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Welcome to Borderlands Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Class Mod (Borderlands) page. We hope you will continue to be a regular contributor, and will help us improve the wiki!

Please remember to categorize new images uploaded to the wiki. Uncategorized and or unpublished images will be deleted. Thank you.

Please leave a message on my talk page if you need help with anything! I'll be happy to help. WarBlade (talk) 09:12, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Image Uploads

Please ensure thall uploaded images are appropriately categorised and have a licence template selected, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:11, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry... Yes of course! -- sega010


I have no idea what the idea behind this "other maps" category is, but it's not going to work. Category names will need to be something self explanatory if they're needed at all. We can't have "maps" and "other maps". Sorry. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:45, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

The idea was to separate clean complete maps of locations (example: map) from user interface images to(with) parts of maps or the same maps (examples: 1, 2) with different marks (challenges, ECHO, Symbol of Vault, characters, routes) on them. Sorry, I could not think of a better name for category of various images. -- sega010 July 7, 2017
The idea is to overwrite those maps with cleaner and more precise images. The category "maps that need maintenance" EDIT: or "maps needing overwritten" may be in order. It should be easier to sort the maps that way. Any thoughts? Final signature.jpg 15:43, July 8, 2017 (UTC)
It's a good idea. May be the category "maps at work" or "maps in workings". By the way, some of the "other maps with marks/modified" are already of good quality. -- sega010 July 8, 2017

Okay, STOP. Please don't make any more changes to the category structure until you've discussed them and come to an understanding of what the categories are. I don't have time to police all this at the moment. Furthermore, anything that you've taken out of Category:Images of objects and put into Category:Images of items must now be put back into the category that you stripped away. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:08, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

OK, any images that stripped away to Category:Images of items will be returned to the Images of objects. Although I followed the description from the categories when sorting images. For example, crumpets with plate can be picked up, it doesn't fit as equipment (of a character) and so their image corresponds to the description of the category Images of items: [Images of non-equipment items that can be picked-up within game.] I did not remember how these crumpets are taken and so I had to check preliminary it in the game.
My deepest apologies. -- Yours faithfully, sega010 July 9, 2017
There is a bit blurring between those two categories, so some of your changes may have been correct, some not so much, but the big problem here is that you've opted to undertake extensive overhauls of significant parts of the wiki without first discussing any of it with anyone. Because this is a community effort, if you encounter a series of issues that you feel you should be resolving, we ask that you bring proposals to the table so that we have a chance to reach a consensus and move forward as a group. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:48, July 9, 2017 (UTC)
First of all, although I have not been following the exact events, if you need to add a category in order to sort out "what images need replaced" then let Warblade know about it and the original category stays as well. If you feel you need to change a category to make better sense of organization of certain things, make sure there are enough pictures to warrant a new category and run the change by Warblade. Lets face it, the community is very small at this point so as long as both of you agree, its fine with everyone else. Final signature.jpg 18:02, July 15, 2017 (UTC)
In process, not all. The detailed list of issues in category "Images" and their proposals is here. I will await the decision of the administration to review the criteria for sorting, clearly spelled out in categories. -- User:sega010 July 15, 2017 (UTC)

About Poop Deck

Two things ... It's Sgt. Cool Beans, not Sgt. Cock Beans. Correct name is clearly visible on several screens inside the Drakensburg. Where did you get the info Poop Deck and Sgt. Cool Beans are the same person? I might be wrong but no such reference can be found in the game. On the other hand, these two characters look very different. Model for Poop Deck is that of Toughened Scav as those found in Titan Robot Production Plant riding power suits. Sgt. Cool Beans looks more like Outlaw w/o a backpack. --- SirFoggy (talk) 01:15, October 28, 2017 (UTC)

Name... Sorry, I am poorly examine screen on the Drakensburg... The info was obtainen on Russian Borderlands Wiki and I strongly intrested why he was called a Sgt. _ Beans and how it passed by the eyes of several administrators of the wiki (and who participated in the discussion of the article).
Yes, there is no direct reference in game files what Poop Deck is named Sgt. Cool Beans. On the other hand, Bosun says: "I'm sending in my best man to FINISH YOU OFF", and (really a coincidence?) the name of the best employee is clearly visible on screens in the Command Center. And herewith Bosun clearly calls his by nickname, incidentally explaining why it was given.
Additionally, Poop Deck does not appear in the game file with a list of scavengers, in contrast to the Bosun. -- User:sega010 October 28, 2017 (UTC)
Bosun saying "I'm sending in my best man to FINISH YOU OFF" and "he kicks so much arse" simply means his champion or someone who is the toughest and most dangerous of all his men.
As for the employee of the month ... in corporate environments as well as in the military, this is something reserved for lower-ranked members of the team in order to acknowledge their hard work and to boost their morale. In military, sergeant is a rank of non-commissioned officer (NCO), which is just a few steps above the common troopers. Hence, they are among those eligible for the title of employee of the month.
Neither Bosun nor Poop Deck appear in the Population Definition tables together with other Scavs simply because they fall into different classes; Boss and Mini-Boss respectively.
Without any solid evidence to the contrary, I would argue that Poop Deck and Sgt. Beans are indeed two separate individuals. --- SirFoggy (talk) 01:59, October 29, 2017 (UTC)
quote: Without any solid evidence to the contrary, I would argue that Poop Deck and Sgt. Beans are indeed two separate individuals.
I would gladly agree with this conclusion ... but there are two things. "Sgt. Cool Beans" does not exist in the game files. And also, Drakensburg and his AI is under the control of the freaking out Bosun, who is scav's leader and unlikely followes corporate or army regulations. Therefore, the information on the ship's screens (also controlled by the Bosun) may not correspond to the concept of "employee of the month".
In sum, leave or not leave a note about the name, decide on your own. Thanks. --Sega010 (talk) 12:44, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Hey there

Hey there, I was wondering why you're going back after the posts I've edited and changing them? Especially for the Athena skills for Borderlands. I based all of them off the Borderlands 2 skill pages such as in terms of how the chart works and the smaller Class Mod text. I'm not sure its the proper change if I'm honest. Moosicus (talk) 19:22, February 1, 2018 (UTC)Moosicus

Hello. I appreciate your desire to help the wiki and fill in the missing pages. The above example is not ideal and is not absolute. "Compressing the text" does not get rid of the empty space next to the infobox when the tables do not fit next to the infobox. Joining tables and replicating empty cells looks ugly. The text in the tables is highlighted in different colors, so everywhere. Note about Class Mods should be before the second table, because above is indicates that the number of maximum points are only 5 ( so, this note fill empty space near the infobox).
Summary, your edits are not revertied, but mistakes are corrected and the missing data was added. Possibly ideal example: Stalwart, good example: Fire Support.

Empty sections

On theLuck Cannon page refrences has some code in it the I don't know its point as it is empty on the page and the Media has a template and wanted to know as I am adding templates to the tps items like the Luck Cannon is missing JakobsTPS. Just want to ask if the code is important or not as refrences is empty. GruffKibbles89 (talk) 12:24, April 19, 2018 (UTC)

Blank references should be removed.
In general, External Links on the pages of weapons are undesirable (in these articles they are usually included in the Notes). -- Sega010 (talk) 12:41, April 19, 2018 (UTC)


it is notable that neither minac nor rex are (currently) categorized as bosses. you may, of course, remove them from the template. i must caution you to be prepared to defend removal or any revision, esp this long after the game's release date. if anyone reverses your edit/removal the page will be locked until you and the other party have both made public arguments (on a blog, not my talk page) and people have read them and decided. if you would like to have the discussion occur before the edit(s) are made i suggest starting the blog/discussion and linking it on the admin's talk pages so we can link it on the main page and so on and so on. i am NOT recommending against removing links or against editing a template. i AM stating that if there is objection to the edit you will be asked to defend your reasoning in open forum. that said they are not category:boss so imo do not belong in template. change one or the other. please do not change both, b/c that would hurt my feelings terribly. ty & Njoy! Dr. FThe Evil Dr. F  •  Boston globe bullhorn.png  •  Wordpress shovel.png   21:15, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Concerning the Rex Loader. At the moment there is a discrepancy between the article about him and the Enemies template: in the article he is an NPC, in the template - the boss. He categorized on Wiki as NPC and in the article about him it is clearly stated that the Vault Hunters never actually interact with Rex Loader directly. It begs the very obvious conclusion that entering this character into the template of enemies is a gross error. -- Thank you, Sega010 (talk) 22:47, May 7, 2018 (UTC).

"Bad format"?

Hey there! Just wondering why you undid the revision I did, adding links to the page that previously were not there? There wasn't any "bad format" as you put it. Just adding in the links that people forgot. Xnjono (talk) 00:39, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Added an excessive number of identical links. Added extra capital letters. The current format has already been verified. -- Sega010 (talk) 00:53, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
Now, you did well in Torgue page. -- Sega010 (talk) 00:56, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience

and your succinct explanations. I'll keep those in mind for future additions to the wiki. -- JumpingBamboo (talk) 23:24, March 31, 2019 (UTC)

Comment Tags

Can you leave the comment tags on pages when editing please? They're there for a reason. I notice you've been stripping out the interwiki link tags, but we really want to keep those. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:08, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

Of course, comments will be left in the tags. But another member adds them without explaining the reason. At the same time, he allows writing comments in different formats. It seems very suspicious. Therefore, they have been removed. -- With respect, Sega010 (talk) 23:26, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

Bone Shredder

Is there a template that states the Bone Shredder as a possible drop only from Bone Head 2.0? The mission loot and random templates don't seem to be the most accurate. WKPQ (talk) 16:25, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

I just saw your edit on the page. You can ignore this if need be. WKPQ (talk) 16:29, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

There is no separated template for dropping loot from enemies/unique enemies. -- Sega010 (talk) 16:32, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Recognized Editor

Hey there Sega, I'm not sure how I never came across you, as you seem to post a lot. Have you joined the Discord for this Wikia? MadCrayolaz ® 19:14, July 10, 2019 (UTC)

Yes i can try. -- Sega010 (talk) 23:38, July 10, 2019 (UTC)
Hey, no pressure. The Wiki staff are just preparing ourselves for the upcoming large number of edits that will come with the release of Borderlands 3. I'm just trying to be proactive and get quality editors within easy contact, so that the process can go smoothly. If you do end up joining the Discord, PM me at MadCrayolaz#6500. We appreciate your edits and quality content.
Yours truly, the management MadCrayolaz ® 13:58, July 11, 2019 (UTC)


I wish to discuss something with you privately, could you either tell me your Discord name or send me a message at Tephra#2372? And don't worry, it is nothing bad.
◄► Tephra ◄► 17:15, August 13, 2019 (UTC)

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HeyTots (talk) 15:52, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

COV vs 'Children of the Vault'

Which label should be used for weapons of that brand? You've added both for the weapon pages but only COV for the navbox. WKPQ (talk) 19:49, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Hi. "COV" tag should be used for weapon articles of COV weapons. I’ll create a draft article for an COV weapon manufacturer.
'Children of the Vault' is the name of the fraction, not the manufacturer. There must be a separate article for the faction (already exists). -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 19:55, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Should the weapon pages keep the 'Children of the Vault' category? WKPQ (talk) 19:58, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
No. -- Sega010 (talk) 20:03, September 15, 2019 (UTC)

Sacred Templates

I didn't "delete" anything?? Are you talking about the Moxxi page? I just added one image. I didn't "delete" anything, I didn't "change" anything. So what "damage" did I cause, exactly, pray tell? I see you reverted Awyman13's edit, which left the page EXACTLY as I left it after I was done with it. Ablake (talk) 18:22, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, confused with another member (with similar nickname). -- Sorry very much, Sega010 (talk) 18:30, September 16, 2019 (UTC)

Monsters that lore

Hey Sega, Vault monsters are a lore thing. PastorGL (talk) 21:30, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

In general, this is speculation. That is, any big or VERY BIG boss is a monster. For example, raid bosses, or Saturn.
I beg to stop speculation, they are not allowed on this wiki. -- Sega010 (talk) 21:37, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

BL3 Skill Trees

Hey, you probably already know, but I'm still working on the BL3 skill tree pages, and I will still be working on them for some time yet (more than half of them are still missing skill descriptions). They're not done yet.

Now, I don't see the point of having all those ";", but if you want to add them in, well, that is your decision, I won't stop you. Just don't complain that "I'm going behind you fixing your mess". No one is telling you to (AFAIK). If it's something that is REQUIRED by the wiki rules, then TELL me, and I'll fix the issues MYSELF.

Just so we're clear on this. Thanks. --Ablake (talk) 17:33, September 20, 2019 (UTC)

I will not bother you. Use my edits as a recommendation for the correct work with the code. -- Sega010 (talk) 17:37, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, line breaks in front of lists are an program editor error. Automatic affixed. -- Sega010 (talk) 18:01, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
I know I sounded rather aggressive earlier, but I didn't mean to be hostile. I take back what I said with the edit summary about ; and linebreaks. The ; thing is cool. --Ablake (talk) 19:34, September 20, 2019 (UTC)


My vpn broke, and thus I cannot talk to you on discord. Just a little thing: You'd not mind if I mention antagonist on impaler right?


Hey Sega

You use discord? I assume you do. Next time you wanna tell me something, leave me a discord message. I'm SUPER-TANK on discord by the way if u use it. VPN might be busted from time to time but i can still see it.

I'll just leave it blank 09:07, October 20, 2019 (UTC)SUPER4geditTANK

Rarity vandalism

I am not a normal wiki editor person, just a fan of the game trying to either expand info or add unlisted weapons to the wiki and I'll admit the editor setup confuses me a bit. I am learning on the go and I'm not sure where to find useful info.  Also, I'm not sure what you meant by your rarity posts to me. As far as I'm aware, they only drop in blue rarity for example and not the "Common" aka white rarity.

Aerotendo (talk) 23:17, November 4, 2019 (UTC)Aerotendo

Common is common, see Category:Rarity (no white, no blue and etc.). Common rarity (which is grey) has four color gradations. What could be incomprehensible here? Why don't you see how this is done in the finished articles? -- Sega010 (talk) 00:12, November 5, 2019 (UTC)

Can I ask how you made the Borderlands 1 invidual area maps? Like this one for example: 


Where did you get such a clean version of the map?  Did you extract it from the game somehow?  It doesn't look like a screenshot because it hasn't got the horizontal lines.

I'd like to create some more of these maps but would need some pointers on how to do it!

Drop me a message here:

Could you check my addition to a Random Template


I just did an edit to add a "planet" parameter to Template:Random and wanted to see if you'll check through it when you've got time and see if there's anything overtly wrong with it.  It is documented on the page but there's nothing complex going on, most of the change is to the formatting of the template code itself to be slightly more readable.  I used that parameter on Night Hawkin

Also, is there some sandbox somewhere to test template code?  In the case of the Night Hawkin page I also abused the loc2 parameter you added to list a second dedicated drop in a different area, but inlining more code in a template that is mostly used inline like Random is kinda messy and not really the best use of a parameter.  I was thinking of allowing multiples in something like bosslist / loclist comma delimited lists which are used as pairs instead of boss and loc if available, but that doesn't seem very simple in this template language without extensions.  Next thought would be adding new parameters instead, but I'd need to think of new naming for them since the numbered version is in-use for loc. 


Double Penetrating Boloney Poney (talk) 00:07, January 24, 2020 (UTC)

The number of parameters in the specified template was optimal until the last edit. The parameter "loc2" is universal and convenient to use since it has a short designation. Any long phrase can be inserted into the "loc2" parameter. If there is a long phrase and it is necessary to indicate the planet, then it is enough to use only one parameter, "loc2".
However, the current edition is correct. It can be used when creating new articles, but not to correct already written phrases. -- Sega010 (talk) 21:33, January 24, 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Yeah I wasn't planning on changing anything already using it, just updating Night Hawkin and saw the use. If you'd prefer keeping it to just the loc2 parameter I can always remove it and use the loc2 version as I was originally doing on that page; that is the only page I've used it on and this is the best time to remove it.
Do you mean optimal in terms of ease-of-use or is there some larger overhead server side for parameter checking as count increases? Thanks. --Double Penetrating Boloney Poney (talk) 00:08, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Not. This means that the fewer the parameters, the easier it is to use a template. In this case, the "Planet" parameter is a special case of the "loc2" parameter. -- Sega010 (talk) 00:19, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

Pre-Sequel Mission sequence


You just reverted some changes I did on Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel mission flow.  I'm currently playing the game meticulously by completing side missions in the first order and I believe my changes were correct.

For example: The Empty Billabong page says that mission is available after Systems Jammed. And indeed, mission is located in a place which is not accessible until the Systems Jammed is completed and a chunk of A New Direction.

Mefodii (talk) 08:47, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

The order of the missions is correct. For example.
A side mission is available during the execution of the current story quest. Consequently, the implementation of the current story task is not a prerequisite for taking a side mission.
Mission order in the Wikia's article is not a strict sequence recommended for completion. In addition, the game’s code contains the technical procedure for opening side quests.
In conclusion, I personally checked whether side quests can be completed until the full completion of certain storyline quests.
-- Sega010 (talk) 11:19, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
"A side mission is available during the execution of the current story quest." - That is exactly the problem I'm trying to understand. Because in current version of the page some side missions does not confirm what you are saying. 
"Mission order in the Wikia's article is not a strict sequence recommended for completion." - I'm not trying to make it into strict sequence. Just simple accessibility. <IF current main mission is X, THEN following side missions should become available> 
Perhaps a live demonstration will help prove me right about another example with mission Zapped 1.0?? If you agree please contact me on discord: Mefodii#3823, or send me your contacts?
Mefodii (talk) 11:39, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Some missions have not been checked for strict compliance, after which story quest it can be obtained.
Missions "Zapped" is a difficult case to build a sequence of missions. "Zapped 1.0" is available immediately after the start of the Systems Jammed mission. "Zapped 2.0" and "Zapped 3.0" are available after completing the first part of the mission chain and the appearance of Janey in Concordia. Janey in Concordia appears after completing the story task New Direction (requires confirmation). To simplify, the entire "Zapped" quest chain is placed after the New Direction.
-- Sega010 (talk) 14:47, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Well, that is exactly what I'm trying to organize now. 
Maybe that was an issue in a older version of game. Currently I'm playing on 1.0.7 and the thing are completely different from what you are describing. 
During Systems Jammed, "Zapped 1.0" cannot be proven as being accessible or not, because Moxxi has not oppened the access to Triton Flats location.
During New Direction, "Zapped 1.0" still not available neither on map, neither by approaching container.
And again, Mefodii#3823. We could solve the confusion much more effective and faster in that way.
-- Mefodii (talk) 15:11, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Side mission in this article is set after the completed story quest. Zapped 1.0 becomes available after completing the Systems Jammed task.
For the Zapped 1.0 mission, Janee's previous quests must be completed. This requires additional verification and clarification of the article, if necessary.
-- Sega010 (talk) 15:22, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
How can I prove that to you? Im currently on A New Direction and Zapped is not available at all. At all. 
Other two missions which I edited yesterday are becoming available exactly in the way i did my edit. 
You still refuse to accept that. 
Please help me solve it. 
Mefodii (talk) 15:48, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps your problem is your way of describing: <IF current main mission is X, THEN following side missions should become available>
The following description is used in the wiki article:
<IF previous completed story/main mission is X, THEN following side missions should become available>.
If the order of the missions in your personal opinion absolutely does not coincide with that sequence described in the article, then write a personal blog article. Then it will be possible for other players to compare the two options and clarify which one is correct. -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 16:34, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
P.S. Unfortunately, your theories do not confirm either Wikis in other languages, nor my personal gaming experience. Sorry.
Ok, let's take an actual example from the page and disscuss it. 
Here, what happens in the game. Upon starting Lost Legion Invasion, no additional side becomes available.
Upon finishing Lost Legion Invasion and starting Maroonedall 3 side missions are available. 
So, at this moment the actual flow should look either:
Which one corresponds with flow page actual design? 
Mefodii (talk) 16:46, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
This way corresponds:
-- Sega010 (talk) 17:21, January 26, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you :). Then I will make my future edits by this standard.
Mefodii (talk) 17:28, January 26, 2020 (UTC)

Video thumbnails

Are you absolutely sure that the gallery format is working as intended for those pages? I've checked the pages on Safari & Chrome and both are showing a cropped upper left corner of the video's thumbnail. The video will play but it's unwatchable. WKPQ (talk) 01:11, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I’m absolutely sure. If these problems are present on your personal device when playing in Chrome browser, then send message to the Fandom technical support to fix the problem. In browsers with a non-Webkit engine, starting a video will redirect the video to its page where it works like a regular video file. -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 01:44, June 21, 2020 (UTC)
Ok & thanks. WKPQ (talk) 02:10, June 21, 2020 (UTC)

Hyperion class mods

I don't mind leaving out the HyperionOld navbox when I check the rest of the class mods, but what about the Illusion mod? You removed both navboxes. WKPQ (talk) 17:36, July 28, 2020 (UTC)

Oops. -- Sega010 (talk) 18:38, July 28, 2020 (UTC)


Any particular reasons as to why you reverted my overhaul on Hyperion's page? RoachTheIntelCollector (talk) 14:57, July 29, 2020 (UTC)

Please do not break a well-designed format. At least two participants worked on it. I am inclined to think that you are vandalizing and provoking the participants to incite an edit war. -- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 15:03, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
"Well designed". I hope you know how broken these pages are on mobile. First of all, the headers you use to break up the games don't even function on mobile, leaving it a dilapidated mess of unorganization. Second, my intent is not vandalism. I only seek to refine the work that people have worked hard on to make it more accessible. Surely you'd understand that. Besides, what harm is there changing the headers into something that works, adjusting image placement, and fixing grammatical errors on the page? RoachTheIntelCollector (talk) 15:09, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
The page is optimized for viewing on a PC and for the old version of the Fandom engine.
Currently, there is no need to do so-called optimization for simplified viewing on mobile devices.
In the future, this entire Wiki will be moved to a new united platform, and we will all be happy to break the entire article and redo it into many small nondescript articles, in accordance with the new Wiki design policy. -- Sega010 (talk) 15:29, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
In addition, the article by a weapons manufacturer describes not only weapons which you call armaments for some reason. (this is about the header structure) -- Sega010 (talk) 15:39, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
Fine, fine. I'll leave it at that then. The only thing I seek to do on that page now is adjust small errors that you unintentionally reverted in your purge of my revisions and add a couple things. And for clarity, "armaments" means both weapons AND equipment. RoachTheIntelCollector (talk) 15:50, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
RoachTheIntelCollector has a point, the design is not very ideal, and not just for mobile users (which do make up the majority of this wiki's readers). The HeadingGame template is also using first-level headings, which should not be used in articles because the article name itself is h1 and the sections should all be subordinate to that. The UCP is just an upgrade to the MediaWiki engine, the decision to redesign something shouldn't be based on that, it should be based on when a redesign is a good idea. The increase in use of mobile devices and better understanding of SEO or site design in general bring us to a time when it is probably a good idea to consider changing some old styles that once seemed perfectly fine.
◄► Tephra ◄► 02:43, July 30, 2020 (UTC)


Could you be a bit nicer? It's a tad rude when you're frequently saying snide things like "Some format" or accusing people of vandalism when they're clearly not vandalizing anything or calling people's edits poor.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 17:50, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

Cutie Killer

What is it about my edit to the introductory paragraph that is poorly done? The "It is manufactured by scavs." feels out of place on its own and can be integrated into the first sentence. WKPQ (talk) 18:04, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

You write: the skavs manufactured [this gun] in the Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel. This is hardly a good expression ...
Why don't you like the standard intro paragraph phrase in weaponry? Why do you dislike simple sentences? If you don't like "it", write the weapon title in every sentence.
-- Best regards, Sega010 (talk) 18:17, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
I don't see how it's hardly a good expression. Other weapon pages use the same sentence structure of "manufactured by X in Y game". The "and is exclusive to Z DLC." fits properly and doesn't break any of the wiki's writing style rules.
I don't dislike simple sentences, but when you exclude it as a separate sentence, it comes off as being tacked on rather than properly written. Either way, To4oo4 has come up with a compromise that I can accept and hope you do too. WKPQ (talk) 18:44, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
For DLC weapons is used different phrases (and this is bad at the moment).
This type of phrase ("manufactured by X in Y game") is by no means the best, as it carries an incomprehensible meaning. Sorry, "that was so horribly illegible" as says To4oo4. -- Sega010 (talk) 19:32, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Don't include my signature in your messages, Sega. Thanks.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 19:41, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Incomprehensible meaning? How? It's perfectly comprehensible in proper English and it means exactly what it says from conveying weapon's manufacturer and the game it is in. Please explain what you mean by it being incomprehensible as well as what you think would be better introductory sentences for base game & DLC weapons. WKPQ (talk) 20:04, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
For example: GUN is the title of a group of common guns in Borderlands x. By logic, for DLC (first approach): Weapon is the title of a group of common guns in DLCy for Borderlands x.
At first there is only one short phrase and conveys the original title (strictly), (opt.) rarity, type, game / games and DLCs, if any. The manufacturer or/and obtaining, and other points are already described in the following phrases. Many projects follow this uncomplicated format.
-- Sega010 (talk) 20:32, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
That makes sense for common weapons but not unique ones. Why should the manufacturer be excluded from the first sentence? Isn't the weapon's brand just as important as its rarity or weapon type? WKPQ (talk) 20:58, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
The manufacturer is not included in the first sentence, as there may be many manufacturers and the phrase will become long and congested. Therefore, while maintaining a single format for all cases, manufacturer and manufacturers has to be put into a separate phrase. -- Sega010 (talk) 21:14, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Frankly, Sega, that doesn't make any sense. The wiki includes the manufacturer in the first sentence. It should stay that way. The sentence would not become long and congested, and even if it did, putting them all into one sentence would just do the same thing.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 21:16, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
ЭThis is already speculation. To4oo4, the principle is simple: stick to simple sentences. -- Sega010 (talk) 21:34, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
It isn't speculation. You can look at any page on the wiki as proof.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 21:36, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Why do we have to have only one format? It's only in Borderlands 3 that there are legendary items with multiple manufacturers (Widowmaker, Tran-fusion, Storm Front, Quasar) and that is in the vanilla game, not a DLC.
Even if there is a future game/DLC that runs into that problem, it can be addressed with:
GUN is the title of a group of legendary [Insert weapon type] in the Y DLC for Borderlands X and is manufactured by A, B, C, and D.
It's perfectly readable. WKPQ (talk) 21:44, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
What project or wiki? On this wiki, not all pages are the same due to the different types of content. More speculation?) -- Sega010 (talk) 21:45, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Let me know when you're ready to quit being snide and nonsensical, then we'll talk.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 21:48, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
What is the point of complicating one sentence? -- Sega010 (talk) 21:49, August 17, 2020 (UTC)
Join the wiki's Discord and see all of the explanations that show that you're not right. And, you know, it'd improve the communication between you and everyone else.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 21:51, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

Scout Comma

I removed that comma on the Scout page since it was unneeded, but if you think it's better to keep the comma, I'll leave it alone.~Tora (To4oo4) (talk) 14:33, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, copy-paste. -- Sega010 (talk) 16:29, August 18, 2020 (UTC)

Fustercluck DLC Enemies

I'm doubtful that David Caster has accurate info on the enemies that will be in the DLC.

He hasn't shared his sources and kept claiming in June that BL3 was going to be released on the Wii U. (It hasn't happened and there are no signs of it ever happening in the future.) As he has ignored CuBaN VeRcEttI's request to stop adding in false info on the Wii U, how are we supposed to trust him on the DLC? WKPQ (talk) 23:52, September 8, 2020 (UTC)

I don't really trust him either. Still, he contributed some of the images from the new addition. I think it's incorrect to add new enemies to the articles of old ones .. another engine .. rather, different names ... But at the same time, we cannot forbid him to do this. I see no reason to call his actions vandalism. It is sad ... -- Sega010 (talk) 00:04, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
May be, he is beta-tester? -- Sega010 (talk) 00:07, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
I'm doubtful he is one. If he indeed is a tester, he could at the very least explain it on his talk page. The Wii U thing reeks of a personal fantasy. There aren't any news articles that mention the game on the platform or the release date he claimed.
I'll hold off on removing the DLC's category until there's more gameplay of it. As for the BL3 enemies that are using a BL2 page, you wouldn't have a problem if I moved it to its own page? (Example: Goliath (Borderlands 3)) WKPQ (talk) 00:17, September 9, 2020 (UTC)
At the moment, there is no material for new articles. I suggest waiting for the new gameplay to have a reason to write them. Blank articles are very bad. -- Sega010 (talk) 00:40, September 9, 2020 (UTC)