Forum:Yet another Draco question

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OK, so I've read the Draco page, its talk page, and the forum Draco posts - and I'm still confused. I see it stated all the time that a Draco must have a mag of 120-124, or it's not a Draco. Why not? S&S machine guns which have the Draco accessory can definitely spawn with smaller mags, so why aren't those weapons Dracos?

Here's an image of one I got as a drop from Craw today:

Why isn't this a Draco?

As you can see, it has the Draco accessory but a mag size of "only" 93. To check I recreated it in GearCalc; here's the code:

gd_itemgrades.Weapons.ItemGrade_Weapon_SupportMachineGun
gd_manufacturers.Manufacturers.SandSMunitions
gd_weap_support_machinegun.A_Weapon.WeaponType_support_machinegun
gd_weap_combat_rifle.Body.body2
gd_weap_combat_rifle.Grip.grip3
gd_weap_support_machinegun.mag.mag4
gd_weap_combat_rifle.Barrel.barrel2
gd_weap_support_machinegun.Sight.sight1
gd_weap_combat_rifle.Stock.stock4
None
gd_weap_support_machinegun.acc.acc4_SandS_Draco_Incendiary
gd_weap_shared_materialparts.ManufacturerMaterials.Material_SandS_3
gd_weap_support_machinegun.Prefix.Prefix_Kick1_Glorious
gd_weap_support_machinegun.Title.Title__MachineGun
1
5
0
62

I was also able to get it down to a mag size of 60 (only blue rarity), and by stuffing around with all the components I was able to get it down to 52 (white rarity and only x2 Incendiary) but still with the Draco accessory.

Can somebody please explain to me definitively why all these MGs are not Dracos? Is it that they wouldn't have a high enough Tech Level to spawn as Orange rarity weapons with the red text (assuming the Draco could actually spawn properly in game with the red text)? Or what? Outbackyak 18:07, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

The gearcalc isnt perfect, with revolvers you can add the maliwan pestilent defiler accessory to most legendary revolvers (i.e. dahl anaconda) and it stillis listed as legit. but we know the game will not spawn that way. Im gonna go fool around in gearcalc for a minute, i want to test an idea They call me Hellz Lips 18:22, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know that about the Pestilent Defiler error (damn, I wouldn't mind finding an AX300 D Pestilent Anaconda - 1341 Dmg!!!!), but that's obviously just a problem with GearCalc - normally it would say "manufacturers must match: check manufacturer-specific parts". The image above is from an in-game drop, so it is definitely legit, and I can't see why it wouldn't be called a Draco. A pretty ordinary Draco, admittedly. Outbackyak 18:48, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

1 - Gearcalc does not even have the title "gd_weap_support_machinegun.Title.TitleM_SandS_Draco" in its inventory so it cannot make a "legit" judgement on all those variations. But BL can.
2 - The "white rarity, x2 Incendiary" MG described above will not spawn in BL as either a 'Draco' or 'Machine Gun' so some component is not valid even though Gearcalc says it is.
Maybe a little research on the Gearbox forums will turn up the requirements for a Draco. -- MeMadeIt 20:02, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

My understanding is requirements for dracos are mag size of 120-124, x3/4 incendiary, and a glorious massacre title. They call me Hellz Lips 20:16, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Folowing MeMadeIt's suggestion, I've been looking through the Gearbox forum - and the short answer is: there doesn't seem to be a consensus there on what makes a Draco a Draco.

Some claim that any gun with the Draco accessory is a Draco, end of story. Others say it must be x4 Incendiary, and that x3s aren't "real" Draco's even if they have the accessory. Others say it's got to have a really big clip ~96 to 124 and the Draco accessory and be x3 or x4. Some say clip size doesn't matter but it must have the Draco accessory and be x3 or x4. There are other variations, but you get the idea.

The only clear requirement is that it must have the Draco accessory (obviously) since it is possible to find MGs with x3 Incendiary that don't have the Draco accessory. For the rest, well I just don't know.

All the MGs I've found with the Draco accessory have been purple rarity - has anyone found a MG with the Draco accessory that was of lower rarity? GearCalc lets me build ones with white, green or blue rarity, but has anyone got an image of a MG with these low rarities & the Draco accessory that they found in-game? Or is this just a glitch in GearCalc? All the images I saw on the Gearbox forum were purple rarity, which makes me think that it is a GearCalc issue. Outbackyak 22:15, July 17, 2010 (UTC)