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:About new pages and links, that will come with time. The tutorials should help a bit, but otherwise following a red link will take you to a blank page ready to edit. In such cases, it is best to check that the new page is being developed under the correct name - your red link to '''Loose Cannon (class mod)''' is a suitable case example of what not to follow to create a new page. -- [[User:WarBlade|WarBlade]] ([[User talk:WarBlade|talk]]) 20:17, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
:About new pages and links, that will come with time. The tutorials should help a bit, but otherwise following a red link will take you to a blank page ready to edit. In such cases, it is best to check that the new page is being developed under the correct name - your red link to '''Loose Cannon (class mod)''' is a suitable case example of what not to follow to create a new page. -- [[User:WarBlade|WarBlade]] ([[User talk:WarBlade|talk]]) 20:17, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
:::Looking at it again, I do see what you mean about the Company Man; my rational was that the "meta" position of the weapon would be reasonable information, but the "meta" is inherently subjective, so the more I think about the more I see where you're coming from. Thanks for pointing that out! (also thanks for the explanation of the link :P ) -- [[User:Amorra|Amorra]] ([[User talk:Amorra|talk]]) 01:21, February 15, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

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Adding Images to Skill Tree Page

Hi Warblade, I just uploaded all the remaining icons for Nisha's skills, but I can't seem to figure out how to add them to her skill tree page (Nisha/Skill tree). Could you tell me how? Is there some sort of special procedure to do this? Thanks a lot.

Ablake (talk) 00:15, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well what I usually do is to click Edit then go to Source Editor. I can't say I understand what this "field collapsing" is exactly, since I also notice there's no line breaks between fields in several other pages. But fine. I'm done.

Ablake (talk) 03:22, September 4, 2015 (UTC)



So I've been editing this wiki recently and I noticed some things that I would like to fix myself but it seems better to discuss it first, only I don't know where to discuss it so I ask you.

Is it ok if I change the word "common" for "typical" or "regular" in all the manufacturers' infoboxes (borderlands 2) since common refers to white rarity only?

Also and most importantly, the infobox weapon2 has a redundancy. The fields "rarity" and "color" are the same thing, and it adds automatically the category creating an unnecesary duplicate category for some items (Category:Green with Category:Uncommon and Category:Orange with category:Legendary). I was thinking about just ignoring it and fixing the articles where this happens and the template's doc, but seems like fixing the template itself is a better option

By the way, isn't seraph supposed to go after legendary? As the game itself states it, when you buy from Crazy Earl, the pink follows the orange, ultimately cyan of course. I can also edit this while I'm in the infoboxes

--Damërung . -- 20:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC) 21:57, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Also, my signature does that

Can you refrain from playing with your signature on my user talk page please? -.-
With regards to the "Common" issue you'll have to start a blog and hammer out what to do with the masses here. As for the infobox, I'm inclined to agree. I've been puzzled by those entries in the past. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:16, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
Ok... But playing? No, every time I press the sign button or add the tildes it automatically does that. Shouldn't it by default just put your name and talk page in plain text when you don't have a signature subpage? If yes, looks to me like a bug with this wiki.
Actually, you know what? I just discovered that items that are unique but not orange nor higher fall into two distinct categories ("blue"/"purple"/"e-tech" with "unique"). So that second field is useful just for these items. I'm just gonna go ahead and simply improve the template's documentation as well as remove double categories from the non-just-unique articles.

Gaming footers

Hi, WarBlade!

I was wondering if you had an opinion on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love for the Borderlands community to be included!

Best regards,

Raylan13 (talk) 20:17, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Hook us up. I see you have this wiki listed down under Shooter. I think it fits RPG slightly more appropriately, but shooter is about the next best thing if there are space constraints.
Y'know, now that I think about it, are you involved with doing these for TV series / movies / books as well? I admin on three other other wikis that could benefit from footers like these. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
Consider Borderlands listed and approved! As for the other non-gaming footers, I don't know of any plans involving them for the time being, but I'll let you know if I hear anything ;) Raylan13 (talk) 22:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

More redundant stuff

The template Template:Character and Template:Infobox character are redundant but more than that, I think the first one is bad because it comprises the entire article wich feels wrong in its own, but it also makes editing more complicated, does not allow to include tables and there is no edit button for each section since they're not actually existant. This doesn't seem to be a big deal with smaller articles, but only those.

Also there seem to be redundant categories in some places like for example: Category:Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty and Category:Appears in Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty. What do you think of all this? - Damërung . -- 22:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Template:Character was implemented to prevent all the random additions and style changes that were springing up on character articles. Yes, it comprises the entire page, and that is by design. Template:Infobox character was the old one, and is now deprecated. As for the categories, they are not redundant - categories have frequently been misapplied, and that was another reason why the full page character template was introduced. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:45, September 28, 2015 (UTC)
Oh I see. However, I can't include tables while using that character template like for example the table in Creeper where the skin drops from that enemy are shown. Perhaps using the old one in those cases is ok? - Damërung . -- 11:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
There is no reason to comprehensively document skin drops on a character article, complete with tabulated data and images. Those are pick up items, in other words "another subject" and therefore belong on an appropriate item article. By all means, link to an associated article, but please do not try to document characters and skins on articles reserved for characters. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


I do not know who to tell, but I found a pressing issue. If you visit borderlands wikia pages (I tried it on the legendary page, home page, and several character pages) from a mobile device, in my case an iPhone, you are often (tried 10 times, got it 6 of them) given cookies by malicious adware sites including adking. Once given, whenever you click on a link anywhere, before it loads, one of several strange and likely malicious URL's will quickly flash in the address bar then go away after redirecting you to your origional destination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petra Arkanian (talkcontribs)

Hi Petra Arkanian,
Please use the Special:Contact form to submit a report for Wikia staff to review. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:25, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox format collapsing after adding images


I just came across the conversations you had with Ablake over skill info boxes and how their formatting would collapse when adding images, regardless of using the source editor or copy and pasting from the skill template itself. I just realized this has been happening to me as well after seeing the cleanup work you did to an article I edited earlier today. After some testing I came up with a cause and solution.

The issue stemmed from the user preferences in my account, specifically the ones for editing. The VisualEditor was selected as my preferred editor, which I changed to the source editor. After this change, adding an image to a skill infobox didn’t cause the formatting to collapse like it had been doing. Apparently, the mere act of having the VisualEditor on when initiating a page edit triggers the issue, even if the source editor is switched to for the actual editing. --Maniacal Mutton (talk) 22:30, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

That's an interesting observation. Thanks. I'm still puzzled about how the VisualEditor tags are appearing in page histories. Every one of Ablake's edits were tagged as VisualEditor, despite the assertion that source editing was used. Looking at your sandbox history today I see four edits tagged as VisualEditor edits, a further five apparently as source edits, then another from VisualEditor. Curiosity question: Is that an accurate portrayal of the editors used? Or were there any source edits (from switching to source from VisualEditor as the default) tagged as VisualEditor? -- WarBlade (talk) 00:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
The sandbox edits marked as source were done with the default set to source editor. However, I just tested the scenario where VisualEditor is the default editor, an edit is initiated, source edit is used to edit, and than the page is saved. It tagged this edit as having been done with the VisualEditor, since you cannot publish directly from the popup source window when the edit was started with VisualEditor. -- Maniacal Mutton (talk) 00:45, October 11, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought that might happen. Thanks again. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 09:21, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tables of skins

Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous? I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template. - Damërung -- 14:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

"Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous?"
Because you moved content outside of the page template.
"I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template."
Exactly. Those tables do not belong on those other articles either.
-- WarBlade (talk) 23:08, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Of course they belong there, they are relevant information to the article in question, why wouldn't they. - Damërung -- 03:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
You're referring to character heads / skins. These are pick up items, or consumables to put another label on them. Irrespective of where they drop from, they have no place being documented on a character article. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:39, October 17, 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I mean, why would they be irrelevant? We're not talking about money or eridium or health which are also consumable items, these are character customizations, an important part of the game and a few of them are obtained through a certain enemy only. Pictures improve an article and this is adding content. - Damërung -- 11:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so I'll add them. Unless you want to discuss it further. - Damërung 21:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I thought I was clear. Do NOT add them. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:53, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
You keep saying they don't belong there, but why? What is so terrible about that idea? We're talking about improving an article here. - Damërung 03:12, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious if the following would be acceptable:

  1. Adding a an anchor around the skin/head names in the individual "Skins" page (like Maya's), with <span id="ACryingShame">... or whatever.
  2. Then on the boss page itself, enumerating the specific skin/head drops via a usual text-based list, rather than the clunky table-with-graphics, something like: [[Maya/Skins#ACryingShame|Maya Head - A Crying Shame]]

That way the information about which specific skins a boss drops is still enumerated on their page, with a quick link to a graphic showing what it looks like, but it's not pulling in graphics and tables which aren't really necessary. Apocalyptech (talk) 19:40, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

I still think the images are better but this is better than nothing, seems to me like a good solution. - Damërung 00:25, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Need help

Hey, I was editing this page, but there are 2 spaces after the first instance of liason. I need help regarding that.


It's ok, the page is largely outdated at this time EDIT: AND THE ENTIRE PAGE NEEDS RE-WRITTEN since unregistered editors can no longer edit here due to HUGE amounts of vandalism. As far as I know, there are no active liaisons on this wiki. Although anyone really has the power to be one. Final signature.jpg 15:41, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

The page can sit as it is. Final signature.jpg 15:47, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Robot your talk page says that you are a liaison. Anyways I fixed that. {{SUBST:User:Utkar22/Sig|16:30,30-Oct-2015}} 16:30, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Why reversal of my changes on "The Machine"

I added that "The Machine" is a reference to the Team Fortress 2 weapon of the same name - which it clearly is, so why did you remove this instead of simply adding a trivia section for this weapon Kukicha (talk) 20:57, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Because six years of assertions masquerading as "trivia" on this wiki moved us to implement a strict trivia policy. In short, if the trivia policy gets ignored then the trivia update will probably be removed. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:33, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

Lootable Objects

Hello there,

am trying to update Lootable object page by adding pictures of BLTPS versions but image I'm adding somehow ends up in a wrong section. Not sure why is that, any help will be appreciated.

SirFoggy (talk) 16:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Racist Hotdog / Birthday Cat

Hello! I was going to add a page for Racist Hotdog and Birthday Cat, but I got to thinking that they probably didn't each merit their own page, since they're both just personae of Claptrap and are never encountered individually. So I was thinking of maybe just a "Claptrap Personae" page which would have both. And then I got to thinking that since they're sort of just Claptrap, maybe all they merit is a section on Claptrap's page itself. Anyway, let me know which of those you'd prefer (or if you'd prefer something else entirely) and I'll take a stab at it later. Thanks! Apocalyptech (talk) 21:59, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, thinking about it just a little more, it probably wouldn't make sense on Claptrap's page, 'cause they're first used by a totally different Claptrap unit, not Claptrap/Fragtrap itself. So just a "Claptrap Personae" page? Anyway... Apocalyptech (talk) 22:03, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more a "Personae" page might make the most sense. In File Search, Claptrap opens the Security door by pretending to be "Tiffany," and I seem to recall that there were a few other instances of similar assumed-identities-while-opening-doors elsewhere, though I can't recall them now. (Apologies for all the talking-to-self, btw) Apocalyptech (talk) 22:46, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Eh, in the end it probably does make more sense to just have them as separate pages, even though it's mostly duplicated information between the two. I've gone ahead and done that. Apocalyptech (talk) 16:26, November 24, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have that DLC. If you could refer the question to others who do, I could look in on the subject (and mediate if needed), but I try to avoid heavy involvement in subjects that I have no personal experience of. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, thanks! I'm pretty sure it makes the most sense the way I ended up doing it, so I think I'll probably just leave it that way, and if others disagree it can always be edited. Thanks for all the editorial work in general, btw - it's nice to have someone with your eye for detail looking things over! Apocalyptech (talk) 14:22, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Change to "Rarity link" template?

Hello! I'd like to make a change to the "Rarity link" template to support Glitch rarity a little better, but since that is a super-commonly-used template, I figure it should get approved by someone in charge. :)

The short summary is that "Glitch" itself can refer to an item rarity, to a class of enemies, and to an individual enemy itself, so the "Glitch" page itself should really be disambiguation. My proposed change would allow users to specify {{Rarity link|glitch}} to link directly to Glitch (rarity), instead of having to do something like: {{Rarity link|glitch|glitch|Glitch (rarity)}}, which is ugly and far less intuitive than any of the other rarity levels.

I've put up a template which does what I'd suggested here: User:Apocalyptech/Rarity link. I've also created a table showing its functionality (and a more in-depth discussion of my proposal) at User:Apocalyptech/Testing.

An alternative to editing the template like this is to just leave Glitch as a redirect to Glitch (rarity) and cope with not having a disambiguation page. I'd personally prefer changing the template, but I'd understand if you'd prefer not to.

Thanks in any case! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 06:57, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, well - if you've got no objections (or just plain don't care), I'll probably go ahead with this change soon. My testing indicates that the only behavior it changes is when "glitch" is specified, so IMO it's quite safe. Onward! Apocalyptech (talk) 20:38, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I did see this, but lost track of it bouncing between updates. Yeah, sounds fine. If the target article has moved to distinguish it from other subjects of the same name, then the templated link should be updated to match. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:58, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Groovy, thanks! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 14:41, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I did find one case where my updated template breaks existing content; namely when it's used via the Template:Challenge skin template (and perhaps elsewhere). When the template sees a link like ":Category:CategoryName", because it's being seen inside a #switch statement, it interprets it as if it were the beginning of a line, so the leading colon for the category link is interpreted as an indent statement (which breaks the linking). You can see that on the Challenge page in the Borderlands 2 section; various numbers in that table are supposed to be linking to Category:Skins but aren't 'cause of the weirdness. I'm looking into solutions; if I don't find anything in a bit I'll revert my changes to the Rarity link template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:12, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, all better. The behavior doesn't seem to be changeable (at least that I'd found), but if I move the link brackets inside each #switch case, it at least takes care of the indent/colon issue, so I'm happy enough with that, even though it technically adds a bit of duplication in the template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:48, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Where to do "Sandbox" style edits?

So I'm curious where is appropriate to do a concerted amount of work on a specific page? I'd just doublechecked, and edits to my own User:Apocalyptech/Sandbox page (assuming that's what you mean) still show up in the "Wiki Activity" log... Is that better than doing a series of edits, even though the edit history looks the same? Or were you just talking about the "history" on a single page itself, not the activity log?

On a more philosophical note, I suppose I'm still a bit unsure as to why incremental edits like the ones I've done today would be a bad thing. I looked over the history for today and there's only one edit in there that I'd personally consider somewhat frivolous - when I'd needed to correct a broken link that I should've caught during Preview. The others were basically just a combination of fixing problems/omissions as I happened to notice them, and adding in the new page content that I'd been adding. I suppose I tend to come from a school of thought that incremental changes are much preferred to wide, sweeping changes, so it's an adjustment. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 22:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Your personal user space is your own to tinker with as you see fit, but main space articles are collaborative, and updating them with a multitude of small edits can cause unnecessary bloat for other contributors to sift through. It can also be a problem for editors trying to update pages when someone is publishing test edits, and causing edit conflicts as a result. One edit is good, several to correct oversights / mistakes are acceptable, but you ran the count to fourteen. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:51, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
Noted, though IMO fourteen edits over six hours is hardly excessive. I also wouldn't classify anything I was doing as "testing," and the chances of anyone else doing work on that page seemed minimal at best (and I always have a tab open on the self-refreshing Activity page while I'm working, specifically in case someone else ends up wanting to edit the same page I'm working on). Still, I shall certainly attempt to keep serial edits to a minimum. Apologies again for the spam! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 23:52, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, hm, this will doubtless come off sounding like some kind of ragequit-like thing, but it's honestly not intended to be that. Mostly I just wanted to suggest that in the future, if someone comes to the wiki willing to spend hours adding content, collecting and uploading images, and generally filling things out, it's maybe not a great idea to block them from editing a page for the "totally inappropriate" crime of averaging one edit every 25 minutes on a page that's being actively worked on.

I'd had some pretty grand plans to continue filling out Pre-Sequel content, and I've still got 59 already-cropped images sitting in a dir on my HD which'd otherwise already be uploaded and sitting on tons of new pages by now. In the end, though, getting locked out of a page I'd been happily working on for hours gave me a pretty strong disinclination to continue editing, and it was pretty easy to decide to spend my idle time doing other stuff. I may certainly end up back at some point if my Pre-Sequel activity returns (I was pretty much done playing TPS when I'd gone crazy with the editing)... It seems like with a frivolous activity like adding content to a video game wiki, throwing up needless barriers to willing contributors is perhaps not the best policy. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 18:15, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

I've spent a lot of time on wikis learning that "willing contributors" are not necessarily the same thing as "productive contributors." Wikis are collaborative efforts to maintain and it is therefore beneficial to make updates with as much consideration for fellow contributors as possible - editing on the small scale, piecemeal, runs counter to that goal. I've also found that while some people disappear after a warning or block, others resolve to adjust their behaviour, and those are often the ones that make some of the best editors further down the track. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
Heh, well. If you really do consider that six-hour editing session "small scale," piecemeal, totally inappropriate, and somehow harmful to the hypothetical editors who might have in some alternate universe been attempting to edit those pages at the same time as me, then we definitely do have a pretty wide philosophical schism here. If you're unwilling to incur a "cost" of having one edit every 25 minutes or so, on an index-like page which now links to 23 new pages which hadn't existed before that six-hour editing block, then we probably just don't have much common ground. Alas! Anyway, good luck with the rest of the wiki; I seem destined to be one of those who just disappears, it seems. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 05:57, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Animal Rescue: Food

Animal Rescue food: the info is wrong - you do not shoot scags to get the tougues - they are hanging in the NW side of town.

After the frist round is done the mounted dcags are where you get the tongues, they do not drop off reg skags.

I know the edit was messy but the info is wrong.

Nivekinks (talk) 06:45, January 11, 2016 (UTC)Nivek

You appear to be referring to the second stage of Animal Rescue: Medicine, which involves finding five pieces of food on racks up around Gunslinger's Corner. Please research carefully before updating articles, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:13, January 11, 2016 (UTC)
Listen - the first part is get medicine
The second part is get the tongued - they are on the cart
the Third part is get more tongues and they are dropped from the armoured skags - NOT the three on the way to the elevevator.
I just did the quests - so how about you do some research ? Jesus whats the point of a wiki if its wrong.
Nivekinks (talk)
Firstly, do not wipe talk page content from another user's talk page - the fact that you did this (after a testy response restored above) has resulted in a short three day block, and hopefully that is sufficient to give you time to simmer down. Maintaining the content of user talk pages is the prerogative of that user, not you. Secondly, if you find incorrect information on the wiki, it is fine to update it, but all updates must be carefully researched - any double-checking is appreciated. Any further disputes or disagreements must be taken to the article talk page.
The Borderlands Wiki also strives to present information in the third person perspective, so addressing your reader on mainspace articles will result in reverted edits. Similarly, we dropped the use of the word "quest" in 2009 in favour of the word "mission" seeing as that is the what the games themselves have displayed on the user interface. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:28, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Page moves

Sure no problem (in response). I have made several moves, all of them with good reason except that last one. I guess I must have confused it with a skill article. My bad, I also did changes regarding the links between the articles after the renaming, don't worry I'll go ahead and revert those.

On another note, some articles like Shield and Sniper Rifle are conflicting with specific items that are called like that (Shield (Tediore) and Sniper Rifle (Title)), I forgot the Sniper one, but I did renamed the shield which you already reversed. Don't you think those should be disambiguations as well? - Damërung 21:29, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

No, those are primary item types, and therefore are common search terms, with hundreds of articles linking to them. They need to stay put. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:18, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah good point. - Damërung 09:00, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I will move the pages Invader (sniper rifle) to Invader (Borderlands, sniper rifle) because there are actually 2 sniper rifles, one of which is from Borderlands 2 making the disambiguation title inacurate. The second disambiguaton annex, because there is a third weapon also called invader, from Borderlands too which I'll change to Invader (Borderlands, pistol). I think this follows the guidelines, an example of this already happens with MIRV grenades here and here. Unless I missed something, what do you think? - Damërung 00:24, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

My request to you was simple: If you think a page should be moved, request a page move, but do not move the page. Then you carried on moving pages anyway, hence why you are now blocked. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Reverting Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox

Why did you revert changes on Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox? No information was lost in the new version, valuable information was added, and the entire thing was massively cleaned up for easier navigation, rather than having a tutorial explained in mouseover tooltips for images. Degrelescence (talk) 05:28, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Aside from putting a slider gallery in the page (please don't do that again), you also killed your entire update by defying the policy on maintaining third person perspective. Addressing your reader directly is automatic grounds for a revert. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:56, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
Actually your Borderlands Wiki:Manual of Style says nothing about addressing the reader, and actually shows several examples of addressing the reader, as fine. What it says is that referring to the author is a no, no. Which I didn't do. See the writing section. That said, I agree that in universe writing is common but changing the one "you" to "vault hunter" would have taken almost no effort on your part. Second, I shouldn't be here, asking for your explanation of the revert, as you should always explain your actions. "Editors have been working on this wiki for years and to not give reason for editing at this stage is simply rude" (first paragraph of the manual of style). Finally, you really think 6x pictures and subtext is better than bulleted explanation and 2x pictures?
"Images: Images make an article memorable and pretty. They can speak where words fail. At the same time, misplaced or untidy images can detract from an article. When choosing images, keep in mind placement, size, and the appropriateness of the image to the section. Let images flow with the text instead of break it up. [...] Galleries: When an article has many images, or can be improved by having more, and having inline images be detract from the readbility of an articles, the use of a gallery section is encouraged." Degrelescence (talk) 19:39, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
The Manual of Style is out of date, and the Style Guide slightly less so. As for suggesting I should clean up after you, maybe, sometimes on small clean up jobs, but you'll have to appreciate (given the length of time it has taken me to reply) that I don't necessarily have the time to pick through and adjust everything to the established standard here. The gallery style for those Easter egg hunt achievements is currently two-column graphic and map, with a blurb covering the location. If that is to change we will have to embark on a wiki-wide project, and if you want to do that you will have to campaign for it and get a clear consensus. Please do not attempt to overhaul a large chunk of the wiki again without discussing the matter with the community here first. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:49, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
I would respond, at length, to all the ridiculous in that reply, but it doesn't matter. Here is all it comes down to: you were a dick for no reason. Simply stating that you use a particular format for those kinds of pages would have been a start and end to the conversation. Instead you decided to lie, belittle, and insult, like a child. I won't change the page, because I can respect that there is more than one collection challenge and maintaining consistent formatting should be the priority but you should really reconsider how you talk to people. Your entire talk page, top to bottom, is evidence that I am not the only one. Degrelescence (talk) 14:02, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Determinate State

Before Tales from the borderlands, there were characters with determinate state? —Preceding unsigned comment added by mc2411 (talkcontribs)

I'd never encountered the term prior to Tales of the Borderlands. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:20, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Uploading heads and skins

Sorry to bother you, Warblade, but how do I add missing heads and skins to the different VH's pages? For example, Maya is missing a few of hers, but I can't add them. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 00:20, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Special:Upload is the tool to use. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:02, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 16:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Battleborn Invite

Hello WarBlade! I just wanted to let you know I sent you an email about a Battleborn opportunity. I'd love to hear from you, so let me know if you have a different email I should use than the one you used to register your Wikia account.

Thanks! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 23:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to decline. I just looked at a couple of trailers for Battleborn, and to be honest they didn't spark my interest. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:12, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


1st of all, I can't edit anything on the Wikia, for some reason... Can you help me out? plz?

Thanks,ZeusGamer101 (talk) 11:45, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Leaving a message on my talk page qualifies as an edit... Were you trying to edit a protected page? -- WarBlade (talk) 02:47, March 27, 2016 (UTC)


Hey Warblade, I think SparkofLeaves ' account was hacked because they changed a lot of the sniper rifle pages for BL 1 from repeater to pump-action. As far as I know, only shotguns are pump-action. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 03:29, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

They're just making nomenclature consistent. Please review Sniper Rifle. Dämmerung 03:34, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
The term is bolt-action, not pump-action, so I think that page needs to be updated as well.
Gulfwulf (talk) 18:23, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
Review the animation of the weapons in question. There is no bolt, hence, these are not bolt-acton rifles. These are weapons in a fictional universe. Dämmerung 18:25, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I'll load up the game later on and check them out, but pump-action just seems a strange way to describe a sniper rifle. Anyway, I've reverted all of my changes and want to appologize to Sparky if they read this.
Gulfwulf (talk) 18:31, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I hear you. I called them "manual-action" rifles on the parts page for just that reason. Dämmerung 18:41, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

the End-User Created Content page

Hi, I left a message on User talk:Dr. Clayton Forrestor and thought I should probably link it to the other admin as well you might know anything useful on the situation too? (I thought about copypasting it but it's probably best to keep the conversation on one page) --kittenofdoom (talk) 12:29, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 19:40, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Jet Fighter Image

Thanks for adding the info box on the Jet Fighter page. You wouldn't happen to be able to grab a screen shot of one, would you?  I play on 360, so anything I could generate would be... yeah.  I did try searching the images already uploaded, but couldn't find one to link to.

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 01:09, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

I think I have several jet fighter screenies - I have quite a big archive to draw from. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:51, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Why I stopped contributing here

I was just going to do nothing but I came back to post here because I should at least say something, even if it's ignored

I decided a few days ago to stop contributing here, after I had been pretty active (I had enthusiasm because I like the characters and story with this game, and.. I'm not Australian but after I read about 2K Australia being closed by 2K acting like a greedy corporate parent because they didn't want to pay their employees the Australian cost of living etc, was really sad, so I wanted to make sure that stuff gets memorialised).

You deleted screenshots for an article that I had spent a while making, uploading and tagging - even though they didn't break any rules (4 from different angles and 1 in a different pose - so that there's an encyclopaedic record of what stuff looked like even if different computers can't play it in future years - and the 2 animated gifs showed the intro and the character's movement in a way a static picture can't[1][2][3])

Just deleted without any kind of discussion or talking, just summarily and authoritarian-like... I stopped editing wikis a long time ago because of this kind of behaviour from people given admin powers on the internet before, it seems to nearly always go to their heads (and I looked at your userpage and realise that you are not one of those "teenage admins" where the cliché comes from but that just makes it more disappointing really), and unlike people like paid community representatives and such who are hired for their social skills, experience with helping others, talking to people etc, it's usually based on whatever things people contribute on a technical level instead, I'm reminded of this article #5 and #4, but yeah that stuff applies to all wikis not just you personally, and I am too disillusioned with all that to write more...

I looked through things and looks like Dr Forrester wrote this years ago Borderlands Wiki:Greeter/Liaison policy#Guidelines_for_new_authors, it's nice and reads that someone had genuine good intentions, it's thoughtful, it's a shame though that it's not in practice though

This could probably be better worded and might just make you angry or whatever, but I don't know what else to say, now I can feel I at least said something anyway --kittenofdoom (talk) 13:29, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

I deleted redundancy. There is no reason to make a gallery with three different versions of basically the same shot (one distinction being a slight baring of teeth because the character was talking), and we really only have character galleries for the playable characters anyway - the character template itself indicates that by not including a gallery field. And please do not upload animated gifs for galleries. As for providing an explanation, the update summaries only provide room for a few words, certainly not a paragraph like this one here. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:05, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
Redundancy doesn't work in the long run in many cases.
Redundant deletions may be constructive if there no meaningful difference between versions.
Similar how you add something obviously missing, you may trim down something obviously duplicate.
There also nothing special about admins, we can all make mistakes.
Please see User_talk:Kittenofdoom#Don.27t_be_upset_about_your_removed_content D1g (talk) 16:18, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Enemies Template for Pre-Sequel?

In comparing the BL2 and TPS character pages, I noticed that there's an Enemies template (Enemies of Pandora).  Unless I'm missing something, there's no Elpis/Helios equivalent?  If I just missed it, please point it out!  If it doesn't exist, any chance of adding one?  --Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:18, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and on the subject of templates...

Any idea why the image upload tool is transposing the height and width of the image in the meta data?  Is there any way to fix this?  Uploaded image for the Turret info box which was cropped from a full screen shot using Photoshop CS3, but it's not showing properly.  Any clues on this would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:36, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

A Crazy Idea...

Just a suggestion but, if you don't feel that what someone has done fits with the site's requirements, how about employing a little constructive engagement?  Let them know what the issue is, and give them a chance to fix it, rather than just nuking everything from orbit.  You never know: it might actually result in more completed pages...

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 00:25, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

I have spent six years letting people know what the issues are, and still I find myself asked for the same explanations - explanations which cannot fit in update summaries. Please note that you are publishing content on a wiki. Here we ask that you keep to third person perspective (no addressing your reader). Also note we generally don't play host to step-by-step instructions, which are largely superfluous given that the Borderlands games themselves give players the prompts on where to go and what to do. It's the "how" to do things that makes for interesting reading. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:31, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Bandits versus Bandit in manufacture name

Hey Warblade,

I see you've reverted the change to the Pun-chee and I was wondering why. The manufacture of the Pun-chee is "Bandit", not "bandits" as stated on the item card. Sure bandits may make them, but I think it's a bit confusing because the card says "Bandit", which is the same as the other manufactures like Torgue, Tediore, etc. Thanks.

Damn it, forgot to sign. --Gulfwulf (talk) 07:10, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

It only confuses if you take a very literal interpretation of the word on the item card and ignore the meaning of that word. Torgue and Tediore are examples of big manufacturing businesses - they have company brand names. "Bandit" and "scav" weapons by contrast are simply cobbled together by certain denizens of Pandora and Elpis respectively. And those groups are rightly common nouns. Those factions apparently do not maintain large weapon factories with a brand name named after them, so it would be inappropriate to treat those weapons in exactly the same context as the branded guns of the corporate giants, branded with the title of a proper noun. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:25, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


There were a lot of choices and it was difficult to try and think of all our communities... *gulp*

Thanks for reading it :)

Knakveey (talk) 20:05, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Text wrapper templates

Heya :) Thanks for being interested in the template classification project. Due to various constraints, there are going to be some templates, like {{O2}}, which just don't fit easily into any of our classes. And you may find that for these more unusual templates, advice will vary from staff member to staff member — or even will change over time, should we add (or change the nature of) the classes.
As of right now, having consulted our engineering team, I'd say you'd be best off changing the class to "Design". Though this class is mainly for templates that affect the layout of whole pages, I think we can safely stretch its meaning to be something that affects the design of a part of a page — even a small one. — CzechOut 19:40, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes

Hello! I'm Isaac, and I'm representing Wikia's Vanguard and Community Technical teams. We help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified Borderlands Wiki as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop infoboxes in global CSS, and work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple.

If I can do this successfully for some of your most commonly used Infoboxes, can we work together to do all of them? We'd really like to get working on your community, but we need your go-ahead. Also, if you have any questions, or this is the wrong venue for this kind of a discussion, please let me know. Thanks! FishTank (wall) 09:11, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

So I sigh to myself and check the side by side comparison, and this time I'm pleasantly surprised. Okay, based on previous issues we've had with portable infoboxes I'm going to throw a particular requirement out there: we need a problem-free, functional demonstration version, not called by an existing mainspace page, to review (and tweak if necessary) before pushing it to live articles. The test version called in my subpage linked above may be a suitable candidate. That design is also visible on skill pages calling Template:Infobox skill, which I've left intact for the moment (it was less problematic than the mission infobox). Then it can become a community decision - we can put up another blog for users to comment on.
Now for the feedback. On my test page the infobox has a wonderfully ugly brown stripe for True Vault Hunter Mode that nobody wants - this was just a subheading under "Rewards" triggered by a parser in the event that rewards were supplied for the higher game difficulty level. Other than that little detail, the old infoboxes were horrendously ugly to start with, so in terms of styling I think it's safe to say we can be quite flexible - see borderlandsthegame.com for a garish red and yellow, with thick black lines, style for ideas. The existing orange and grey palette was fine, but I think the dark mustard tone brought in on the initial attempt with portable infoboxes was a step in the wrong direction personally.
Has there been some more work done on the word wrap issues recently? I see text being presented appropriately now, and without a smorgasbord of hyphens. It looks good. That was one of the old problems we had: boxes for concise information bites needed to account for titles like The Horrible Hunger of the Ravenous Wattle Gobbler, and Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel is better off without any added hyphens. I'm really pleased with the way the text is looking in the portable infobox now. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:38, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

if it doesnt wreck the browser version of the wiki then:


Dr. FThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn.png  •  Wordpress shovel.png   11:01, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

I'm pleased that you like those. My drafts are not yet done (as there was an unexpected issue I discovered with implementation this morning), but are close: Template:Infobox_weapon2/Draft and Template:Infobox_mission/Draft. Those are the only two I've done so far. I was hoping to have a live demonstration available that was CSS complete (the problem is contingent on rarity in Weapon2). I fully intend to have a problem-free functional demo as soon as Engineering works out this kink. We shoot for pixel-perfect replicas unless there's room for improvement with native functions, or you elect to make a change. I'll admit: we've made great strides in the look of PIs. Probably the easiest way to see the differences is to add /Draft to the template call in an article and preview it. The brown stripe was easily fixed once you pointed it out. I'm not sure what was up with the hyphenation / wrap before, but that may have had to do with over-padding. So, can I keep working at the drafts? Shouldn't interfere with anything you have in production. FishTank (wall) 11:27, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

i do not bleve we need worry about whats in production. the franchise is between games and the dev is working on battleborn so the admins and userbase of this wiki are more focused on spell checking and fact checking at this time. i do not have a problem w/ this implementation provided it neither breaks the wiki nor causes unannounced re-editing of articles to accommodate a feature that was not requested by the userbase. i realize that wikia is all about the mobile, i do. please keep in mind that ppl have poured time and energy into this wiki long b4 the mobile push. these ppl, myself included, will be nonplussed to see their efforts torn asunder by non community members. play nice, share your toys. Njoy! Dr. FThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn.png  •  Wordpress shovel.png   00:50, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

That's easily addressed. I have no intention of changing your article text or any of the parameters in the Infobox. That should all be a seamless drop-in replacement. (Even if mass-editing needed to happen, I'd bot edit it with your approval.) By "in production", I meant the live copy of Borderlands Wiki as opposed to a sandbox or test wiki. For what it's worth, neither Wikia nor portability is "all about the mobile". It's a factor, and it's a large part of traffic, but the benefits go beyond that. Especially with game communities, players tend to access the wiki from whatever device / platform is available; that can be anything from a phone to a game console to a smartwatch (and eventually the HUDs of VR viewers, which will doubtless be a method of play for the next Borderlands game). We want to make sure that your content works on all of those, too. FishTank (wall) 02:41, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Two variants, for consideration:

Since you said that there was some flexibility in what you were interested in, I took two paths. The screenshot on the left is your current Infobox. The second is one I more specifically designed for you. The third is slightly modified from our stock default theme "Europa". Tell me which of the two options you'd like me to lean towards, and any elements of the original that you'd like me to carry over that were changed. Thanks! FishTank (wall) 00:41, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

EDIT: Added a fourth, the pure stock unmodified Europa one. Just in case you were looking for a comparison. FishTank (wall) 00:52, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I like option #2 the most in general terms, but I'll break my thoughts down a little more:
  • We can lose the blue title of the weapon infoboxes in favour of colours more consistent with the rest of the infoboxes.
  • I'd rather stay clear of the brown background colour - I kinda like it, but we have quite a bit of content set up to work with the grey.
  • The red title background on the fourth option interests me. The red runs closer to official Borderlands colour iconography for the first two games, and frankly I've never been attached to this orange.
So, I'd ditch #1 and #3, and maybe try the grey and red elements of #2 and #4 personally. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:06, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

notably the examples do not reflect the unique (blue) rarity of the item in the title text. Dr. FThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn.png  •  Wordpress shovel.png   08:20, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Uhh, yeah, we should probably elaborate on that. The item infoboxes have used the item rarity colours derived from the in-game text. Some people might be attached to it. Meanwhile, as someone who has set the colour balance on a number of tricky colour issues here, I can see that this practice is loaded with pitfalls. Orange and Magenta, among others, might offer contrast issues with red and orange hues. The trouble with using item rarity colours on the text is that we will forever be bound to imitate the games' colour structures, and even those have fudged the issue with dark borders on bold fonts in the games, something that is impractical to copy here. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:18, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
"Some people might be attached to it." Does that make it a dealbreaker to not have it? As you say, there are inherent pitfalls, and it produces inconsistent styling with a result that doesn't mean much when the rarity is reflected by actual text further down. As for the "red vs orange", we could, for example, make the title more consistent (with red) and the group headers and navigation use the orange, or any such combination. No amount of red or orange will ulitmately look good with the blue, though, and I'd really rather steer away from coloring the text of the title when the meaning of such is ambiguous AND it causes styling conflict. FishTank (wall) 19:47, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
It's not a deal breaker to me. I'm quite content to move to a consistent theme, and you've just echoed quite a few of my thoughts on the matter as to why. -- WarBlade (talk) 00:19, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
OK! So, new "swatches" for your perusal. Note that the padding and spacing are very different in the Europa version. Let me know what you're thinking, and maybe we can get this done today. :-)

FishTank (wall) 06:13, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

The bottom colours aren't desirable - that is just another infobox field that can be triggered or disabled by contributors to create a subpage link. Backing up to your earlier gallery, I'll point right to the second image you had as my initial preference, and Photoshop in my other suggestion with a quick paint bucket splash.
--WarBlade (talk) 02:43, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Consider that coloring removed. We're going with the red bars and spacing of Europa, then? (Option 2) FishTank (wall) 03:13, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, let's try that. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 03:42, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

OK, changes made as discussed and many Infoboxes approved. If you spot anything that you'd like tweaked, let me know. :-) FishTank (wall) 17:25, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Need Help Reversing Category Edit

Hey, uh, I'm kinda new to editing this wiki. And editing Wikis in general. I hit the 'Leave Message' button, so I hope I'm doing this right.

You posted on my talk page, saying to ask for help whenever needed. I tried to add a category to a picture of a Queen Spiderant that I uploaded (queenspiderant1.jpg), and I didn't notice that the categories are case-sensitive and I can't seem to go back and edit the category, I accidentally made it 'Images of Enemies', rather than 'Images of enemies'.

How do I reverse this edit? 

Thanks. QueenFrau (talk) 05:13, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

The Leave Message button is fine.
The post on your talk page is auto-generated for any new contributor and auto-signed with the sig of the last admin to edit the wiki - in this case me. :)
As for the category, I have patched it up for you. It can be edited by clicking the edit button at the top of the image page. Once in edit mode, you can select / discard unwanted category names, as well as add new names. Also, please select a licence template when you upload an image to this wiki. "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:45, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Beerfest Trivia

What should I do for the Beerfest reference? Should it be a link to Beerfest. Kgk4569 (talk) 21:39, July 11, 2016 (UTC)

The first thing is to carefully research anything you write before publishing. The second thing is to make sure the trivia note complies with this wiki's trivia policy. If at some point you realise that what you were thinking of publishing is nothing more than a vacuous piece of nonsense, don't publish it. -- WarBlade (talk) 05:34, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Nine-Toes Interwiki

Nine-Toes page is protected, I wanted to add Interwiki link to RU page - [[ru:Девятипалый]]. MtMB (talk) 14:03, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

You don't mind, if I'll continue Interwiki theme here? Aries - [[ru:Дракула]]. MtMB (talk) 10:00, November 3, 2016 (UTC)
Link added. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 10:26, November 3, 2016 (UTC)


hey, I am a regular player of borderlands on the ps3, and thought I might make an account on this wikia considering my use of it for information.

i may as well ask if there are any rules or regulations etc. that i must follow before i get into editing, thank you.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:03, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Yes, we have various policies. Most can be found here. The style guide is out of date, but much of the rest should provide a decent guideline. Thanks for asking. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:13, October 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, i know now from when i tried to edit wikipedia to always ask before editing.
yours inubitably
Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:20, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

BLTPS grenades template

There's a BL2 grenades template that goes at bottom of the pages but that is not the case for BLTPS grenades. I've created one and added it to the Bouncing Bazza page. As you can see, common grenades are still missing but those can be added later on.

While making the template I've, by mistake, created a page with the same name. I see that you have already deleted that page, thanks.

Is it OK for me to add this template to the remaining BLTPS grenade pages?

Thanks.SirFoggy (talk) 20:47, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, go for it. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:13, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

About the starting weapons for playable characters

They all, with exception of those for the Baroness, are considered unique but share names with other non-unique weapons. One example would be Slick Delivery, starting weapon for the Enforcer, and Slick Delivery of the blue rarity.

Wilhelm's shotgun is a true unique weapon while the blue Delivery variants are not. Although they do share the same name that's pretty much all they have in common.  Wilhelm's shotgun always spawns with fixed parts and w/o scope or elemental capacitor. Regular blue Delivery may spawn with variety of options including, but not limited to, scope and/or elemental capacitor. Balance, barrel, and material used are different for these two weapons. I believe these two should be listed in different categories witin ShotgunsTPS template as well as having their own pages. This could be easily done by renaming the existing Delivery page to Delivery (Wilhelm) and creating Delivery (Blue) page for the regular one.

Similar thing has been done for number of starting weapons in BL2 (see: http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Repeater) so why not for the BLTPS starting weapons. I don't mind putting the effort in creating those pages and disambiguation/redirecting pages where needed. I would do this for Delivery shotgun first, and then do the rest if you're happy with the result.

Please let me know.

SirFoggy (talk) 13:18, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please do not rename any pages. Items that are mainstream or primary items generally don't need clarifiers and therefore will not need to be be moved. eg. the Delivery must stay where it is. As for Wilhelm's Slick Delivery, sure, that sounds like something that could be "Slick Delivery (starting weapon)" or something to that effect, but it doesn't appear to have any naming conflict, so "Slick Delivery" is fine. Then it will need a disambiguation note in the head of the article to point to "Delivery" to account for the Slick version of the Delivery. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:47, October 16, 2016 (UTC)


i will be leaving for two weeks, during that time i plan to gain information for Nishas skills articles, then edit the articles when i arrive. Before i leave, i would appreciate any advice and/or notable reccomendations for making an article on the skills and skill trees.


yours indubitably.

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 23:58, October 16, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Roland Builds

If not Roland, then what?

a category was removed as "misnamed" - but this was old name used by Template:Roland_Build - what name would you suggest for it? D1g (talk) 15:03, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like I took that one down in a rush. Categories should be presented in accordance with the rest of the English standard here - lower case for common nouns. As for categorising builds generally, it's worth mentioning that I've always kept those a bit partitioned off from the main body of the category tree because they are user created content. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

About the Scavenger Beast

Every other type of Kragon has Startegy section on their respective pages but this one. Following those examples, I've briefly described the Scavenger Beast's behavior in combat only to have it reverted by you with explanation that "Mission strategy belongs on the mission page". I would agree with that if my edit was not about the the Scavenger Beast itself but about the mission it appears in. Why every other kragon can have Strategy section saying "it does this and that" but not this one?


SirFoggy (talk) 22:22, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

That goes back to the first game. At an early stage on this wiki we had strategy sections springing up on both character articles and mission articles about the same encounters, and aside from the redundancy there was also the problem that some of them were in direct conflict, contradicting one another. The problem started getting worse when key encounters were also getting strategies put into achievement articles. Add to that, encounters like General Knoxx included more complex considerations than just the central character. So we boiled it down, shifting the character strategies to just the mission articles where the conflicts can be contained in one place and the trash mob additions can also be documented appropriately. You probably will have noticed that this consideration is factored into the character template itself - when a mission is supplied under strategy, the strategy section is disabled.
The other kraggons aren't mission-specific so their strategies are on the character articles. The strategy for this particular kraggon should be a component part of a strategy section on the mission article. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:43, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt and informative reply, much appreciated.
SirFoggy (talk) 17:08, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Shugguraths and Rathyds

I was doing a bit of editing on both and wanted to add gallery to the Shuggurath page but then noticed it's done as character template page, or whatever the right name for it might be, in contrast to the Rathyd page which is more like a normal article page. Both can't be right, so which one is it? Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 03:44, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

The Rathyd article should be a faction article, like this for example. The individual rathyd types can have their own individual articles. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
That's what I though. Thing is, for Shugguraths Charater page template was used, not a faction article. Converting the page to a different format isn't much of a problem or a lot of work but I wouldn't like to do something like that with out asking first. SirFoggy (talk) 14:25, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

uploading audio files

hey, i recently managed to record some of kriegs quotes and convert them into OGG audio files, i am wondering how i can upload them to the wiki so i can place them on the krieg quotes page.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 02:36, December 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Question about Berrigan edits

Hi WarBlade,

I've made numerous update edits to some pre-sequel weapon pages in the past few days, as I've been doing some testing for veracity and hard numbers. You've made subsequent edits to most of them, which I'll admit upset me at first but after some thoUght I admit that most of them are reasonable cleanup edits.

However, I was surprised that you completely reverted my edits to the Berrigan without leaving any of my findings. I think that the fact that the Berrigan is significantly inferior to the Badaboom in nearly every way is worthy information for the wiki (since the weapons are so similar). So, I'd like to petition to have it in some form somewhere on the page. I can certainly understand relegating it to Notes or Trivia, but compared to your other edIts I was surprised that you reverted the Berrigan page with no trace of my information.

Thanks, and apologies for the tendency of some of my edits to include subjective commentary.

Sincerely, Amorra (talk) 07:59, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

Your edits to the usage and description content of the Berrigan were reverted because instead of being focussed specifically on the Berrigan, they were instead presenting a side-by-side comparison of two weapons, to the point where the Badaboom effectively had an equal share of the write up on an article that is supposed to be about the Berrigan. A better approach for the Berrigan article would be to just focus on how the Berrigan is used, and then in the notes maybe mention its shortcomings against the Badaboom.
I should elaborate on the former point. An article should ideally stand on its own. If you shape the information to be contingent on information presented in another article then you force the reader to review the other article to understand the comparison. We've had quite a few passages like that here in the past: "Item A is just like Item B, but has a larger magazine and inferior stability." The net result is that comparison bloat has had a negative effect on page content, so that's why it gets stripped out from time to time. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Question about use of Talk pages

Despite the fact that I left my Berrigan message only a few hours ago, something mostly-unrelated occurred to me.

On the Skyrim wikia, many users use the Talk page of an article as a place to post more "subjective" content, such as secrets, shortcuts, strategies, observations, etc. I was thinking about your (extensive) reversion of my edits to the Absolute Zero, and it occurred to me that in the style of the Skyrim wikia, that commentary--which I feel was legitimate and potentially helpful analysis--might be more at home in the Talk page than on the actual article. To be clear, I understand and in retrospect could even agree with your removal--after all, it was opinion-based, even if I reached my opinion through careful analysis.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if such use of the Talk page is acceptable in this wiki, and if not, if there's any place where it would be accepted. I personally enjoy reading such commentary presented by others, and I'd at least like to think that one or two people somewhere might like to read mine.

Thanks once again,

Amorra (talk)Amorra

Yeah, the Talk pages are ideal for commentary. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Spelling

I didn't perform my recent edit to the Kaneda's Laser page to alter spelling--I did it because there was a run-on sentence that was, frankly, quite cringe-worthy. I understand that you seem to be hopelessly obsessed with your preferred version of spelling, but I actually improved the article before you decided to revert it so that you could support your own culture. Everything isn't about you and your version of english, WarBlade..

EDIT: I will, however, happily do my best to try not to alter the spelling when I DO make valid edits. THis time, it was because I deleted the whole run-on and re-wrote the sentence from scratch, so of COURSE I spelled the words the way I learned them.


Amorra (talk) 02:28, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

I couldn't resist the drama, so I reviewed WarBlade's controversial reversion. Here's your "audience": lighten up, Francis. Your edit was nugatory. Nothing of value was lost in its reversion. Dämmerung 04:57, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
Oh, well in that case my bad. I would have thought that a generally well-kept and informative wiki wouldn't want to have cringeworthy run-on sentences all over the place, But I could certainly be mistaken. The previous instance where an edit I made was reverted because of spelling triggers was on the Cry Baby, where I added what I would consider valid and relevant information (Mystic prefix only costs 1 ammo per shot despite have 2 additional listed projectiles). While I'm sure you'll respond that the game/weapon are not exactly relevant to 98% of players, and thus my edit was "nugatory" (congratz on your college vocabulary), you can't deny that I made a valid and contributive edit, which was reverted solely because somebody doesn't like the way I was taught to spell words.
I'll definitely admit that my initial paragraph above is a bit hotheaded abd contains some needlessly infantile parts, but surely you can understand that I was taken aback to see a page reverted to having run-on sentences because it annoyed a moderator that I spelled a word differently than he would.
Amorra (talk) 06:07, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra
What you have described as a "bit hotheaded" is more like intentionally antagonistic. Please note that this wiki is a collaborative effort from many contributors of many nationalities. As such, we ask that you both be tolerant of various spelling standards, and that you don't try to troll anyone on talk pages.
You'll also find that wikis have a habit of attracting re-edits of your updates. Other contributors can, and will, change things mercilessly, sometimes even reverting updates entirely in cases where they veer away from the established standard or breach a policy. This is not something to get worked up over - it is simply a result of how articles get updated here. You will have to accept that when you publish content on the Borderlands Wiki. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:26, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Categories for Images

Quite a few images I've uploaded over the last few weeks, IMO, fall into the "Screenshots" category. They are not, per se, "Images of Areas" or such so "Screenshots" seemed to me as appropriate category. While adding some images, I've noticed that all images tagged as "Scrrenshots" are being re-directed to "Candidates for deletion" category. This is, to say the least, confusing as "Scrrenshots" is a valid category according to Help for Image Categories. What's more, some of the images I've uploaded have been deleted because "invalid category" was provided? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SirFoggy (talkcontribs)

"Screenshots" is not a category, and hasn't been since about 2010 when it was deprecated. Anything miscategorised as such may be deleted at any time. The most immediate instructions for any image upload are on the upload page itself which states "Category:Images" - following that link will take you to a listing of appropriate categories. -- WarBlade (talk) 17:23, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
"Screenshots" was listed as a valid category in the relevant help file untill yesterday when, according to the page history,  it was removed by you. Therefore all the files with that tag uploaded before 17:19, February 6, 2017 should NOT be deleted. I, just like any other new contributor don't - and should not - know about some internal or informal decisions or changes in the rules; that's why we have the official Help files which should be kept up-to-date. Which would be, IMO, much less work than deleting all those "miscategorised" uploads.
What's more, on  July 7, 2016 in your reply to QueenFrau'squestion you said that "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself." So why is that any different for screenshots taken by myself or any other contributor? I'll remind you, if I may, that was on July 7, 2016.
Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 22:12, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
  • Screenshots was inadvertently listed. The admin who added that to the help file was apparently reading off what other people had done and made a reactionary move, which in this case wound up being a mistake based on a couple of years of make-it-up-as-you-go problems (courtesy of the randomness of editors here).
  • The "Help" files are not necessarily up to date - there are still a couple of glaring problem ones. The one statement you were referring to was an oversight that has been there for years, and is now corrected.
  • The "screenshot" template that I was referring to in the discussion with QueenFrau is irrelevant to the categories used, which should be a subcategory of "Images", or just "Images" if a more appropriate subcategory is not available. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for making a fuss

A couple months ago. I sincerely hope that there are no hard feelings. It was a very stressful time in my life, and I was trying to contribute to something greater than just myself, even if it's merely a video game wiki. So, I became needlessly aggressive and defensive when some of my edits were revised and/or reversed. Sorry about that.

Amorra (talk) 05:03, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

No probs. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 05:06, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Advice/review of Load 'n' Splode

Hi Warblade,

Recently, I was trying to make a Claptrap build, and I noticed that many of the pages for his skills are in great disrepair--in this case, Load 'n' Splode specifically. It was missing the skill rank table and some info, so what I did is I copied the source code from a similar skill page (Zero's Headsh0t, which also has only a single stat bonus to list) and altered the relevant values to fit the new page. Since this (combined with the notes I added to the page) is the first major page overhaul I've done, I would be interested in having you look at it and, if there's anything I missed, point it out to me. In particular, despite replacing what I understood to be the page link part (of the source code) with the "Loose Cannon" class mod name, it did not succesfully link to a page, even though a page DOES exist for that COM. I do not understand why or what the issue is, and I'm interested to know. (provided you have time and are so inclined)

As a side note, I found myself (ironically) removing an assertion about how "best" to use a gun when clarifying and adding information to weapon descriptions last night, something I recall you having to do to my edits in the past.

EDIT: I also don't know how to make and link new pages, which is relevant because some Pre-Sequel skills and class mods do not have pages. Although I'm aware that tutorials exist, I'm apprehensive about trying to make them myself, as I'm quite worried I'd get confussed or mess it up. Thus, I'm not sure what to do about those.

In any case, happy editing! Amorra (talk) 23:47, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

The Loose Cannon link wasn't working because it was targetted to Loose Cannon (class mod) instead of just Loose Cannon. The "(class mod)" part would only be necessary if there was something else in the game also known as "Loose Cannon" in which case each Loose Cannon would have text in parenthesis to distinguish them from each other.
Re: side note, good call, but perhaps take a look at the text you wrote for the Company Man shotgun and ask yourself how relevant the Pullpup and Viral Marketer commentary is for an article specifically about the Company Man. ;)
About new pages and links, that will come with time. The tutorials should help a bit, but otherwise following a red link will take you to a blank page ready to edit. In such cases, it is best to check that the new page is being developed under the correct name - your red link to Loose Cannon (class mod) is a suitable case example of what not to follow to create a new page. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:17, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
Looking at it again, I do see what you mean about the Company Man; my rational was that the "meta" position of the weapon would be reasonable information, but the "meta" is inherently subjective, so the more I think about the more I see where you're coming from. Thanks for pointing that out! (also thanks for the explanation of the link :P ) -- Amorra (talk) 01:21, February 15, 2017 (UTC)Amorra
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