Sorry if this hasn't been posted correctly.
Is Krieg the psycho tina's dad? I mean, the wiki states that he escaped from a lab, Iv'e personally heard him say something about needles and purple liquid (slag? also this quote doesn't appear to be on the wiki), he has quotes that mention a female who got away/escaped from somewhere. Yet also I heard him say something about a woman screaming with her mouth wide open and blood everywhere (also the wiki page states that he has a skin called "WHERE ARE YOU GRACE").
Here's my theory:
Krieg, Grace (Tina's mother), and Tina were captured and Krieg and Grace were put through slag experimentation after Flesh-Stick sold them out, as we know (though not the names of Tina's parents) through echo recordings in the exploitation reserve. We already know that Tina got away, so that could be the female he talks about who got away.
So Grace and Krieg are being pumped full of slag, Grace's body cant handle it and she is violently killed by the process. Krieg, after witnessing the gruesome death of his wife, coupled with the extreme pain of the slag experiment, loses his mind and becomes what he is today.
Thoughts? Has anyone else heard the him say the things about purple liquid?
Yes, it would appear that Kreig is really the father of Tiny Tina. it Should also be noted that since the DLC was centered on Tiny Tina, and Kreig CAME RIGHT IN THAT DLC help prove something.
- Lardon The Outcast
Sorry to sound like a dick, but you can theorize all you want. Unless Paul Hellquist, Anthony Burch or Randy Pitchford confirm it, it's not true. If you, or anybody, adds it to either Tina's or Krieg's page, it will be reverted as soon as it is spotted. CrackLawliet (talk) 03:31, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
Saw this on Reddit:
What crack means to say is that there is not near enough circumstantial evidence to draw any conclusions and that any such speculation is just that... speculation. There ARE areas where Paul, Anthony, or Randy hasn't confirmed things but the circumstantial evidence is solid. This is not one of those cases. Its good to ask questions though and find out what others think, it just wont get closer to the answers you are looking for. Thanks for asking the community and we appreciate you asking rather than trying to add stuff on main pages. 07:38, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
Well one bit of evidence I've noted, we know that Tiny Tina's father had her throw the grenade she had hidden in her dress at him in order to escape, which she believed had killed her father, but she herself does not have 100% surety of that. One of Krieg's quotes he says when killed and Pull the Pin is activated reads "A martyr for my little one" thats just one more piece of the puzzle I suppose, but I found it rather interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starburns (talk • contribs)
That he could, but why would he need to be a martyr for a grenade? I realize Krieg lacks sanity at the surface, but he at least says somewhat intelligible sentences. The martyr part would more seem to point to the act of dying and blowing himself up with said grenade than be martyring himself for the sake of the grenade which he detonates (destroying the grenade which eould basically be the opposite of a martyrdom). It looks to be more referencing the grenade he had Tina throw at him (supposing they are family), which would be an actual martyrdom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starburns (talk • contribs)
In all seriousness... He could martyr himself in order to pull the pin, or regard the enemy as a martyr for his cause. The former seems more logical and both are completely sane (as sane as a martyr could be). Trying to take the side of what seems logical in the mind of Krieg, especially to defend a theory, is taking leaps and bounds.
On the simple side of it, I have always just taken it at face value... Krieg became a martyr in order to pull the pin on his little one and blow stuff up. To say that it looks like anything is theory.
I would suggest to you to go on twitter and contact the developers to confirm thoughts and theories. I personally would not know how to even go about that since I have never used twitter. 06:09, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
He could be referencing any number of things, and I know we don't have any serious pieces of evidence, but we're just amassing all the evidence here, all the little things. Hereis one of Krieg's inner voice's idle quotes "(Where is she? Is she still alive? Did she get away?)" which could very well be in reference to Tina if the Tina-throw-grenade-at-Krieg escape theory were to hold true.
Krieg is in fact Tina's father, this can be proven by a drawing Tina did. It shows a bald man with one red eye and an eyepatch. Kreig is bald, has one red eye, and an eye patch. I may be going out on a limb in assuming that he was this way pre testing, but I tink that this is a safe assumption.
I have noticed that him and Brick have the exact same necklace. I think that he was part of the Crimson Lance/Raiders, and was captured by Handsome Jack. But before hand asked Roland to look after Tina. Maybe Krieg was a nickname from the CL/CR and was all he could remember? I don't know. Just a theory
We have no problem with anyone stating anything they want. The problem comes when such statements are put on pages and get reverted. This is not only a record of little things that are "evidence", it is also a record of "why they are not on pages". For instance, you are taking evidence that Krieg is Tina's father and putting it down as fact. The only real fact is that Tiny Tina drew a picture, which is not noteworthy enough for any article.
That is where people go wrong with speculation. "Proving" anything based on something so small can be probmatic especially when all other "facts" have resonable explanations elsewhere. Everything Krieg says about a "she" cannot all be accounted for for either Tina or Maya. The "did she get away" could be Maya but there is so much more that Krieg says that does not fit her. Tina may or may not be someone Krieg actually knows before the train so those comments may or may not be about Tina as well. Other statements that Krieg makes are NOT about Tina or Maya.
Sorry guys, but the lack or capitalization and all the spelling errors was annoying me so I fixed them. I didn't change anything though. I just added the correct punctuation and fixed spelling and capitalization errors. Sorry again. :P
So here is some evidence I have found, crediting the theory that Krieg is Tiny Tina's Father. First of all and the one most people know is the ECHO tapes found on the hunting reserve in the main story line. These tapes give pretty good detail on what happened to Tiny Tina's parents, but a specific instance of someone saying her parents had died was never said, so her parents may still be alive today and if the theory is believed then the father actually is. Maybe all the experiments done on Tiny Tina's father mutated him into a giant psycho and after gaining these powers, he also escaped.
Next is a less well known Easter Egg placed in the Borderlands 2 DLC "Tiny Tina's Assault on Dungeon Keep". In this DLC a small painting, by Tiny Tina, is placed in the world where it shows a Eye Patched man riding a unicorn with a slightly red eye. When a close up of Krieg's face is given you can obviously see he has an eye patch and, if one looks closely, it can be seen that Krieg's other eye is slightly red. This seems to be quite the coincidence and it seems to be that Krieg has some connection to Tiny Tina.
An one liner also said by Krieg ties into this theory nicely. In the quote he says, "Is she still alive? Did she get away?". This quote ties in very well the evidence given in the ECHO recording where Tiny Tina's parents are tortured and she escapes. Krieg wonders if someone is alive and if she got away this could be Tiny Tina.
Finally the largest piece of evidence by far, in my opinion, is given the Headhunter DLC Mad Moxxi's Wedding Day Massacre. After playing through the DLC the player will find himself at a brewing factory where he must brew a love potion. As he is doing this Mad Moxxi will ask if there was a Mr. or Mrs. vault hunter and when Krieg answers he says "THE TINY ONE THE SAD-FACED MOTHER AND THE BLUE TATTOO FOREVER AND EVER". "THE BLUE TATTOO" is most likely Maya, while "THE TINY ONE" is most likely Tina Tiny, I mean he literally says "THE TINY ONE" in the quote, this is a huge call out to the "Krieg is Tiny Tina's Father" theory and is given pretty large evidence to credit it, and finally "THE SAD-FACED MOTHER" is unknown, but is probably Krieg's late wife and Tiny Tina's mother, it does say mother in it though so it can be assumed, once again, that this is Krieg's late wife and Tiny Tina's mother; making Krieg Tiny Tina's Father.
All this evidence goes to credit the Theory and I'm excited to see what Gearbox does next with it.
The sources for this info are as follows:
- Please sign at the end of your posts, thanks. As for the theories, they're old and inconclusive. The new Wedding Day Massacre DLC might offer new content to fuel the speculation, but again this is inconclusive. For one thing, the ranting of a psycho is mostly just babble, and unreliable for drawing facts from. The text you presented actually looks like he is referring to the other Vault Hunters, maybe Salvador, and the Sirens, although the sad-faced mother makes me think of Moxxi. Either way, until the game, or a developer, actually confirms these theories they will be consigned to speculation scrapheap and removed. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:50, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
- First of all, you don't need to be so patronizing. Tone it down. Second of all, Krieg is no ordinary psycho, and most of his rants make a demented kind of sense. Thirdly, how do you get SALVADORE, of all people, out of that text? At all? This confuses me. As for the sirens - "The blue tattoo" is almost certainly referring to Maya, but that's the only part of your "counter-theory" that makes sense. I ask you who else "The tiny one" could be referring to.
- The sad-faced mother is not Moxxi. Moxxi never looks sad. The only time she even shows any such emotion at all is when she's talking about how Motor Momma ate one of her lovers, and that was in another DLC, not to mention you can't see her face because she's communicating via radio. While it is true that the theory shouldn't be considered official until it's actually confirmed by a dev, it is also true that it has a lot of evidence to support it. So, in short, chill your tits and stop being so condescending. NO DON'T DO IT (talk) 02:21, February 22, 2014 (UTC)