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Fire Water Balance
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Now for the question. I have no issue with your usage of a save modifier, and I don't honestly think that anyone else on the wiki will either. I have only one concern. All the variants you have posted are legitimately obtainable, right? That is to say that someone who plays vanilla could (potentially) get EXACTLY the same gear. I'm in no way insinuating that they are not obtainable, and if they are then I thank you for adding them, as we have a lack of the new highest tier gear in our charts.
Perhaps one more thing. According to this wiki's images policy all images must be published to a page and categorized within 24 hours of upload, or they may be marked for deletion. I maintain the "pix without cats", so you will usually not have to worry about your images being deleted, but it is always better when the uploader categorizes the pictures. You can do this when using the upload page by typing [[Category:<Category Name>]] in the summary field. For weapon images, the category is Images of weapons (note that the 'w' is lowercase, we have another category Images of Weapons, please do not use it). Other equipment has similarly named categories. If you're ever not sure what category an image should be in, feel free to ask. Categories are the main thing I do on the wiki, so I'll probably know where to stick the pic.
I'm looking forward to many more edits from you in future. The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 13:00, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I noticed that later when looking at the wiki rules and general stuff, but I didn’t know where any list of categories were, any help with that?

To respond to the question about the ability to obtain said items, it is possible in their current forms, I won’t add any that I built from scratch because I don’t know if they are possible to be found that way, I do however find a good amount of legendaries because I enjoy the legitimate item as much as the next guy. There is an Item that I will gladly take down which is the Explosive Norfleet, I put that up because at one point before a hot fix it was dropping and maybe some players would like to know out of curiosity what a Norfleet like that would be, since at one point it was legitimately obtainable.

As a counter question would it be ok to make a page explaining the various parts of guns in detail, because although it’s a hidden part of the game I think it would bring understanding about the drop system in the game and how the randomizer makes you your gun, or why your gun stinks when you compare it to your friends’. Gibbed Talk 20:11, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
A categories list can be found here, though it is INCREDIBLY large. I focus my time on categories and I'm not sure I've been through all of them yet. In so saying that, if you do need help knowing which specific category to use, I'm open for questions. On a sidenote, the categories list can actually be added to your "tool-bar" at the bottom of your page. I'm glad we agree about the variants, and thank you for taking down the norfleet. I'll be honest, I actually have (or at least had) one of those myself, it is quite the weapon, but unfortunately, due to it no longer being possible, it really doesn't belong in the charts.
That is an interesting counter-question. We currently have a section of the Weapons page and some charts that relate to the difference found from different parts, though I think that those may mostly relate to the first game (when we had FAR more knowledge about weapon parts). I would be interested to an extant in learning about part functionality in BL2, though I'm not sure that articles would be the best way to do it, especially if you want to explain things like "why your gun stinks when you compare it to your friends’". A blog may be a more suitable venue, either way, it would certainly improve the wiki.
The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 03:43, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well weapon parts aren’t that different compared to how they were in BL, In fact it’s mostly the same, I would love to take the time to make pages related to Weapon Scopes and how it affects damage and accuracy and all that, along with how a Capacitor on a Shield can make all the difference. I would do it in a manor where it’s like an explanation of the effects of different manufacturers capacitors/scopes/barrels/accessories on certain items or the type of item in general.

Example of which being the Explosive Norfleet which is made up of these parts <

And what kind of accessories are allowed on Rocket launchers, more specifically the Norfleet <

And maybe even explain how to tell what kind of parts you have WITHOUT a save editor, because they do change the appearence of the gun. Gibbed Talk 20:43, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

How would you structure these articles? One large article about all gun parts and what they do, or attempt to have a page for each section of the gun/item?
If you are going to go into specifics of a gun it may be possible to fit that into the weapon's page somehow... and that last part, about being able to identify parts... that interests me a great deal. If a user is capable of identifying weapon parts and knows the possible parts for a weapon, they can effectively check if a weapon is possible. As of now, we don't actually have any way of testing for legitimacy in BL2 gear, aside from stated facts like "Norfleets can't be explosive". Having a genuine method would be a HUGE improvement. Still not entirely sure how to best display it to the populace....
Awhile ago, Robot suggested doing more with guides on the wiki, sadly his proposal didn't get enough attention to get pushed through.
I understand the base idea of what you want to do, I'm just unsure about specifics at the moment. The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 05:19, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

The basic Idea/ Structure would be to include footnotes on items to say that they have (such and such) barrel (unique to this item) because there only a few that do that, and a few new pages that are titled (Barrels (Rocket Launchers)) With the general RL barrels (explaining the Elemental chance increase of using a maliwan barrel etc.), then the unique barrels, What those do, such as a patterns and or special gun effects. All those flavor texts come from the barrel. Before they made extremely cheaty items impossible to make and play with, I was fooling around with a rocket launcher with the infinity barrel. It looked wird but it served it purpose.

Along with that, most of the time, the Items title comes from the accessories on it. I would explain what all accessories there are, for what types of guns, and what do they do. Gibbed Talk 11:53, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

Edit: I just found this page: Although its still missing everything besides barrels. Gibbed Talk 20:16, October 2, 2013 (UTC)

hat page is it that you have found, specifically? The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 01:17, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Didnt paste correctly :* Gibbed Talk 01:20, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Try putting a ":" after the double bracket and before the name (i.e. [[:<page name>]]). The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 04:12, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Borderlands_2_Weapons Gibbed Talk 11:55, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

see Forum:Ask_the_experts._Is_this_Modded?. /Parts or /Legitimate Parts can be a valid subpage of any (weapon/item) article. note that in the previous game users amassed volumes of data. with the new rules this should be a less daunting task if no less verbose.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  05:09, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
Then expect to see a parts page soon behind all the base item classesand then eventually behind the Unique items. Gibbed Talk 11:49, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


I figured I would do you a favor and template your signature for you. On this wiki you aren't supposed to have a signature exceeding a number of characters and blah blah blah (yeah, I'm clearly excellent at my job). Anyhow, I have created for you, a signature page and a signature reference page. Go into your preferences located at the top right (inside the profile drop down list) and paste this -> {{SUBST::User:Gibbed User/sig_ref}} into the signature box (make sure you're allowing wikitext in your signature).
Now for the explaination of what this means. Basically, the reference page points at a signature you have made, and allows you to show that signature off without flooding pages with code. If you ever want to change what your signature is, you can either edit your signature page, or make a new one and just change where the sig ref is pointing (the sig ref only has {{User:Gibbed User/sig}} in it, you can make a new page in your userspace and then just change it to, for example, {{User:Gibbed User/sig2}}).
If you have any questions (I'm not the best at explaining sig templating, so I expect you might) feel free to ask me. The Delightful Doomsayer Fire Water Balance cropped Balance in Destruction 03:55, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks and test Gibbed Talk 20:26, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

History reoccurring

On the original BL, Happy was in charge of the weapon pages and Nagy was in charge of recognizing modded weapons. There was pages and pages of parts listings and pictures of each part. I will look more into it when I have some time.

If you are checking into adding BL2 stuff, I would check with those 2 users to gain knowledge through experience. I know Happy had to go through and make the whole weapon pages match each other... It would be good to have a base start out right without having to change stuff later. His experience, as well as Nagy's, may be a life saver of work. Final signature 06:10, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Read Gibbed Talk 03:15, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

Revert summary

Please leave a summary anytime you revert. This gives a heads up for anyone who needs to look after the page. It is also Wikia Guidelines. I appriciate your follow up on the talk page, those also help. Final signature 07:04, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I hit enter to start a new row and accidently published. He took out the trivia section. Gibbed Talk 15:55, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

No problem... like I said, his talk page was a good move. I put a {{warn}} tag on his talk page because he also wiped the categories and the interwiki link (from the history of the page). Also in his contributions I saw that he took out links to who made the transformers and made it look like hasbro invented them. Someone else corrected it.

On skin pages: No problem, every addition is more work (I blame the developers). Final signature 20:37, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Read Gibbed Talk 03:15, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

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