Dr. Clayton Forrestor

aka Dr. F, Evil, The

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Think setting up a disclaimer discouraging mod requests, or maybe a separate trading forum for mods might help reduce the ragey conflicts around here? [[User:Whackygord|WhackyGordon]] 20:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
Think setting up a disclaimer discouraging mod requests, or maybe a separate trading forum for mods might help reduce the ragey conflicts around here? [[User:Whackygord|WhackyGordon]] 20:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
ty for calling me out on this issue WhackG. _i_ do not want to discourage mod requests because:
ty for calling me out on this issue WhackG. _i_ do not want to discourage mod requests because:
# it gives modders something social to do
# it gives modders something social to do
# modded content is only disallowed in the mainspace (main namespace) of the wiki
# modded content is only disallowed in the mainspace (main namespace) of the wiki
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# _i_ want to keep the forums neat
# _i_ want to keep the forums neat
# putting up an artificial wall between opposing sides is futile when each can still troll the other sides forums
# putting up an artificial wall between opposing sides is futile when each can still troll the other sides forums
# ragers ''_will_'' rage even if its about how DLC4 should have had a better name.
# ragers ''_will_'' rage even if its about how DLC4 should have had a better name.
i say '''''_i_''''' because this is only my opinion. you are welcome to broach the subject with the other sysops, warblade and claptrap are available. {{:User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/sig}} 20:46, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
i say '''''_i_''''' because this is only my opinion. you are welcome to broach the subject with the other sysops, warblade and claptrap are available. {{:User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/sig}} 20:46, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that answers my question quite nicely. I just wish people would relax and be constructive more.. [[User:Whackygord|WhackyGordon]] 21:03, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

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Dr F Logo simple

You listen up, cyber-monkeys, or it's 'The Box'!

exerpt from forum re:dlc

"maybe not a whole planet . . .id settle for a forest moon . . . with ewoks to shoot (heh, heh)Dr. Clayton Forrestor 10:41, December 2, 2009 (UTC)"


Hi, my screen name is Dr. Clayton Forrestor. you can call me Dr. F. i am a sysop (administrator) for this wikia. if i can be of service in any way please contact me. enjoy.

Minions of Dr. F


The Chatting Sysops

DR. F available for chat on aim/google user = DrCForrestor - and on xfire = drclaytonforrestor

ClaptrapTorgueSig is available as thedarkestmeepit on google

Fenrakk Sig is available as Fenrakk101 on google

I prefer MSN over AIM =P Fenrakk Sig 18:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Glossary of (un)familiar terms

drop your term here and someone will define it.

shotty: shotgun

DPS: damage per second

proc: Proc is a common term used primarily in game programming to refer to an event - a "procedure" - triggered under particular circumstances.

stack: end result is additive (+150% critical damage from sniper rifle stacks with mordecai's +6% critical damage from deadly skill)

RB: Right Bumper

DOT: damage over time

area of effect: "splash damage" non-point focal damage over area

FPRPG: first person role playing game

Flinch: is when you shoot an enemy and they temporarily stop, like how shooting a charging Badass Psycho enough can make it stop for a moment.

Non-Trigger Damage: bullet and rocket damage only, not elemental (proc:see above) damage. directed damage not involving DOT or area of effect.

Accuracy Recovery: this is the time it takes your sights to stop wavering and give you an _accurate_ sight picture.

construct: a weapon/item put together in WT so that it is legit however it has all parts geared for a purpose (damage, tech, ROF, recharge, regen, power)

namespace: user namespace

mainspace: main namespace

speedloader: the half/full moon clips depicted in the game, used to load revolver, shotgun and sniper cylinders.

The Fudd: the seeming dance performed by players sorting through craw or loot-n-the-box drops. slowly moving, weapon in hand, looking down or directly ahead. "be vewy kwyette, im hunting ___"



A, Dr.F, are you a real Dr., or is that just your screen name?

i am in fact not a doctor of any kind. dr clayton forester was a character from war of the worlds and on mystery science theater 3000, a tv show on comedy central and the sci-fi channel.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  17:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
Dr F you just sent me a message, i cannot sign up for an account, i use my work computer and they block the hell out of the things we can do, so in advance i am sorry if i messed up something, i am well behaved so you should not have any problems, and if i posted this in the wrong spot i am very sorry thank you XBOX GT SinsterNobody PS i am about to leave work so i wont have access for long, if you need to let me know anything

doh! hope i didnt set off any firewall alarms;0) just wanted to know why you could not get an account. "the boss is watching" is the best one i can think of. Chemicalweapon Dr. F


Do only sysops,moderators or admins get unique custom signatures? ☻BLObOrt☻ 16:18, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, Any user can have a custom signature if they wish, there is a section on my talk page which tells you how, look for Claptraps post< J-nox greenTalkpage green greenContributions green 16:58, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

j-nox is correct. anyone can have a custom sig. make a page with your sig. then make a page refering to the first. enter the second page into your preferences pane for signature. it is preferable to have these pages under your user:namespace (such as user:blobort/sig & user:blobort/sig/prefs)   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  20:20, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Just a little help with mine a min, i think i'm getting there just need a push. IDave Ja Vu

been there. done that.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  07:35, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: migration :common

Why list it common if it's name is in blue? ~~Fen

it _could_ be green or purple. its variable, this would avoid color confusion. or thats the idea anyway. -dr. f

I see, its for guns with multiple possible rarities in the wild. What if "(Common)" then linked to an article describing that, so any visitor that isn't sure what it meant could easily find out. And then all the "(Orange)"'s could be changed to "(Rare)" or "(Legendary)". Just thinking out loud. Thanks. --31stCenturyMatt 12:41, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

while your thinking why not add some o' that to page?   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  14:12, July 10, 2010 (UTC) my thinking is explain it where the link leads. editing that page will not affect the categorization.

Hmmm ... what improvement does it provide to change from "White/Green/Blue/Purple" to "Common"? What's the goal? -- MeMadeIt 17:12, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

intended goal is relief of perceived color requirements for (multicolourarity) items. your example of White/Green/Blue/Purple yields Category:White/Green/Blue/Purple which just gets silly. the rarity color is still available for personal pages as i will soon show. possibly only for those pages if this is followed by 3.1kmatt's idea.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  02:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Common

Sounds like a good idea, could add some more order - perhaps the category could state that they are, of course, common, and can drop from bandits, lance, etc or something of that nature. -- ClaptrapTorgueSig Claptrap icon Jakobscoveclaptrapz 23:36, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


I can't get these working... Now whenever I load into the map hub the game loads a brand new Lvl 1 solider character rather than my main character. I think the fact that I have a Steam copy of the game might have something to do with me not being able to work them. Bukkithead 01:43, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

yes, you are correct sir. steam requires maneuvres of a different stripe. let me see if i can hunt that down.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  11:33, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


Since I spend nearly one week with Starting the Game, Checking Vendors and exiting the Game to find a weapon like that chimera of mine, I am a little bit ... let's call it confused ... what it is to make you think it is modded. I can't say Savage Chimeras are rare and it wasn't my first one either. Mitleidspender 21:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

damage requires material 3. with that set of parts bloody has a higher priority and pearl is higher still. even barrel 1 is bloody with mag 5. others must have been mag 4, 2 or 1.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  21:39, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

sig images

Is there a way to get my scorpio turret from appearing on the main page every time I sign off?  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     23:26, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

oddly no, not until the server resets. that could be two days, but usually 12 hours. this happens to everyone, even when they just change or rename the image. the good thing is its a real spiff image.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  23:44, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Q&A/Gearbox Userbox

Hey Dr.F. I just made a Q&A Userbox and a Gearbox weapons Userbox and was wondering if you could add it to the userbox gallery for me. I tried and when I hit preview... It didn't go well.   Uberorb Bio melt  

Q And A Member
This user is part of the
Borderlands Q&A Wiki
{{User Q And A Wiki}} {{User Gearbox weapons}}

Ok. I didn't know it had to be a Userbox Gallery and in source mode... I put them both in there, and I'm 99.999% sure that I did it right.


I created this account as you suggested. Do you happen to know the answer to my question in the forum post: How do I duplicate items on 360 using split sceen?

Andrews213 07:13, July 19, 2010 (UTC)Andrews213

My sig.../

As you probably know, my sig (made by fry) takes up like 4 lines of code and he expects me to be able to customize my sig but i cant bcus my comp. wont allow...and for some reason he wont reply to me when i leave him a message so can you please contact and explain to him that i need a sig...thx JCEHunter

undo his last edit to your sig page. and maybe stop making demands and learn how to talk to people. unless you meant to come off as a spoiled child, in that case, mind me not. carry on.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  18:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC).

Can u dup me a x4 nemisis and a serpens? (downfall443) Can u dup me a x4 nemisis and a serpens? - User:Downfall443

My sig

i neeeeddd a sig...fry isnt replying to my pleas of a needed sig...he said (as you probably know) that my regular sig takes up 4 lines of code...have a remedy? my comp. wont allow me to customize my sig—Preceding unsigned comment added by JCEHunter (talkcontribs)

as above - undo his last edit to your sig page.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  18:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC).

Signature help!

Hey Doc,

I just made my own custom signature, and have changed the preferences so it comes up when I put the four tildes. Problem is, the date and time of the any post I make seems to be included within the box of my signature. How can I fix this?   Bukkithead Orsmsig   22:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

you are missing a </span> add at end and try again.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  22:27, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that seems to have worked :D   Bukkithead Orsmsig   22:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Additional Userboxes

Hey Dr.F. I spent a LOT of time today making a bunch of userboxes and was wondering if they could be included in the Userbox gallery. It would probably take a long time to add 'em all in, so I was thinking about adding a link to all the Userboxes.

Maybe just have a link at the bottom that says Additional Userboxes or something like that. I'm happy with how they all turned out.   Uberorb Bio melt  

we have been watching you make them. i like what you have done however, i want to keep the gallery standard high and the page uncluttered. i think the ubxs added earlier today will fit nicely, add the rest to Talk:Userbox gallery as i mentioned on your talk page. thank you for all your hard work.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  23:47, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Photo deletion

Hey Dr.F. I decided to redo some of the pictures and instead of updating them, I uploaded new pictures. Since the newer pics are better quality, is there a way to delete pictures that I uploaded, because I looked around a little, but couldn't find an answer.   Uberorb Bio melt  

only sysops, bureaucrats & staff can delete. edit the pages of the images no longer needed with {{speedydelete|author request}} and i will get to them directly.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  20:55, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought

Hey Doc, I was just thinking; just as 'Muster by System' is split into subpages according to, well, system (oddly enough) whether it would be possible to do the same for the Item Trading forum? I think it would make finding trades/eligible people finding your trade much easier if the forum was subdivided like that.

i shall endeavour to make it so. Dr. F
did. anybody wanna help?   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  19:48, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

On a related note, Muster by PC seems to have disappeared from the 'Muster by System' Page...   Bukkithead Orsmsig   17:48, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

header was overwritten by wheeldogz and i did not catch it. many thanks.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  18:05, July 21, 2010 (UTC) ps - i adore the awesomeface sig
I can help if you want but I'm not entirely sure what I should do... :s   Bukkithead Orsmsig   22:09, July 21, 2010 (UTC) ps - thanks, I am quite proud of it :D (took me ages to find one that worked properly in the sig)

Dr.F You now have a new monion to help you move all of those item trading pages to the correct forums.   Uberorb Bio melt  

go for it lads.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  14:55, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Did I have it wrong for the pc forum? I just copied & pasted it. I'll start using the one you put in there.   Uberorb Bio melt  

no change. i just suggested that so you/we can copy paste without editing for pagesource. undo if you like.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  16:08, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok. when I'm editing, I have the page that I'm editing open and another with the templates on my talk page in edit, so I can click on the template, ctrl C, click on the old template on the page I'm editing and ctrl V. It's working really nicely for me.   Uberorb Bio melt  

dont mind me. Newbie Pic   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  16:43, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Well. I made a dent in the list. Got up to March 12. I need a break. If I see another "I NEEED xxxxx to kill Cramatrax" I'm gonna lose it. Break time!   Uberorb Bio melt  
does take a toll, dont it? - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

We broke through to April (whoop whoop!). At least I'm getting major edit counts for this - I've effectively quadrupled my edit count (yay)   Uberorb Bio melt  

Bukkithead and I are done moving all of the pages!!! all that's left are pages that can be deleted. There is one that needs to be deleted right away. It's got some weird code in it.   Uberorb Bio melt  

Indeed, that is the case. Some of the crap that was lurking in the forums... Just, wow. I actually saw an entry that started with the poster saying that he was aware that the topic was not about item trading. And another asking for a gun that shoot faeces. I feel like we've cleaned up the place... good time for a shower.   Bukkithead Orsmsig   16:20, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

One last thing, are the separate pages staying as is or going under the main Item trading page (like the Muster page)?   Bukkithead Orsmsig   16:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

the main category will be removed from the forum list and held in reserve to watch for misplaced threads.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  16:39, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think that everyone who helped earned this...   Uberorb Bio melt  

Award Pic Awarded for Moving.
{{User Award|for=Moving}}

Honestly, I tried to make a userbox with parameters, but my copy & paste attempts failed. I will look it up in the help section right now.   Uberorb Bio melt  

ps the moving award one was just a special one since moving ALL those pages was a (ungodly) task, but I like the Idea of the parameter usbx for various awards.

Ok... I tried but the parameters are just a little over my head. Think you could fix This?   Uberorb Bio melt  

i will get on that after midday break. ty for doing the research.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  17:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC) ps yes, you 2 get one when its done. - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

Wow. The awards look great. So now I'm guessing that they can be customized and given out for various deeds and such?   Uberorb Bio melt  

indeed. that is why i asked it to be changed. please note changes to template for future ref. Bravo Zulu to both of you!   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn 

pearlscent weapons

If your still doing pearlscent weapon things i would like a few i have a mic i left a messege on the forum PSN SPAWN-o-GRIMMACE

sorry GRIM-SPAWN. i am not the original poster, i was just tidying the page. - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

side effects

we need a good long list of crazy-ass side effects. e.g.: "do not take ENGORGE! if you or your loved one plan to become pregnant as ENGORGE! will turn your baby into a firemonster Goddam Sexual Tyrannosaurus." (snl)   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   06:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

the credit was well-deserved and -earned.   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   04:09, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ammo Regeneration

Hey Dr.F. I was looking over class mods and I noticed that on the siren's merc. mod, it's listed as 0-31 smg ammo regen. I think that this should be changed to +28, as I have only seen them go that high. I have seen the +31 before, but on modded level 61's and Bad@ss class mods. The soldier is listed as +27 as well and it's only on modded level 61's and WeeWee's super booster mods. The highest obtainable in the game is +24, so should this be changed?   Uberorb Bio melt  

high end COMs should spawn @ craw & 3pdlcs. wait a bit and well take a look, but im thinking yes as 3pdlc=unsupported.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  04:36, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
I have a +29 merc  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     06:06, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

from Crow's Nest? or supported game? what level?   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  06:18, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Knoxx. level 55.  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     07:24, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. That's weird. I've found a crazy amount of merc mods, but they all cap out at 28 regen. I'm still not sure about the soldier and +27 though.   Uberorb Bio melt  

new forum page creation intro

Is there something that can be done to MediaWiki:Newarticletext to make it more original & ensure that fewer people remove the forumheaders?  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     15:06, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

ty nagy for looking that up. is it better now? i changed the pageheadings yesterday. i tried creating one today and was presented with nothing to overwrite.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  18:54, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

rakk question

In the in game loading screen it says there is a type of rakk called "fledgling rakk" I think there is another one that doesn't show up either. Were these just removed from the game? Helpme19 02:20, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

a very good question. look for fledgling rakk around fyrestone PT1 and i will look as well. some content did not make the final cut, notice your proficiency lowers the level of weapons once equipped.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  02:23, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

LF Services...

Should LF-xxxxx- be moved to the item trading section, even though it's technically not an item? I know that there are a couple of things such as LF powerleveler, LF Craw team, ect.

Since I now know how to migrate pages do you think it would be a good idea to move these pages to their respective item trading categories when they appear?   Uberorb Bio melt  

took me 15 minutes to figure out LF = looking for. vanguard's is in the right place. if you desire you may edit Uaticker's since that user has not edited or logged into wikia since 30mar10. i do not think all LF's should be moved as looking for does not imply 'i will bribe you with' as demonstrated by Uaticker. if you see something you feel must be moved, go ahead. you might get reverted but you obeyed your conscience. if you become troublesome i will give you a one week timeout. NBD, look how many times we blocked d1g.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  19:24, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I wasn't trying to cause any trouble or anything, just wanted to know if you thought it made sense to have the LF's in item trading. I'll won't change anything then...   Uberorb Bio melt  

Category:Alien Guns

The hydra kept resurfacing every time a head was cut off because there were several prominent links pointing back to it. I've just removed three main ones. Hopefully that will slow it down a bit more than just turning the category into a redirect. -- WarBlade 02:22, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

as i see it, it is only linked to talk pages now.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  02:40, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the idea. The three I fixed up were two articles pointing to "Alien Guns", which itself was a redirect to the category of the same name. I suspect those two articles were a prime reason why the category kept resurfacing. -- WarBlade 02:44, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

achivement problem

this problem has been driving me crazy forever now. when i got the game i played it for ours on end with brick and i got to like lvl 37 once i beat it once, at the time i didnt have the expantions yet so i stopped playing for a while. a bit after cristmas i bought underdome and zombie island. when i turned tha game back on to play, it would let me access my acout and said it wasnt in that file,, i tried everything to fix it but it nothing worked so i deleted the acount and strarted again with mordecia. i am now at lvl 53 with everything beat but 3 missions in secret armory. heres the new problem, since i started playing the new acount, i never unlocked 1 achivement. i knew something was up because i didnt have any lvl achivements or the 10 missions in fyrestone. can i fix this, worst comes to worst i wast another 60 hours off my life because i have to redownload the game. plz get back as soon as u have spare time.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleesh (talkcontribs) 18:47, 27 July 2010

you should be able to save any number of characters with an account. im curious as to why and how you deleted your account. if this is still your active account (deleted or not) you will see no progress on a new/offline account. please check your account settings with xboxlive playstation network and confirm which account has right of way. i have no idea what may have happened to your brick. the account is online but saves are local (hence the save editing, maybe backup next one).   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  01:17, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
what about the achivement problem. also i have ps3 not 360.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleesh (talkcontribs)

sorry, implied meaning was only an active account may earn achievements. were you able to confirm which account is active? try here. dont know where i got xbox, you didnt mention a system in your initial query.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  22:23, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Prank userbox

Hi Dr.F I made a userbox with a picture of a green claptrap that says "He's watching you..." Do you know of a way to make the userbox say the name of the person viewing on the next line as kind of a joke.

I think it would be sweet for example to have you click on some ones userpage and have it say "He's watching you... Dr. F". Just wanted to know if this is something that I (or you) would be able to do...   Uberorb Bio melt  

Fancy signatures messing up text wrap?

I've noticed a couple of the fancy sigs seem to be messing text wrap.

Specifically, whenever I post after Bukkithead or Uberob, my text doesn't wrap. If I move my post ahead of theirs, the text will wrap correctly.

I've notice that, unlike yours, Nag's, and others', these two guys have an extra vertical bar character that appears on the next line below their sigs.

Examples: Your own talk page and

Could you take a look at their sigs and see what's wrong? Or is it me?

THX! -- MeMadeIt 01:18, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

better now?   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  02:04, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry if I was screwin anythig up, I copy and paste alot, so something could of went wrong... OrbTalk
dont worry orb. i didnt catch it either until MMI said something. go ahead and use your sig with my last edit. i checked its fine.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  06:02, July 29, 2010 (UTC) ps changing sig doesnt change past sigs which used your template

Great! That worked! Silly cut-n-pasters. ;) -- MeMadeIt 05:54, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Pearl rarity hypothesis

I'm a religous follower of both the wiki and Gearbox forums.

There is one theory I have that I have not observed on any of the two forums. When I first started farming Crawmerax I couldn't get a pearl for weeks. My friends and I farmed and farmed again with no pearls. Most of my 660 class mods and my legendaries come from this period.

I was told by someone in a public game that weapon quality increased with the number of missions completed. At this point I gained 100% completion on my powerleveled siren, including the third detonation of the Crimson Armory. At this point I would get a pearl drop every day on average. I actually recieved my sixth less remarkable than the first Rose shield and a very nice Jackal in the same Cramerax kill.

My question is this; is there an intangible that the community has overlooked such as the amount of money held, missions completed, all three armory detonations completed, or number of critical hits?

I very rarely post, and do not understand the Wiki, so if you find any merit with these questions feel free to share them in the correct venue Willp602 09:24, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I am honestly surprised that the GBXforums have not completely brainwashed everyone into thinking the wiki people are a bunch of retards. Moving right along. Most of the Craw runners have all missions completed, and either have max money or ~10mil like I do (I frequent the Bullet just to keep death costs down). I would think that the forum people would have cracked an intangible determinant by now.  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     09:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
actually, i figured this out the first time i went up against craw with an uncompleted mission line. the loot sucked, i figured it was a bum run and tried again. the loot sucked. i confirmed this with my siren who piggy backed (read:sidelined it and manned the elevator) to 61. i tried her in the crow's nest. the loot sucked. since catching her up on missions i do not go after any boss fights w/o a _completed_ mission line. thank you for bringing this up because i thought everybody knew and i was just slow figgering it out. Loot is better with 100% missions. the money bit is likely but unsubstantiated. if i do one armory i do them all so i do not know on that front. critical hits should only count toward proficiency however comma you could look into that.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  10:05, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


Can you check the Ironclad talk page?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:30, 29 July 2010

i did, it took me time to research your links. i suggest you look into duncanfogg's research. please remember "i got it from a friend" _never_ counts.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  01:41, July 30, 2010 (UTC)


Dont worry the custom sig. box was auto checked, but it was fixed when i found out how it works.BLObOrt 08:51, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

claptrap gallery

the new pics look pretty damn cool. i also enjoyed the names given to the files; thought they were quite witty, so i was a little surprised that you didn't share the names on the gallery...?   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   19:12, August 1, 2010 (UTC) trying the dlc fix today, thanks.

name=mouseover   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  19:58, August 1, 2010 (UTC) working on that

RE: DLC3 half-priced

Consider adding the new discount to the article? e.g. 800 but was reduced to 400 on #date  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     09:56, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

wiki news said this is one week and gold members only so i should think not unless noted expiration date. - Chemicalweapon Dr. F


Nice work, I hail from the CoD wiki, Just wanted to check stuff out. Damn you guys are good. Uhh...Dark Anomaly around? {{SUBST:Sig/BravoAlphaSix}} 18:18, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

thank you, we try. DA has not been here in a few months. if you are staying for supper call your mother and wash your hands.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  04:35, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

dj doc f

that is super-freakin'-tastic! thanks much!   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   19:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

i think my chopper pic overrode the previously existing pics. would you kindly undo? the fry_chopper.png is mine.   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   04:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

not necessary. leoray has already made a unique chopper file as you did and noone bitched when leoray overwrote it last time.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  04:41, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

blog permissions?

"You cannot add comment to blog." But it's only that blog (entry), I can comment on many others.  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     23:04, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

i believe kobsteer has closed his/her blog to comments. being a biographical log this is possible.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  04:30, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Dr.F, I was messing around on My Test Page and i was resizing the Bio melt icon I use for my talk, and I used 21, 20, and 19 pixels and on any of the that have 20px for the size, a picture of a question-box in a square appears instead of the Bio melt pic. I was wondering if this happens for you as well, or if it's the fact that I'm on a laptop that is half as good as my normal computer at home. I don't know if it's a glitch, or just the fact that I'm on a laptop and the internet connection up here probably isn't the best.   Uberorb Bio melt  

do you still have this problem? i looked at test page and nothing was obscured. i did notice a lag in images earlier today, could this have been the problem? Dr. F


i was having troubles with the server as well. problems have ended.   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   06:05, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, most of the images seem to be appearing that weren't before, except my Sigs with the picture adjusted to 20px. If you can see them, it might just be something on my end... guess I'll live with it for a few more days. When I get back from vacation and get on my "good" computer, I'm guessing it'll work fine then.   Uberorb Bio melt  

looks fine to me. i recommend the bold 20 or the 19 standard for box and definition. now stop playing with the wiki and enjoy your vacation. dont make me block you, because i wont. - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

Not Sure Who To Give This To

I have the entire narrative for DLC4. That is, I'm pretty sure I have text of all spoken stuff for the entire DLC. I tried to edit the DLC4 page, but I suck at wiki's. Anyhow, I have the text file right out of the installer if you would be interested.-Zackh411

ok. ill bite. even though you just tried to add patch 1.31 as a category to the dlc4 page. mail it to can figure out how to do that from the information on _this_ page.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  05:25, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. I will need your email address, and, as I said before, I suck at Wiki's... By that I mean, I read Wikis, and do not typically edit them. -Zackh411

as i said my address is described on this very page. (2 of them actually)   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  05:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, figured that out about 10 seconds after I posted. Lemme know if you got it - ZH


apparently the patch 1.31 released on the 4th contains subtitles of the forth dlc. - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

and if this is a hoax. it is the best i have seen and worthy in its own right.
If it's a hoax, it's so good someone will make a 3PDLC for it.   GnarlyToaster -Talk-   08:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

oddly there was an aborted attempt at this in the GBX forums. as i recall it was in a cave and this is out in the open with junkyards and a (hyperion) factory.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  08:46, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's a hoax. I pulled the file by accident out of the 1.31 update for pc. Point of fact, there are doZens of files straight up labelled "dlc4" in there. Furthermore, at like 200mb, the patch is WAY too big to be just the balance passes described in the patch notes.... If it's a hoax it's a rather elaborate one.... So unless DLC4 for Borderlands is actually like HalfLife3 or something, I'd say it's reliable enough.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

dotfivenine is correct. the text for the achievements and missions is in the patch (.cab) and in your install after you have applied the patch. only look if you must as it does contain spoilers.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  12:27, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


spoilers are well and cool but daddy needs 'is 'chievements. wat's the deal-o with the steam achievements? steam purchase-only?   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   06:59, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

deal-e-o with achievements is they are steam only. i am almost certain that purchase of game through steam is not required. by that i mean that if you install the game from jewel case dvd and install steam then valve software should recognize gearbox software and follow it for achievements provided steam is left on.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  07:07, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Construct weapons?

Consruct weapons. What are they because I am pretty stupid and I can't figure out what they are? BLObOrt 22:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

ignorance is not stupidity. constructs are designed items which _could_ spawn in the game but are very rare(1/87bazillion). notably constructs use all 5's for rarity, all 3's for tech' or all 4's for power.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  03:46, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

And how come so many of the edits I do are getting revised and a separate page created for the,?!?!? BLObOrt 22:36, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

looking into this - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

Thread with monsters 2nd or 3rd post down. Soy the Stig 15:24, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

No, you're right that there aren't any monsters, we don't even know if any of them (or any information about DLC 4, for that matter) is true. At this point, all speculation; figured I'd speculate. Sorry to get your hopes up, I'll tell you if I find anything definitive. Soy the Stig 15:40, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Never you worry, knoxx is dead... or is he a claptrap? o.O Soy the Stig 15:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Knoxx is one of the bosses who have been claptrapped.  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     15:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

is that why knoxx is still tweeting, even after i capped his ass? time is / was / willenhavenbeen a pain in the arse.   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   19:39, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Haha thanks, I could have done better probably but anywhere else and I'd have to find more scholarships, didn't have much luck with that. Soy the Stig 19:02, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

DLC4 News

I don't know how to edit the News page, and there's no talk page for it, but the article about the 4th DLC is a reference to this interview:
And another tweet from Randy Pitchford. WhackyGordon 23:15, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

added ign uk. pitchford link is already there. see Not Sure Who To Give This To above for some of the story behind the story.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  23:26, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I've stuffed up an edit

Hi - I appear to have stuffed up when editing the Road's End Weapon Crate Locations page. I don't know what I've done wrong, but now three of the map images don't display, and I can't work out how to revert to the original. Any chance of fixing this for me and letting me know what I did wrong so I don't make the same error in the future? Thanks! Outbackyak 01:40, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

this appears to be an image problem with the servers. maybe its the new units in germany, idk. as long as you are seeing a place holder type deal your ok.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  01:52, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
Great, the place holder is there, and hopefully it will correct itself. I've only had this problem with images in the last few days - is that when the new servers in Germany came in? It seems to take forever to upload an image, and another age for it to insert into the page; and then sometimes it won't display, especially if it's a thumb. Anyway, thanks for your help. Outbackyak 05:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Man, I'm sorry again

I have no idea why it keeps doing that. I even tried previewing like you said. I think it has something to do with this gay debugger program my wife uses to hack Farmville. I'm going to try restrting the PC anytime after she runs it, and see if that works.If not, I'll just have to use someone elses laptop or something.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 23:22, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

dont worry about it CJ. its just a minor deal to clip it out. a debugger might do that, yes. maybe its time to gift the little woman a netbook? i could recommend several (no commission either).   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  23:29, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

For Dr. Clayton Forrester

Ok I hope I'm doing this right. Trying to figure out how to use this wiki. Anyhow, I didn't realize I had erased someone's post and I still don't see what I did. But I'll keep trying to figure it out. I'm pretty new to all this.

I'd love to know how to do that save-editing thing. I'm quite curious about it. But it is considered a mod, is it not? If so I just want to know how to do it , I want to play around with one character and do stuf like that just to learn how. I have quite a few characters and I don't mod or cheat or anything like that with them but I'm trying to learn the ropes so if I knew how to save edit as the other guy was talking about, maybe I'd learn something ... thanks. Wheeldogz 02:47, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Your summary of the last comment you left on the Wiki n. GBX forums thread.

I assume you mean you're recusing yourself? Don't wanna rock the boat on the forums, I guess. How often do you post there? Do people there know you're the main mod here? Do you witness a lot of wiki-trashing, and if so, do you offer up any retorts? I know you're a pretty level-headed guy. I'm just curious if you get offended at all when someone trashes all your/our hard work but doesn't see their way fit to fix it up.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 18:03, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: Should have been Wiki v. GBX. Doh.

see my reply here - Chemicalweapon Dr. F

Yeah, I'm with you on the language thing. I'm sure you saw my response; admittedly I over-reacted. I mean I know it's just a wiki, and the internet, etc., but the way he came off was very frustrating. Aside from that, I could not see what his actual complaint was. So what, the weapon entries don't describe the mechanics exhaustively. How does that add up to "no pages accurately display how the game works,"? I think what you wound up doing in the end was the best possible solution, and it does add value to the wiki overall. I looked back on my initial response after I posted it, and did feel like a dick, but what baffled me more was his response to me- and you for that matter. "We, at the OFFICIAL Gearbox forums.." (he didn't actually cap. , I know) and then he goes on to tell us that he meant nothing special by it. What the hell else could he have meant? Baiscally his entire response to me was kind of a back-peddling "who me?" charade. I don't know, just the whole introductory fanfare and the use of the "royal we" really turned me off and made me suspicious of any massive changes. The problem from what I've seen is that a good deal of the posters over there sort of have that attitude, and I don't understand how or why it's warranted. Why is no one fixing it if it's so messed up? I don't see this horde of revert trolls that they like to use as an excuse to not edit the articles. I think the serious guys here that actually enjoy the game and community do their damnedest to keep everything tidy, and we're not constantly dealing with the ego problems on the level that they are over there. Well, thanks for letting me whine. Something I did want to ask you is if you feel under-credited with the release of the new patch files. I saw you had mentioned that you were the one who showed Drew how to crack and read them. Again, I know it's just the internet, but it would have been pretty damn cool if Knoxx was wise-cracking on one of our guys, or the gaming articles were running "Dr. Clayton Forrester" in the same sentences as Legendrew. I mean he's basically the Assange of Borderlands now. Take it easy and keep up the good fight. If you feel like sending any of those guys over for a strong verbal trashing, by all means, have them send their complaints to my talk page. ;) Later hombre.

Legendrew deserves the credit as he posted the contents of the files (and no one asked how an xboxer came to be looking at the files). i was not about to post such spoilers here or there (i should point out that he did, in fact, try to post the content/spoilers here and i reverted and sent them to his talk page), well maybe there but he beat me to it and did a better job as i am unfamiliar with their formatting. you will notice he has never said that he found the files (zackh411 did). he posted and deserves that infamy. l3v1 has cooled down about my moving his images and such and is welcome to continue his crusade when he is ready. bobtm did a lot to improve the wiki, his only detractor being complaining about your citation needed edit. after all thats what it is for. i saw it and confirmed it, no big deal. arguing about your questioning its veracity was unfortunate but seemingly unavoidable. they do enjoy an air of arrogance coming from the gearbox forums which we can choose to tolerate, lampoon, or ignore altogether. i vote for tolerance it adds flavour to the wiki. i do not think you over reacted on the hellfire talk page though that part of it may require archiving to the discussion page of its mechanics as the result of cleanup. as to talking to knoxx Dr. F, being the mad scientist he is, would rather play the part of the man behind the curtain. fame is for the young. glory reigns eternal.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  19:53, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

"unsupported" weapon pics

heya, doc. i know the wiki frowns upon the posting of gearcalc-created and / or modded weapon pics on mainspace pages. here's a question that may not have had a chance to come up yet: what is the wiki's stance on posting pics of weapons created randomly by gearcalc but garnered from unsupported game content. in layman's terms, should i / can i post a pic of a weapon that i found in 3pdlc's on that weapon's mainspace talk page as an example of that particular weapon? (no weapon in particular. just asking in general.)   Jabberwocky   the frumious fry   16:41, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

a good question that. out of respect for the founding mothers and fathers of this wiki (who wouldnt have tolerated one quarter of whats on here now, let me tell you), i am saying items from 3pdlc (Unsupported Content) will be disallowed from variants/varieties listings and main articles. this shall be enforced by the honor system, meaning if you lack the testicular fortitude (balls for the illiterate) to admit you picked up an item from TFC or TCN or flat out made the thing in WT you have no honor and are subject to the open ridicule of your peers (and below) plus wedgies. Thus spake The Evil Dr. F - Chemicalweapon

ps - you may of course appeal to Claptrap and/or fenrakk101

Wiki news blog

Hi, please see my proposal at Forum:Wiki news blog. Thanks! Ausir(talk) 00:00, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I did say that I work on Wikia's Gaming Team in my forum post. :) Ausir(talk) 14:24, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Q&A question

Hi Dr.F. I was just on the BL Q&A Wiki, and it's a mess. The site seems to be disorganized and is running rampant with bogus questions. I could not figure out how to get in contact with Site Admin or someone over there. Seeing as you are pretty much the person in charge here, I want to know - Do we have some form of partnership/control with the Q&A wiki? I would like to sort through all of the invalid questions and delete them if possible.   Uberorb Bio melt  

Texhn - here & there
founder - Lleowen there
- Chemicalweapon The Evil Dr. F

Thank you sir. I left Lleowen a message. Now lets just hope I get a response. Uberorb


i still dont have a legit sig...


see signatures above.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  01:03, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just want to say thanks

You and everyone else who have taken so much time to make this what it is. I hope they put you in borderlands 2 pref as villian so we can all shoot you :p

Big hugs. big kate

X-mass 20:10, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

ty kate. oh and moo hoo ha ha, ill make it myself if i can figure out the editor. - Chemicalweapon The Evil Dr. F

Hi Dr.F. I just want to make sure that I'm correct on this. The new DLC is going to have 2 new skill points, not 10... Right? I'm just wondering because there is some kind of edit war switching it back and forth between various users and IP addresses. Should the DLC page maybe be locked or something, because I am starting to get confused about it. and I was pretty sure it was 2. I don't know, what do you think?   Uberorb Bio melt  

its 2 (figures, two) and i thought i stated why in source. ill check on the edit war, would rather block the combatants than protect the page. thanks for the heads up.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  23:22, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I don't really know if it's an edit war, but Every time I look at the page, it seems to be different. Orb

Admin or bureaucrat

Hi Dr.F. I was wondering if I could become part of administration or a bureaucrat for this site seeing as I'm on it a LOT. I have learned lots of things since joining this site and would like to help out a little more if possible. I can also provide a reasonable amount of help with in game 360 content, seeing as there is no 360 sysop I might be able to help with that kind of stuff. I just wanted to know if this is a possibility or not.   Uberorb Bio melt  

Orb, your interest is noted and you are welcome to campaign for sysop the way it was done by your predecessors. if you do not know, i submit to you that there is more learning to be done. you may want to research the difference between sysop and bureaucrat, as well. it may seem like a grand idea now, but just look how many of our admins are no longer active (editing) and note the long series of 'crats who no longer participate (g0urra's primary is WoW{check out his page there, its pretty cool}) meaning this wiki has been handed down and handed down. The wiki could use a 360 expert as a sysop, yes. but what the wiki needs is a 360 expert and a sysop willing to do cleanup until Borderlands 2 (Book of Looteronomy) is put to bed.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  17:41, August 15, 2010 (UTC) ps - the looteronomy bit is a gag perpetrated by The Evil Dr. F and is in no way meant to imply clairvoyance on thee part of the author.

I looked through This page and I now understand the differences between Sysops and bureaucrats even better, but there wasn't really an official spot listed to ask for Admin privileges and the page said that I could ask a bureaucrat directly. I also would stay active on this wiki - it's the only one I am regularly on (besides Halopedia for random browsing). It was just a random idea, but I thought it would be cool to help out a little more. Even if I can't become admin, I'll still help out on the site and stuff :D   Uberorb Bio melt  

borderlands is not a jealous mistress. she demands not fidelity but longevity. look into the admin's histories and look for how they were vetted. you have asked a crat directly and this is the task he has set you to. i did forget to mention another way to become admin. you can ask an admin to abdicate or step aside, the latter being temporary. you can ask fen or clap if they are willing.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  20:33, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't want to ask them to do that, I'd rather just be a sysop alongside of everyone, helping out and all. Like I said though, if I can't, it's not a big deal - It would be nice to be admin, but no matter what, I'll still contribute to this wiki. Orb

Also. Is there anything else that I could do to become a sysop that you would recommend? I'm just to nice to ask someone to step aside. Uberorb

Orb, i am definitely not telling you that you cannot be a sysop, nor am i even trying to discourage you. i am just not making it easy for you to discover how it is done here. its in all our histories (excepting warblade who is standing in) and believe me, digging into histories is a big part of sorting matters as a sysop. it is a thankless chore but it is often the only way to be fair in tough decisions. how many times have you asked 'why did he do that?' look in the histories for the answer. here is your one and only clue: the first crats/sysops have shorter histories. - Chemicalweapon The Evil Dr. F oh yeah, MOO HOO HA HA HAH

I think that a strategy guide would have helped more than a hint, but I found your page and Lobster's. Much easier when sorting by forum only posts.   Uberorb Bio melt   Now I am off to find a stalker or mega cannon!

Wow nice edit. Hooray!! you finded it. WTG Orb. you have passed your trials. - Dr. F. you may link this thread to as many talk pages as you see fit. I thank you.   Uberorb Bio melt  

Hey Dr. F. I'm just bored sitting at home and I am a *Little* confused why I would link the thread above to "as many talk pages as I see fit" (Ps - I'm dying for a conclusion! Orb 20:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

 LobStoR name  talk  contribs  did this when he or she was campaigning. barring that i will put up a site notice when the wikinews vote is over. - Chemicalweapon The Evil Dr. F

Custom Userbox

It seems that I cant make picture in my userbox small (about 30-43px) even tho I put that in the code and tried like 50 times... Don't mind helping me a littleh? :3 AtlasZaph talkZaph contribs 12:59, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I did something like change 43px which is a length descriptor into x43px which is a height descriptor but it didn't seem to work. So I changed it back, and it works. Works for me, anyway - not too sure what you wanted. See how it looks on your end.  nagy   talkScorpio-fulllog     13:09, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate your help, thanks for fast reply/solving problem! Although, I typed "...|43px]]" too but that didn't work for me 0.o AtlasZaph talkZaph contribs 13:17, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Item Trading Bitch Fest

Think setting up a disclaimer discouraging mod requests, or maybe a separate trading forum for mods might help reduce the ragey conflicts around here? WhackyGordon 20:19, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

ty for calling me out on this issue WhackG. _i_ do not want to discourage mod requests because:

  1. it gives modders something social to do
  2. modded content is only disallowed in the mainspace (main namespace) of the wiki
  3. it gives the opportunity for the community to decline such requests (unlikely, but its there)

_i_ do not want to open a new forum because:

  1. _i_ want to keep the forums neat
  2. putting up an artificial wall between opposing sides is futile when each can still troll the other sides forums
  3. ragers _will_ rage even if its about how DLC4 should have had a better name.

i say _i_ because this is only my opinion. you are welcome to broach the subject with the other sysops, warblade and claptrap are available.   Dr. F    Chemicalweapon   Wordpress shovel   Boston globe bullhorn  20:46, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that answers my question quite nicely. I just wish people would relax and be constructive more.. WhackyGordon 21:03, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

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