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Adding pics

Hey, saw your message (automated?) on my Talk Page and figured I'd ask a question. How do I upload an image to use in a Template on a Page? For example, the Hey! Over Here! page is missing the image -inside- the template. I've scoured some help pages but can't find an answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vigintillion (talkcontribs)

I answered on Vigintillions talk page. Final signature 00:18, September 7, 2013 (UTC)


hello WarBlade i made put in some trivia on some of the tiny Tina's assault on dragon keep enemies pages and they've bean deleted. as far as i can tell thanks to my online updates u were the last to edit these pages and the only thing different is my trivia is gone i would like to know (if it was u) WHY? why would u do that what made u think it needed deletion?!?

Beast of burden (talk) 00:54, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

We ask that trivia be relevant to the origin of the subject discussed in the articles. You simply made a collection of observations on how such things as skeletons and sorcerers were staples of fictional fantasy settings. Spelling and grammar were also a problem. On that note, please use English on my talk page, none of this "u," "i," and "thanx" nonsense. -- WarBlade (talk) 05:10, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
iatbr note: I have done a simple spell check so as not to change the intent of the original author. Final signature 18:35, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Ok WarBlade i see your point and as for grammar and English i do apologize i am dyslexic and i am fairly new to the wiki so spell checking is something i cant really get my head around yet but i have bean given tips by InfinityCross and Best Robot. i do apologize again if the trivia i put was not needed but i would like to know where to put these observations that i made to discover the links that enemies in the normal story and dragon keep seem to share if u can help with that, that would be amazing thanks.
Beast of burden (talk) 18:04, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

I have brought the discussion to Beast of burden's talk page. Final signature 18:35, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dear WarBlade,

kilkil2010 here. I recently made changes to the "Trivia" section of the Legendary Sniper page (Legendary Sniper being a class mod for Zer0, I believe). The changes consisted of one bullet point, pointing out what looked at the time like a clear reference to TF2's Sniper character. The changes may have also included some spelling corrections (I don't remember, so I'm not sure). Why were the changes reverted? What can I do to make sure this doesn't happen again? Please advise. If you have the time, I would like to resolve this via civilised discourse. Also potatoes.

Sincerely, —Preceding unsigned comment added by kilkil2010 (talkcontribs)

"Boom! Headshot!" is from FPS Doug - this is noted in the bullet directly above the one you added. It's use by the sniper in TF2 is simply quoting Doug. Thorough research is the best way to avoid trivia reverts, otherwise the wiki gets bogged down in 'references' of intermediate references (The Sorcerer's Apprentice > Fantasia > The Claptrap's Apprentice, various ideas on "Where angels fear to tread", and so on). -- WarBlade (talk) 02:19, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just a message...

Hey this is just a message but really cool profile pic. do you like to mod? if you could help me mod on bl2 for the ps3 that would be awesome leave me a msg response. :D B(A)rderlandsClaptr10Home Vault logo metal Chat  WikiaLogo  Fan Wiki 20:14, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have time for modding. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:47, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


why did you delete my edit. its true cuz it happened to me i drove past 4 lance cars and they didnt attack then i attacked the 5th one and they all attacked. im confused ???????? B(A)rderlandsClaptr10Home Vault logo metal Chat  WikiaLogo  Fan Wiki 22:12, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

You wrote at least six mistakes into one sentence, and the information conveyed was a poor assumption about driving a Lancer when encountering Crimson Lancers. The Crimson Lancer AI behaviour is well known and not tied to the type of vehicle that players use. Check Crimson Lancer and read the second note. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:50, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Delete Tags

Thanks for letting me know about the time stamp in the delete tag, I'd have been using it earlier if I knew (sorry about that). You may want to add information to Category:Candidates for deletion regarding adding reasons and time stamps to the tag, as it is said there that you need only add {{delete}} to a page to add it to the candidates for deletion. While this is true, a mention of adding reasons/a time stamp can't hurt.
The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 21:11, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I'll use that. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:22, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Opinion on this Herbert Trivia

Doe u think that Herbert's name could be a reference to Herbert the pervert from Family Guy because Herbert is obviously a pervert cos of the things he says about Scarlett but i just wanted to know if perhaps you agree there could be a jock reference there??

Beast of burden (talk) 08:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

You would have to find a specific quote that ties both together in a substantial way. Otherwise its just speculation or thoughts. Interesting though... I only seen a few small parts of Family Guy, So I would not know. Final signature 09:00, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Sketchy. The Family Guy character likes boys. Knowing Borderlands 2, if Herbert had been an intentional reference, then he'd be spouting innuendo to males rather than to Scarlett. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:06, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
ok that's true sorry about that just put 2 and 2 together last night whilst watching Family Guy last night but thought id run it by ya.
Beast of burden (talk) 09:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Main page

On the main page for Borderlands 2:

The game was released on September 18, 2012 in the United States,

Should read:

The game was released on September 18, 2012 in the United States and Canada,

(page is locked to admin edits only). Just noticed it due to it being the 1-year anniversary.


IonStormVortex (talk) 17:57, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

I can't verify it. Do you have a link? -- WarBlade (talk) 20:08, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Not My Busynes But That Cold

Hay Beast of burden hear its not my busynes but i when to look at B(A)rderlands marauder the roug character blog and it seid u deleted it ? thats kinda cold man i dont see what he did to have it deleted i thought the character was kinda good, i didnt even relise people could delete another persons blog (like i thought that was like a thing on the wiki) so yeah as i seid non of my busynes i was just throwing it out there heck u dont even have to reply.

Question about TROLLS?

a WarBlade just a quick one i was like realy rude to a troll on another wiki and just checking theres like no way i can get my blog shut down is there i mean the guy was just being d*** for D***S sack and i just felt i should tell him what i think of trolls i mean im done now he seid he was trolling to iss fanboys off but like i seid i hate trolls there just stupid so yeah im not getting in trouble for that am i???

Beast of burden (talk) 09:48, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I missed seeing this. Any concerns about other users on other wikis should be handled at Wikia Central. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:50, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

ok thank u WarBlade :)

Beast of burdenKrieg maniatier6-releasethebeast Release the beast! 17:02, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hay War just a Question

who would you say is bigger King Mong or Grendel

cos i wrote in King Mong's Trivia that he was the largest bullymong but it was deleted on the basis that Grendel is large two now i have none of the DLCs and have merely watched the walk throughs but i still think King Mong is Bigger, Grendels about half his size (roughly) what do you think?

P.S for whichever Bullymong is the biggest does it belong on the page as Trivia ?? Beast of burdenKrieg maniatier6-releasethebeast Release the beast! 22:02, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Answered on Burdens talk page. If you care to add anything, I always like to hear your take on it. Final signature 02:47, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

My thoughts on the matter are that any so-called "trivia" notes that make claims of "biggest", "most powerful", "best", and so on, are completely worthless and should be unceremoniously removed from this wiki. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:12, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that opinions should stay out. I think he is asking about measurable size of a creature. If it were a proven fact, then the opinion would be to keep or remove the trivia. Final signature 11:09, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Borderlands Fanon Wiki

I was just wondering if you would be willing to help out the Borderlands Fanon Wiki. I'm trying to improve it and the founder has now given up and promoted me to admin. If you would be willing to help, I'd be grateful.

Food is an important part of a balanced diet. (talk) 21:31, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

You might have noticed my efforts here usually come in short bursts. I've got too much on my plate to try and take on additional wikis at this time, sorry. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:47, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Microsoft Points

Just a thought - Microsoft has removed Microsoft Points as Xbox Live's currency and instead uses real dollar value. They also converted any remaining MSP balance to dollars. Perhaps the wiki should be updated (in LOTS of places) to reflect this change? Andrew632 (talk) 08:31, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Correction. It's real currency value rather than dollar value from what I can tell. But yeah, I agree that Microsoft Points are now out-of-date information and definitely something in need of a rework. If that is a project you feel like contributing to, then by all means go for it. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:30, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


Hey, why did you remove, my duping page, it wasn't finished and i logged on today to complete the article but it was removed, why is that?Vlad The Implier (talk) 16:10, October 12, 2013 (UTC)Vlad The Implier

Because the Borderlands Wiki exists to document Borderlands, its spin-offs, and sequels. Cheating guides have no place in mainspace articles. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:50, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Heads Up!

For some reason on the Slag page, When you click the link to Grog Nozzle, it takes you to the antagonist. See if you know how to fix it, It's being tricky with me.

Vlad The Implier (talk) 14:07, October 16, 2013 (UTC)Vlad the Implier

I fixed it. The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 14:12, October 16, 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip about categorizing images. Nice to be part of the wiki :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaushiktalukdar (talkcontribs)

Modded Items

What do you guys do with Obviously modded information on variant charts? — Ilvandel (talk to me)   02:47, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Presenting false information is a form of vandalism. Thank you for the report. -- WarBlade (talk) 05:16, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

About Yoteslaya...

Just if you don't know who that is, he's a somewhat Youtube famous BL player that recently died. Wanted to know if you wanted to pay memoriam to him, we could maybe add a small eulogy somewhere? Just a though. Death is hard, but I'm sure you know this War. Up to you. InfinitysCross (talk) 02:50, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ouch, that sucks. Yeah, I'm not that familiar with him, although I've watched several of his videos. I'm not sure how we'd cover something like a eulogy to be honest - we've shut down some fan offerings to keep the focus on the official releases, and this is like another step back in that direction. As always, blog posts don't have the same restrictions, so there's that avenue. Maybe the news feed on the front page could hold a quick note. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:10, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Spiker Trivia

Reading the trivia rules. Saying that Zer0's Be Like Water does not proc even AFTER the detonation on Spikes. Bears no resemblance to anything on that trivia page, so I was curious. It seemed like pretty good trivia to know. Had the effect procced after detonation similar to Maya's Cloud. Things would be a bit more clear. I am overall just curious why the removal? Were the hyperlinks incorrect, was the spelling off. New to trying to be helpful on Wikia so some clarification would be gold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Assassinofkings (talkcontribs)

In the edit summary: "test edits and nav template"
You made four edits for one small page update. This is what we refer to as "sandbox editing," and is something we try to keep to a minimum due to the way it needlessly bloats page histories. You did this despite the presence of a "Preview" button right next to "Publish". Please use Preview to test your edits.
You also made a mess of links and erased the navigation template at the bottom. The loss of the nav template vastly outweighs a minor trivia update.
If you need help with editing, there are many who can assist you. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:50, October 25, 2013 (UTC)


What, exactly, is your problem with the text I've put up there? It is at the very least a lot more factually accurate than the version you keep reverting to. -- Yukichigai (talk) 13:58, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

The first thing that sticks out is that you made a point of capitalising common nouns that weren't previously capitalised. You then went on to clutter up the usage and description section with comparisons to other items. Please don't post verbose diatribes about how your article subject is "like" another article subject - the immediate subject itself is what needs the spotlight. You actually managed to write one legitimate paragraph ("After each electric orb has expended itself..."), and frankly one out of five in one section is too poor a hit rate to publish. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:24, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that providing comparisons to establish scope was somehow undesirable or against the style of the wiki. In fact, I'm pretty sure it isn't, but regardless, let's look at the paragraphs individually: -- Yukichigai (talk) 22:27, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

[Diatribe removed - WarBlade]

No. Let's not. Re-writing the diatribe in user talk does nothing but abuse the talk page. What really disappoints me about it though are these points you made:
  • "You could have done that yourself."
  • "...which could have easily been edited by you."
  • "You don't throw out whole swaths of text because you don't like the person who wrote it."
To the first two points, the onus is not on other editors to clean up your mess. It's your responsibility, and yours alone. If it takes as much time for us to clean up after you as it took for you to write in the first place, then you'll just have to accept that a revert is going to be a likely result.
To the final point, how dare you suggest to me, or any contributor for that matter, that reverting your edit was due to "not liking the person."? That is a spurious accusation, and one that I find quite offensive. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:20, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
I'll try to keep this brief.
As to the first, if you can't spend the time it takes to remove a handful of text from four sentences then you should not be editing this wiki. That is at most a few minutes of invested time, compared to about an hour I spent collating the information, as well as generating example weapons to test and performing said tests to verify the information. More to the point, if you can't bother to articulate to me what your specific problem is with the text you deemed unworthy without me having to challenge you on your talk page, you really should not be editing this wiki. Which brings me to point number two.
Since I started editing this wiki your behavior towards me has been, at best, cold and dismissive. More often your general attitude in both edit summaries and discussion in general has been overbearing, authoritarian, and outright insulting. Whenever your edits are challenged the rationale you provide is invariably some variation of "because I said so/because I'm an admin", and if you are challenged further the next typical response is either you locking the article or you threatening to ban someone for vandalism. The few times you do engage in dialog it seems to be in the same tone that a dog owner might talk to a pet as they are rubbing the animals nose in a mess they made on the floor, case in point the above exchange where you describe an hour of research and work as a "diatribe", repeatedly. Instead of acknowledging any value within edits you disagree with, you deride the content as a whole.
And while that in itself is off-putting enough, you have made all of that excruciatingly personal in my case with about three to four months of edit stalking me. Yes, I noticed, and please do not insult my intelligence by denying it; it's not hard to notice when any edit you make is within hours followed by a specific admin editing the same article.
Regardless of what you characterize your own behavior as, the above is the impression you very clearly project to everyone else. If you are trying to make me think you have anything but contempt for me, you are doing a remarkably bad job of it.
What I find most telling though, what removes any doubt in my mind as to the cause of this little conflict, is the fact that even in denying that your edits were anything but merit-based, you don't bother to deny that you dislike me. If it was even a minor dislike of me you would have denied it for the sake of politeness if nothing else. The amount of contempt you must feel for me to omit even that most basic of civil white lies.
Now if you still can't see why there is a problem with the way you have been treating me since the beginning of my involvement with this wiki, let me share something with you. Do you know what thought runs through my head every time I complete a major edit to a page on this wiki? "I hope WarBlade doesn't come on later and destroy this." Not "an admin", you. Specifically you. You are the reason why I hesitate every single time I want to make an edit to the wiki, and why I did not edit the wiki except for five times between December and June. However offensive you find my accusation, it's nothing compared to what you did to lead me to stop contributing to the wiki for six months. -- Yukichigai (talk) 01:52, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Your rant is unwelcome. This is a wiki - information gets written, and often reverted or re-edited. Get used to it.

And if your attitude is such that you come onto my talk page to insult me - AGAIN - then I think it would be best for you to stop editing here. You can hold whatever opinion of me you like. You can continue to make up ideas about how I think, or deciding who I dislike, but that kind of nonsense is best kept locked away in thoughts. Publishing a rant about it does no favours to anyone, least of all the ranter. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:43, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I am a Borderlands Wiki Liaison. The rights of all users is my main priority (I am on your side). I work with the community to improve the wiki and your opinion matters.

Oh my, where do I start? LOL Ok... It is not Warblades job to look into the authors original intent and try to discern how to please said author by fixing a edit. That is my job on this wiki and the reason why I have been appointed is because SOME edits MAY be fixed with discernment (call it a crystal ball).

To that point, even though it seems to be a certain talent of mine, it is not easy (and sometimes near impossible) to provide unaltered intent when fixing an edit. My suggestion is to stop wasting time on this talk page and go through the history of the page and fix it yourself. It, after all, is the best solution (I am talking about the original author fixing their own mistakes).

I have not even looked at the page to which this talk section is dedicated. It apparently does not need my time and effort since the original author has so much time to spend.

On a side note: If you have a problem with Warblades style, please stick to quoting wikia guidelines instead of becoming personally involved, such as leaving a adequate summary, etc. Final signature 17:04, October 26, 2013 (UTC)


Will do. Thanks for your help on that page

PandaMan2438 (talk) 20:19, October 25, 2013 (UTC)Pandaman2438


Hey , thanks for deleting the Disgusting article about the death of Yoteslayer. I saw it decided to create an avcount and edit it, but then you deleted it anyway :D RIP Yote —Preceding unsigned comment added by Borderlandsninja (talkcontribs)

No problem. And thanks for pitching in. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:43, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

In Reference to Your Message


I am not sure if the message I received from you was an auto message or not. I am a heavy contributor on the Dragon's Dogma page and I saw some grammatical mistakes on the page I was editing on here. Also, I added in more back linking to help with placement and proper informational source tracking on the wikia. The message I received was something about posting images. I would only upload an image if I felt it was necessary. I am a web developer and would be sure to categorize everything for you that I upload. Thanks for the concern on integrity of image uploads (whether that was automated or not); but I will be sure to keep your rules in mind.


KhaoticCarnifex —Preceding unsigned comment added by KhaoticCarnifex (talkcontribs)

It was an auto-generated message. With regards to linking, we typically only link once - additional links to the linked articles just colour up bits of text and detract from legibility. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:21, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

yes Hello

I got sloppy and didn't rename my file before I uploaded it. Can you pls move File:2013-10-29_00041.jpg to File:Ilvandel - Win-Win Lady Fist.jpgIlvandel (talk to me)   20:48, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Done. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:34, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Save and Quit

I couldn't find a reason recorded for deleting this page (that I wrote yesterday). Only note I could find was in my email: "Should this really be here? :/" from User:Necrai. It seemed like a worthwhile-enough article, mostly for the sake of saying what things would (not) be saved. Or is there a better place, in your opinion? BuddyPharaoh (talk) 00:34, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

At best it would rate a mention in an article covering all of the menus. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:31, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I started a vote, please check it out:

MattoFrank (talk) 20:40, November 10, 2013 (UTC) MattoFrank

Image policy update

I have made a forum to combine all the current events. Please add any policy that you have concern with and vote. Final signature 02:04, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Licensed Video Swap Tool

Hey there, WarBlade. My name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! Wikia has recently updated a new admin tool for videos called Licensed Video Swap. This is a new tool that allows admins to quickly swap videos embedded videos on your wiki from outside providers (such as Youtube, Vimeo, Dailymotion, etc) to the same (or very similar) video that exists on Wikia Video. The benefit being that the videos hosted on Wikia Video are fully licensed and will never be removed for a licensing issues.

You can read about the updates to the tool on this staff blog. and I am available to help you if you would like any assistance switching any videos out on your wiki, it's your call. Thank you and have a good one!
TheBlueRogue @fandom (profile)•(talk)•(email) 22:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. I see the point. I don't see myself using it much though, as I hardly ever look at the videos (unless a complaint arises about the content). Still, it does offer an avenue to resolve certain kinds of complaints. Thanks for the heads up. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:46, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


The Willowtree page needs the category "Borderlands". It is locked. Final signature 19:31, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

I see no reason to categorise third-party software as "Borderlands." "Modding," on the other hand, is suitable. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:46, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I got ya. The reason I did it was because it doesn't go with borderlands 2 which can be confusing for peeps... maybe just a notice at the top that it is 3rd party for the borderlands game? From the few glances I took, it did not specify anything which game, although one has a link. Final signature 08:04, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's linked now to specify Borderlands. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:23, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have found an anomaly... the Pepperbox page is categorized as "Borderlands 2" and I cannot remove the cat. Its probably from a template?

Is it possible to remove the cat without creating work? Final signature 19:30, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

I was about to suggest removing it from the game field, but then I thought it was designed as part of the game, but disabled from dropping. I'm in two minds about it now - whether to remove the game and associated category, or just to leave it. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:36, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well hello there my good sir,

I have questions and you have answers, care to help?Vlad The Implier Psychedelic-skull Wake the Dead 00:58, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

What are the questions? --WarBlade (talk) 01:04, November 25, 2013 (UTC)
More importantly, what are the answers? :DFinal signature 07:55, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

The Belated Pants

Well it's been 172 days since you first welcomed me to the community, and now I've finally got around to contributing to the variant charts as planned. I'm now at 19 out of 258 items that I can list (with citation of course).

I planned on doing a few before I start forming too many opinions about the interface. But it seems like the interface is as inefficient as I first thought after all. Is it just me, or is there no information in the help documents about faster methods for adding items to the variant charts? Right now it feels more like writing batch files in command prompt than capturing data in MS Excel. Captainmcpants (talk) 17:27, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've seen some pages that make uncited claims that I can vouch for. Take the Usage & Description section of the cannon, for example. I know out of experience that the claim is true, but there's no guidelines page for the appropriate methods of providing citation for such a claim. The closest thing I've found is the statements needing citations page and the community cite page. What can be done about this? Captain McPants (talk) 11:07, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Screenshots that validate a claim can be useful. The talk pages are the place to discuss disputed article content, so use those to reinforce an assertion you know to be true. -- WarBlade (talk) 11:13, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
Well in that case I'll have to do a 10 second video on it since, in the example above, the claim cannot be cited with any number of screenshots. Captain McPants (talk) 13:18, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like your attention on another matter that I stumped user:I am the best robot with. Full discussion here (start at Captainmcpants (talk) 04:33, November 29, 2013 (UTC)). "Take Jumpin_Bitty/Jumpin_Biddy for example; they have that text box at the top to indicate the suggested merger. I know how to make the box, but I don't know if that box is linked to some kind of bulletin board for mergers-to-review." Basically, there's no built-in system for page-mergers to be reviewed by the community - we need an equivelent to the citations review page. Captain McPants (talk) 13:28, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

The link it leaves is to the talk page. Use that to discuss article content, or in this case the proposed page merge. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:41, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean "The link it leaves is to the talk page"? Captain McPants (talk) 15:07, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
The link is to a talk page that no one has contributed to... its not created so is a red link that lets you directly create (edit) the page. Also to note: there is now a Category:Articles proposed for merge. Good eye Pants Final signature 16:49, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that makes more sense. Since you were kind enough to create The Murrgurr™, I'll make it my mission to load all akin animals into this ark.
While we're on the subject of these kinds of pages we all need, I've noticed that the contents of Proof Pauper™ seems arbitrary since practically 90% of all claims made on the wiki are without citation anyway. I rummaged through the help section for info on citation in wikia, which really just explained basic wikitext. So what exactly constitutes "citation needed"? For example, Cannon makes a claim about its unlisted ability and, understandably, got a "citation needed" tag because there's no link of a video displaying the weapon fire. Compare that to KerBlaster's claim about its unlisted ability (that's very similar to that of the Cannon) and it gets off scott free. Is it just me or does it look like the only claims that actually require proof around here are the variant charts? Captain McPants (talk) 19:10, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
Right, regarding The Murrgurr™, direct your attention here and here, and fix if needed. I only added the AMT box to one of the four mergers. Captain McPants (talk) 20:02, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Attention to

Can I have your attention to the following topics?

As you should have read in my talkpage, I was supposed to give you a heads up on this matter. And maybe your approval. Just let me know. I... I am the King!Talk 17:25, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think I've missed part of the conversation, but the gist of it is that you want to screen the wiki for modded content in mainspace articles and remove those additions? I'm totally fine with that. As for the "red box" items, consider me indifferent to the issue. The variant charts are useful for citing item variables, but beyond that I find them to be a distraction that too many contributors waste time on. If a policy update stops people from adding more junk, great. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:47, December 3, 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, I've started my run and tagged various items which could be the "junk" you are talking about, I also coincide with your point on the time-waste-table. As for the "red box" items, only weapons which appear with "DLC required" are modded, any with a "level req." probably are not. I... I am the King!Talk 22:00, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

iatbr note --> Although this wiki is not a social media, I am glad that Users have an outlet for the normal human need to share items. It is also possible that good editors may come to this wiki initially because of the variant charts. I, personally, would never call editors learning to use the tables/charts a waste of time. This mostly comes from my experience of PC games being the catalyst of learning how to work a PC combined with the wiki being the catalyst of learning how to do code. I have no formal education in either. Final signature 15:44, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

I found more guilty items, tagged them the the {{Delete}} tag. I... I am the King!Talk 15:20, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Noun Thoughts

I'm wondering why you went ahead with changing the descriptors to lower case (Legendary -> legendary). I mean, while they are normal words in normal speech, in the context of the game, they are considered proper nouns, which are capitalized. What say you? MadCrayolaz ® 14:43, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

With Borderlands I found that the capitalisation habits followed the Diablo II style of capitalising every key word under the sun, whether it was consistent with English language rules or not, but Borderlands 2 has been a lot more consistent with English rules. I'm using the file as a yardstick for many of the adjustments these days, eg. "crystalisk". "Legendary" is not a word I'm aware of appearing anywhere in mid-sentence, and in reasonably citable text though (the non-writer devs still follow odd capitalisation habits in things like item cards). Therefore I'm going with English rules. Legendary, unique, and the slang term pearlescent, are getting the common noun treatment, because they are common nouns. I've left Seraph alone, seeing as Seraph appears to be used in a proper noun context based on a formal name covering group of NPC characters. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:34, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
I totally get that, but then aren't we being contradictory ourselves, assigning some to be caps, and some not? I dunno. Most people just tend to use the caps. I personally don't care, it just looks odd to me. And yeah, I was thinking D2 as well. MadCrayolaz ® 21:13, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Rule of thumb(nail)

I've got a problem with updated images not updating their thumbnails. How do I fix this? Captain McPants (talk) 18:58, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Clearing your browser cache and reloading can help to update images, but otherwise just leaving things alone and being patient works. I don't see how those thumbnails are much of a "problem" though. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:43, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
I've tried the browser-cache, but in this case I think it's clear (given the links provided) that the wiki is holding onto the old image. I don't see it as a problem at all except for maybe if an editor finds fault with the thumbnail (e.g. red box) and removes the full image (which isn't red box). If you do figure out how to fix it, lemme know. Thanks. Captain McPants (talk) 20:06, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
Update: I've noticed it's not only the thumbnails that occasionally do it, but the image in the lightbox as well. In these cases only the full size image contains the desired version of the image. Captain McPants (talk) 19:02, December 22, 2013 (UTC)
Now, that one is odd. I don't know what would cause that. If it's a software, or server, issue then I won't have any way of fixing it either. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:34, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Front Page?

Hey there, I was doing some browsing around the wiki and I noticed the front page really lacks in a lot of areas. Borderlands 2 being over a year old now, I think it's a tad silly to use Borderlands logo next to the links to Borderlands 2 articles. The sections on the homepage to me also feel out of place, while most wikis (and I surely understand this wiki isn't just /any/ wiki) have links to all different things reagrding the game (e.g. characters, enemies, locations, missions, etc.) while ours just has mission locations, new content (even though the game isn't really new anymore) and other such things that (to me) just makes things clunky and confusing for those who come to browse the wiki. Just thinking that it may be time for a revamp. What do you think?

Aubrey Callahan III (talk) 03:30, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I'm pretty flat out right now, but your observations do give me plenty of food for thought. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:35, December 11, 2013 (UTC)


A good strategy against Dwarves would be to shoot low and toss them when you can. Final signature 20:08, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Given the helmets, I'd suggest grabbing the handlebars and just turning the opponent. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:10, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
Plus they have flight strategy now (although you prolly seen it a million times). Final signature 21:00, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I sent an invite. Final signature 21:10, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Going to see Desolation of Smaug. Will finish the SH!FT codes laters. Final signature 22:32, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

The HFR is rendered a little better the second time around. I enjoyed most of it myself, but the chase through Erebor got a bit long-winded IMO. I actually wish the movie had chopped out some of that and spent more time covering book content in Mirkwood. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:05, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

I can agree with that, although watching elves fight is entirely awesome. We were surprised at the deviation from the book more than what wasn't covered. Although this may be a warped perspective since I have not read the book in decades. I have determined to read it before the next one.

Side note: Watched the extended of the first before the second... As with all the extended versions, it is much better and I look forward to this extended version as well. Final signature 07:56, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

The expansion on the storyline that leads up to Lord of the Rings fits the movies well. Final signature 13:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Belial Ban

FYI, the ban should be 4 years, not 3. Not that it matters. However, under the Terms of Use, the minimum age is 13 years old. MadCrayolaz ® 23:58, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

True... but we don't know if the advertised lying was part of that or what birth date is attached. The 3 years is wisely giving leeway. Final signature 08:37, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Machine-readable tables and charts

Been using this wiki for a few days now, and it's been bothering me a bit that character builds and weapon stats are largely presented via in-game screenshots. I have problems reading these on mobile devices, and I'm sure search engines have no idea what to do with them.

I've put together a few recursive templates and made a character skill tree with them as an example of what I have in mind, visible on my profile page (best on Chrome, for now); the data renders as an unstyled table on my phone, which is much easier to read at a glance, and if the skill names are supplied the source order is correct for screen readers as well. Also, the code used to call the template from my profile is only 110 bytes, versus the few hundred kilobytes occupied by (highly redundant) images.

Before I fill the rest of this out and start working on item charts, I'd like to know if something like this would be widely used. Benefits aside, there is obviously a requirement for extra data entry by the editor, and I'm not certain what your reasons are for using images in the first place. Thoughts?

Sabaal (talk) 08:34, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Character builds are something that is generally covered in user space, not main articles, so if you want to devise a system and throw it out to the community as an alternative to posting screenshots of entire skill trees, I for one am very interested by this project. I am puzzled by the assertion that weapon stats are largely presented by in-game screenshots though. Are you referring to the variant charts? Because they're primarily for citation purposes, displayed in sub pages to support main article content. -- WarBlade (talk) 11:48, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

In game screenshots of weapons are defiantly needed on variant charts for verification. As far as skill trees go, there is template precedence. Final signature 12:42, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, my noob is showing. I haven't been playing long, and somehow got the impression that the variant charts were meant to be an exhaustive list of some finite data set, and that the screenshots were different items than those in the table. They make a lot more sense now that I'm paying attention.

I also realized too late that I had been spamming the edit log horribly while trying to get the skill table to render. I'll finish fleshing out and condensing the templates in a local sandbox and then post them as a recommendation within the various character build categories (which, looking now, already mention a forthcoming template!)

Thanks for being patient with me. :/

Sabaal (talk) 22:24, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ya, errm about that... You don't really need to post a recommendation since no one has worked on those templates and there is no foreseeable candidate other than yourself. Once you get a working template, there is no other template in competition so yours is the one by default. A post would be only needed if you intended on drastically changing an existing template. Your actually filling a void so just a working one will do. We have all been busy so we appreciate your work. Final signature 08:59, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Doh... I worked 11 hours today... LOL. You both mean a recommendation after the fact. My bad. Ya, a link to the template on the categories would be appropriate. Final signature 10:02, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Got 'em just about done, but I learned that MediaWiki blocks inline background-image css. Could one of you add a couple lines to MediaWiki:Common.css for me:

table.bl2-skilltree td    { position: relative; } { background: url(Borderlands_2_Skill_Tree_Background_%28green%29.png); background-size: 100% 100%; }   { background: url(Borderlands_2_Skill_Tree_Background_%28red%29.png)  ; background-size: 100% 100%; }  { background: url(Borderlands_2_Skill_Tree_Background_%28blue%29.png) ; background-size: 100% 100%; }

If not, I can fake it without a huge hassle, but it'll impact code legibility and portability somewhat. Thanks in advance.

Sabaal (talk) 15:04, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if my previous post got overlooked during the last edit?

Also, because my templates can choose to use the orange and green skill icons based on point count and need some specific naming, I'm going to be doing a lot of image uploads. I believe I have better quality icons than most of the ones already on the wiki, and I'm naming them more explicitly (Skill Icon - [name] (color).png versus [name].png), so I'd like to replace the existing ones when I'm done. I'm no wiki expert, and Google isn't helping much here; what's the protocol for this?

Sabaal (talk) 22:18, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't overlooked - I've only been ducking in briefly to check up on the wiki in the midst of Christmas/family/work/union/etc. It has been a hectic time for me. The icons are fiddly. There are some templates (SkillIcon2 and SkillIconName2) and a file somewhere to take into account, but if you're just re-uploading better quality versions of icons under exactly the same names you shouldn't cause any problems. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:28, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough, real-life stuff is important. I'll finish things up with a workaround and start putting them to use. Sabaal (talk) 04:07, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
Run that baby
as this is intended for use by any/all users and does not intrude upon any article pages this may be implemented w/o community approval. ChemicalweaponThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn  •  Wordpress shovel   23:29, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Red Text

Hey warblade how do i color text so i can make my thread about the bigg thumppr better quality on my red text explaining thing (TheNexes (talk) 21:50, December 22, 2013 (UTC))

Typically wiki markup relies on CSS (cascading style sheets) to adjust the appearance of text. We do however have a template on the Borderlands Wiki to make weapon red text a bit easier. eg. add this:
{{flavor|Thats going leave mark.}}
And get this:
Thats going leave mark.
--WarBlade (talk) 22:01, December 22, 2013 (UTC)

Big Thumppr

I created Forum:Bigg Thumppr as a courtesy. I don't have time to fill anything in that I remember. Perhaps you could throw some stuff on it. Thanks. Final signature 19:23, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up

I just received your message about the edition of an entry

I really appreciate that you thank me for doing that

I'll be looking to help and keep the wiki growing

Darkhole (talk) 03:40, December 26, 2013 (UTC)

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