (talk) 16:23, May 22, 2019 (UTC)


The boombringer is an essential part of the borderlands 2 main quest and is much more than an immobile target. May I remind you that it is “Mortars prizes buzzard” (as according to the dialogue). This clearly proves it’s significance in the overall plot of the game and evidently requires its own page on the wiki.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sturg69 (talkcontribs)

Firstly, please sign your talk page edits. As far as Boombringer is concerned, mission objects are handled within the mission articles. There is no reason to make a page for something that can be adequately noted in three sentences or so. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:18, June 11, 2019 (UTC)

Old OP level items

Should we change all the old OP1-OP8 item levels in variant charts to 73-80? Torgue (talk) 16:27, June 14, 2019 (UTC)

I've put this to other admins and moderators with a high interest in the weapon articles than I have and so far the subject has been met with a bit of head-scratching. Nobody seems to be sure about what to do with the OP1-OP8 gear yet. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:59, June 29, 2019 (UTC)
Would it be acceptable to change the level to the current cap and place OP levels in parentheses? Ex: Old OP8 is changed to level "80 (OP8)" on the chart. This maintains the old OP standard while emphasizing the new level cap. -- JumpingBamboo (talk) 19:29, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

Uranus Loot

Hé WarBlade,

I'm a new contributor to this Wiki and I was wondering, since Uranus seems to have a massive loot pool, will mention of this be necessary on each of these items' (Badaboom, Conference Call, Emperor, etc. etc. etc.) pages? Currently doesn't seem to be there.

Also, will this massive loot pool need to be added to the Uranus page?


JanPaulV (talk) 11:23, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

It may well be justified on the Uranus article in the Notes section. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:59, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Effervescent category

I was trying to update weapons & gear tables with Effervescent category and items but, although everything looks OK in the edit mode, the whole category does not show up when changes are saved. Also, Infoboxes show Effervescent rarity as a plain text. Could you, or any other Mod/Admin on here, look into this? Thanks. --SirFoggy (talk) 17:17, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Infobox weapon2 was set up with a curiousity of sorts in the automatic generation of that category. It needs the weapon colour to be present for the rarity category to appear. I don't know why the template was structured like that - there might be some edge case that could break a number of pages if I strip out that requirement, so I've left it in place for the moment. But I've proposed to the other admins and content moderators that the term "Effervescent" could be used in the colour section, which was about the best colour substitute I could think of. Doing that will cause the effervescent category to appear when "Effervescent" is listed in "Rarity." -- WarBlade (talk) 20:59, June 29, 2019 (UTC)



I've been tasked to convert some of your non-portable infoboxes on your Wiki to portable ones. There are a few infoboxes with complex code that I'm trying to see if I can find someone who can convert them properly.

Just letting you know if you see deleted draft's, etc.

Have a good one. o7

-- Azgoodaz (talk) 17:50, June 22, 2019 (UTC)

Somehow, I just knew this subject would come back to bite me again before Borderlands 3. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:59, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

FL4K Gender

here's Fl4k's nonbinary pin on their jacket. not only is the binary code ruled out but the BG is also the nonbinary pride flag. no reason to delete their gender from the profile page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fazikku (talkcontribs)

This is something to mention on Talk:FL4K. I know the article has suffered some back and forth editing on FL4K's gender (or lack thereof), so please contribute to the discussion there so the community can reach a solid concensus. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:59, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Where to post ring pics?


Hey there!  I'd love to know where I should post to promote my Borderlands Cult of the Vault rings. I don't want to be rude and post all over someone's thread. I just want to share these if anyone wants one made. I love the game but I'm not a big online user or blogger so I thought it best to check first. 

Thank you for your responce.  Asbestosfriend (talk) 23:17, July 9, 2019 (UTC)Asbestosfriend

Definitely not on the Borderlands Wiki. For the most part self promotion, or using the wiki to advertise on, is against the Terms of Use. On the other hand, if this is a non-profit hobby you have some leeway to show off your work on your user page - just don't use your user page or blogs etc. to try and sell products. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:26, July 10, 2019 (UTC)

Can we test a new feature here on the wiki with your help?

Hey WarBlade,

I messaged you on Slack, but since I'm not sure you check there at all, I figured I'd contact you here on the wiki. Fandom is working on a new trivia quiz feature that you might have seen on a few other wikis already (like here on Game of Thrones or Star Wars).

So far, we have only tested this on TV and Movie communities, but not on any gaming communities, since wikis on videogames often function a bit differently and have more specific needs. We're now ready to test this on gaming communities as well, though. Would your community be open to trying this?

It would mean we enable the trivia quiz feature here for Discussions, and you or another admin, mod or knowledgeable user (or users) would put together a set of questions to turn into a quiz. We'd publish a couple of quizzes with that user's help and see how the Discussions community likes it, whether they see issues with it, etc. What do you think?

If you'd find it easier to discuss this on Discord, feel free to reach out to me there (Mira_Laime#9344) - and of course you can ping me in Slack! Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 18:32, July 12, 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Yeah, I tried Slack one time and promptly forgot about it. If you want to try quizzes, here I don't see anyone having a problem with it. That being said, I do recall how much traction polls got around this place, and after the novelty wore off people soon lost interest. The Discussions crowd might be more receptive to something like this though. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:07, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! We'll enable the feature later today. To kick off the test (and make users even aware there is something new), we'll have our Content Team members publish a few quizzes over the next few days, but any community member will be able and welcome to create them. Admins and mods can moderate them just like any other regular Discussions post - i.e. delete any that aren't appropriate or violate your guidelines.
During this test, we hope to figure out just how interested our users are in creating and taking quizzes. Polls have turned out to be hugely popular on some communities, and less so on others. The quiz feature is not yet fully developed, so we're hoping to get valuable feedback on what it still needs, what needs to be changed, etc. from the community. So if you or anyone else here has anything to say about this feature, let us know! You can respond to me here, or even just email Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 18:42, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
Aaaaand ... quizzes are live! Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 20:52, July 17, 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the BL3 category

I noticed you removed this category from a number of pages that I had it on, saying it's invalid. I'm confused. The text of the category, as with the one for BL2 and so on, say it's for all articles, categories, and images unique to the game. How were those pages I edited not covered under this? TWRAddictYT (talk) 03:38, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

As previously put to you on your talk page, the appropriate categories will be supplied by the character template. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:45, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
In regards to that template, is there a reason so much information is plugged into it? It's a pain to edit in any form other than source mode. Most wikis I've seen keep the template strictly for the infobox and keep the rest of the article separate. TWRAddictYT (talk) 03:52, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
It was devised as a means to keep some level of consistency from one article to the next. 2009 through 2012 were problematic for us on the wiki with people just throwing in whatever random bits of data (and categories) seemed appropriate at the time. Through adopting the full page template we managed to gain somewhat consistent layout, structure, categorisation, and more. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:02, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Your Nth Degree Edit

You undid my edit to The Nth Degree, and restored the incorrect information. I'm open to suggestions for how to proceed. The issue is, there's been a pervasive rumor that Nth Degree bullets regain full damage after first being reflected by Close Enough. IE, if the damage is 100, then after Close Enough that becomes 50. The page currently states that when it procs Nth Degree, it restores the Nth Degree bullet's damage back to 100. However, in reality, it does 50 damage, just like the Close Enough bullet did. That's why mentioning the rumor is important. If we simply remove the reference entirely, as we would otherwise do(since it doesn't actually exist), then people may come along and put it back.  But if you say it actually works the way it does, despite rumors to the contrary, people will not change it.

One way or another, the incorrect information needs to be fixed.

DemiserofD (talk) 19:53, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

My edit summary was clear enough. You started with, "Contrary to popular belief..." It doesn't matter what you posted after that. You instantly qualified your update for an immediate revert by documenting some ephemeral "popular belief" presumably from a portion of the player base. Now, if you have conflicting information to add, then by all means add it, or in the case of disputed information hash it out on the article's talk page. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:55, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

If you're going to change the formatting on something, change it, dude. But don't put back incorrect information because you dont like the way the correct info is written.

If you can't even handle something as basic as that, you really shouldn't be in a position of leadership. Put on your big boy pants and do your goddamn job.

DemiserofD (talk) 14:09, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

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