Forum:Duping: Argue Here

So, ladies & gentlemen, I've been seeing a lot of pro and anti modding/duping comments. I figured that a place where you can speak your piece without cluttering up other posts might be in order. Here it is. I'll start off. I'm pro-duping but anti-modding. Duping weapons for friends or lower level players in my opinion is just being community-minded. Helping friends or people who lost things because of malfunctions, glitches, etc, or just helping for the sake of helping. Modding is contrary to that as you are altering the game as opposed to exploiting loopholes. Maybe I'm wrong but people helped me by duping and I've helped others in turn. If you're that against duping, go offline. Stay there instead of complaining about it. You might as well say that helping someone level their character is wrong. If you are that committed to being a purist, unplug. Plain and simple.

Let the flame war begin... Hefe 19:20, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'll save this thread a lot of time and say...

IMO, most people seem to be pro-duping because its a victimless crime. Honestly, any case involving items with legitimate parts being acquired through whatever means is going to be a victimless crime. The only people crying will be the ones doing it the hard way, and if the item is acquired through 2 weeks, 3 days, and 13 hours of grinding Crawmerax or duped in 2 minutes on willow, what the hell is the difference? NOTHING. So have fun, and don't let a small percentage of whiny, bored completionists ruin your game. :] URBESTESTFRENJESUS 19:35, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I heard that. I've finished it and have a lot of fun meeting others to dupe and so on. I just figured if they want to argue, they can do it here and not ruin other posts. Also, I have no idea what willow is. Hefe 19:37, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

That's the thing, Willowtree is an app designed for editing save files to their fullest extent. Any gear, or quest or skill can be edited, but not everyone even knows how, or for that matter, is comfortable risking screwing up their save file and wasting their time with all of this. Only a small minority of the Borderlands population even know anything about any of this. As long as Gearbox keeps patching to keep out gear with illegitimate part listings, this is a complete non-issue. URBESTESTFRENJESUS 19:43, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I am anti mod/dupe. I am against modding because it ruins the balance of the game and as you said it is altering the game. But I am also anti-duping because I like to see rare guns stay rare. I do however see where it is acceptable when someone has lost a gun due to a glitch or error in the game, in that case I am alright with it. But I would like to see people at least put the time into the game to get the item once. Also, to me the fun of this game once you have completed everything else is hunting for guns. WarriorAngel 19:43, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe. But I can tell you from experience that hunting and farming for that one particular gun for weeks stops being fun. I mostly don't even care about the guns. I have more fun playing the missions over and over. If I could continually replay with my main character, I would. 2 playthroughs isn't enough. Hefe 19:48, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I dont care if ppl mod, as long as they arent in my game because i like a challenge and no lag. so i just kick them. but if ppl like modding, thats cool with me. duping i dont care about. i personally havent duped, but i may sometime. i can see why people dont like it though. Stealthmode8 20:15, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Im with WarriorAngel. No modding/no duping. The guns you find are unique and specific to you. It almost as if it was made just for you. One of the greatest things about this game is its ability to produce so many variations of its items. LIke WarriorAngel said, "I like to see rare guns stay rare". That's what makes them special. I'm just happy I have the right to say no to someone when I find a totally unique item and they ask me to dupe it for them. Its not that I don't like to share, its just that I don't give handouts. If there were any rhyme or reason to being able to farm a specific weapon I'm more then happy to help someone earn it that way. CrapStomper 20:22, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I have to say that im anti-duping/modding, because its purely exploiting methods that havent been meant initially in the game. Short sightedly, there is little damage, like people saw no problems in dumping wastes in water in the last century. So let me expand your comprehension of the world we live in: duping significantly reduce the difficulty of the game, making hard-to-find-gear easily acquired. This force the devs to lower the drop rates and increase difficulty of creatures, this is not rebalancing, its palliating to the exploitation of unintended game mechanisms. In general, this forces the devs to unbalance the game. This debalancing will increase as the new DLCs will come out until one drastic point: the point where duping will have ruined the fun, lowering the amount of people playing the game (buying the new DLCs) enough that the game will be no more a source of income. Do you understand me? if you want to dupe, your better to unplug righ now before ruining it for the others. I know that will not stop dupers at all, but least think more than just twice before doing something like that. And just like that, if you understand what i said, you can only agree with me, otherwise you didn't understand. Valtiell 22:22, March 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, duping/moding aren't the reasons the developers created harder to kill enemies. The enemies were too weak to begin with. Has anyone really had a problem with any of them, especially after level 25? I prefer enemies with increased difficulty. MeMadeIt 23:00, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Im not a fan of duping however if i was put in a position were giving up a rare or powerful weapon for another i'd just dupe it, why? because i can, but as soon as a patch if any comes out to stop this exploit i wouldnt mind, duping renders rare weapons very common because they can just be duped and traded in large numbers, i cant wait till duping is stopped :)

I don't have an issue with duping or swapping. I don't like uber-damage mods so I just choose not to play with them just like I do with loot grabbers and other smacktards. MeMadeIt 23:00, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not really against duping, persay, I just think it takes the fun out of looking for that PERFECT weapon, I'll admit, sometimes I think of posting looking for someone to dupe a weapon for me, but I enjoy the hunt as I play through-JeremyScene

In a most any group game I play, I believe that everyone should have a right to any gun found while playing, so I am for duping in that regard. I also support duping to replace lost items (as I am doing now following a save file error), and in general I believe in a "share the wealth" mentality when it comes to my friends. I do not, however, tend to dupe for random people, especially if I found a gun myself through farming. Skeve 18:13, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think modding is cheating and duping is not really a big deal. If the gun is legit in the game and appeared, I don't really care that more than one person has it. Sure, I would PREFER that rare guns stay rare, but if people couldn't dupe then more people would probably start modding and then things would really get bad. Personally, I have not ever duped, either from someone else or for someone else. One of my favorite things is to find that amazing gun that I didn't know about (and to hunt for that gun that I want), or that has a stat much better than what I'm using now (I've found about 4 combustion hellfires but I'm still looking for that perfect one for me). Duping or modding would completely ruin that for me. As for playing with others, I'll gladly play with people who dupe (thats a personal choice), but would prefer to avoid people who mod because that really damages the game in my mind. If I was asked by a RL friend, I would probably dupe a gun for them, but I probably would not dupe for a stranger. Thats just my opinion. I respect everyone elses.Mbeacom 21:34, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

If borderlands were more of a competive online deathmatch esque game i would agree modding is exploitation and should be outlawed. However the game is more about the campaign experience and if you have the savvy to pull of modding and you enjoy it i say go ahead. Its your game and your experience. No one is forcing anyone else to use modded guns, it only impacts those who choose to let it impact them. The same goes for duping. I completed every mission and was a level 61 before i found this site and started duping with people. I had killed crawmerax 5 or 6 times and made countless armory runs and had not found a single pearlescent anything or any of what is considered top tier legendaries. Chalk it up to bad luck i suppose. But i wanted to have the enjoyment out of using some of those weapons and i simply did not have the time to invest in any more of those runs. So i duped with people. It is as it has been mentioned a victimless crime when done properly. And again no one forces you to dupe, it is your decision to partake in it if you want to and think you would enjoy it. A great quote from one of my professors is that my rights end where yours begin and vicea versa. By modding/duping in my game i am in no way impacting your experience with the game and therefore there really is not a problem in my eyes. - GAYNOR54

I am completely against Modding guns because IMO it is cheating strait up. Duping is a grey area to me, you are sharing a weapon with a friend and you are both getting to use it.

I would love to see Gearbox come out with a special weapons station where you could take two guns and combine different aspects of the two and loose both orginials to create a new one. It would let a player create a legitimate custom gun - that way they(gearbox) could keep controll of the product so it doesn't become an all out cheat fest.

Cbchess 19:43, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

The following comment aggravated me: "And just like that, if you understand what i said, you can only agree with me, otherwise you didn't understand." I understood and still disagree. Once again, it's not like we are doing head to head gameplay. You can have the best weapons in the game and still get owned. I think duping is more of a community thing. Especially during farming. A great gun lands and everybody wants it. If everybody helped, everybody should get one. As for that business about the devs, I personally don't think they give a rat's ass. I think they would have found it before now or would have patched it with any of the DLC's. Hefe 20:51, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm personally against duping because like others said already: rare weapons should be rare. The game wouldn't have been fun if everyone just got access to everything. It's also partly elitism. If you have a rare gun, you want to feel special. Also, I do think the devs care. You may have thought they didn't care about modding, but they patched that as well. I believe they'll patch this too. Desertfighter777 21:29, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I wonder how they could patch for duping, perhaps make it so that when one player saves, everyone on the game saves at the same time? Question for those non-dupers like myself. Would you like Gearbox to patch it to make duping impossible? Or do you care? Personally, I think I would like it because that way you'd see a lot more variety of guns, which is not only cool, but makes trading a lot cooler. But honestly, I don't really care one way or the other.Mbeacom 21:34, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

If modding is done in singleplayer or in multiplayer where no-one minds, I have no problem with it. Otherwise, modding sucks. HybridDragoness 07:06, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

@Mbeacom, The biggest problem with duping is that it exploits a precautionary measure intended to keep players from getting ripped off while trading. So if a host is trading with someone he can't just kick the person once the person drops his gun. So in addition to a duping patch they would have to add an actual trade system to the game. This is one of the things that makes me really hate duping. The gearbox guys do something to protect us from all the noobs out there and then people start exploiting it for their own gain. WarriorAngel 19:16, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with WarriorAngel nothing sucks more than having your gun stolen because some noob took it or they just take your gun then save and exit. It would also be great if there was a trading system, then there would be no more complaining about duping. Also I honestly don't care if some one dupes a weapon, I do it myself and for those people who complain about modding you might as well stop complaining because as long as there are video games there are gonna be people who will want to mod, so stop complaining and accept the fact that there are gonna be mods. -DLX Kryptonite

Moddings awesome, so is duping. It makes the game more fun when you and the people you play with have decent gear. Anyone who complains about it needs to get a life.- II FunKy II

Wow. Thanks for that inspiring addition. Hefe 19:53, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think a little bit modding is ok but those "I kill crawmerax with one kneck-shot"-guns suck! Duping is no problem for me because I think everyone should have the weapon he likes but the other one should also have a right for that Karamos 20:22, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Still don't like modding myself though. Hefe 20:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Im absolutley fine with duping, I dont see how it ruins the game its not like Borderlands is an enormous community of players

on the same server so an overload of kickass weps messes up the the balance of things. Its just four people looking to play

and have a good time and If you dont like the whole duping thing you can leave and join another server or host your own

and boot people who do it, and some people spend weeks trying to find the wep they want so eventually they turn to the darkside

and get something purdy duped for them. <3 duping nothing lost just more to gain. Mcdan420 21:47, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

To whoever said "How would you stop/ put and end to duping?" the answer is simple, when youre kicked from a game, have the game save as youre being kicked. Problem solved! I-Am-Borderlands 01:40, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

I made it a personal preference to stay out of this duping war. But I shall throw in my 2 cents. Honestly duping isn't good if you haven't played through the game and found what you wanted first. Say you find a gun, say a Maliwan Hellfire, and then lose it under bad circumstances, then I'd say duping is good. Otherwise, it should be avoided all together. It takes away the integrity of the whole "treasure hunting" aspect of the game.IbanezRokr 17:55, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Got to throw my hat in the ring. I have run Crawmerax probably 5 to 8 times every night for about the last week. I have made Armory runs like crazy. And short of the pretty pictures on this wiki I have never seen a real Pearlesent until one of the guys I run Craw with said, "You want me to Dup an Aries for you?" Duh! What do you think I said. lol

I really don't see the issue with Duping. Modding is actually altering code...i.e. Hacking the game. How is duping any different than muling weapons between two accounts or having a friend hold it for you and getting a different character? You can't tell me an smg Siren has never found a sniper Hunter's rifle. When in a group I see duping as essential especially if there are two toons of the same class and similar build. Or are you going to be the one to tell the guy you just killed Crawmerax with, "Screw you I picked it up first." ??? If you are, this is exceptionally bad form. I know this because my two year old shares toys better.

As a slight aside. How many of the "Anti-Dupers" have survived both play throughs with out dying? Becausee duping weapons is essentally making a clone of the weapon, identical to the way it was originally created. If you have died at least once in the game "you" are in fact a clone of the original charcter. If you doubt me pay a little closer attention to the first Clap Trap encountered when you are fresh off the bus and introduced to the Nu-U Station.

I am the Keeper of Useless Knowledge ~ Proven Mayhem 19:11, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Good point, Proven Mayhem. I agree with the share and share alike mentality. And speaking of duping, if you're looking for some pearls, I can dupe for you. Got a bunch GT ODST Church Hefe 20:41, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

I was a modder back in the day. I do not support it anymore, because it isnt as much fun to make new guns now as it was back then. I do dupe my weapons, usually just for fun. I duped 15 Elephant guns and would drop all of them when I felt like it just to freak people out.AngryBeaver 21:28, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

just my opinion, but i believe that duping makes up for the lack of one-person-picks-up-a-gun-and-everyone-gets-said-gun support. basically this encourages people to be nice to others and share instead of acting like an asshole and opening everyweapon chest before the rest of the party is in the room. i have been able to get some of the guns i didn't due to mean party members by duping. Im not saying that those who are opposed to duping have the wrong opinion or that they are the asshole players, but this is my way of seeing gearbox encourage cooperation between random players. i enjoy playing though with duped and modded weapons. i only started this after my second lvl 61 2nd playthough. i feel as though i haven't missed out on much, and the modded guns i use are a sniper with shock damage, 2.4 rof, and 2.5 zoom. it takes out crawmax's limbs in 3 hits each, which is far more than the bessie. i use guns that are realistic and i help friends and randoms powerlevel if they want me to. its their decision. i don't go off and kill lvl 61s for a lvl 3 without their permission. Again, modding and duping are other ways of getting more fun out of a game. the only way this is unfair is in duels where one person has a modded weapon and the other doesn't. in many reviews, Borderlands was shown as a "cooperative game" where one person picks up money and everyone gets it. this would be true if they weren't blind to the fact that no one cares about the money. what people care about is guns. SOOOO many assholes steal them and quit and if they don't, they get kicked for wanting a good weapon. perhaps in later patches, for every player in the game, that many versions of the same gun would be dropped by an enemy in a way that everyone could only pick up one copy., but they didn't. Thus, people dupe out of kindness so if you disapprove of duping, then the dupers won't dupe for you, but for the sake of those who want to, don't make a petition to Gearbox just because some people like sharing. (sorry if i ranted or repeated anything) ShadyCake 04:05, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hell, Ive never played online (personal choice, and experience with XBL crowd is that there are alot of dicks), so I never even tried duping. But from what I understand, if it has yet to be patched, do the developers really see it as a bad thing? If they know it happens, yet they keep letting it happen, doesnt that mean they're more or less okay with it? So with this logic, I say, if Gearbox isnt doing anything to stop it, and no one is really getting hurt, whats wrong? Lone-Wanderer 05:42, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've been through this argument so many damn times I know both sides of the argument and could argue with myself and come to a standstill if I did. I personally however am pro modding AND pro duping. Now to explain a bunch of shit. I'm pro modding. I have friends who mod (Before and after the patch) Before the patch people over did it, there were too many dumbasses just putting the Dove affect and Sledge's Shotgun affect on every single weapon they made. That got tiring, annoying, and generally all around retarded as fuck. However, I have a friend who modded interesting weapons, cool weapons. Hyperion revolver with corrosive damage? Epic Win. It was Christmas colors! Best all around shotgun in existence? Shotgun equivalent of a swiss army knife? Check. A revolver that shot burst fire rockets? Check. Shield that was OVER 9000!!!!? Check that too. This guy was awesome. He didn't just make a weapon that could just fire forever and kill everything while lagging the game to shit. None of his stuff ever lagged anything! He was a frigging genius. After the patch and third DLC? Guess what, Gearbox themselves made modded weapons into legit weapons. The Chopper? Modded, a weapon that fires it's entire huge ass clip with one pull of the trigger? That idea came from modded weapons. The Tsunami. Elemental SMG with epic firerate beastly damage, and two elements? Modded. Bessie? A 500% critical hit damage with over 1k damage? Come on. Think about it. There are legit weapons now that could outpreform modded weapons before the patch! That's why I'm pro-modding. As for duping? It's sharing stuff, that's it. That is the entirety of duping. I dupe weapons constantly. I have a tight group of friends and we have shared and refined our inventory to contain the best of the best rare and legendary weapons. I have every pearl weapon, every orange weapon, and some of the most badass purples you will ever have the glory to look upon. And most of it I am completely willing to share with random folks. Is that bad? Is that horrible that I want other people to have guns that make killing enemies that much more fun? Is it bad that I want my friends to have weapons that fit their personal playstyle the way they want it? They say the true meaning of Christmas is giving, well on my Borderlands game every day is Christmas, I give, and I recieve. On a final note. Duping does not make the game less fun, if anything it makes it more fun, comparing, trading, and duplicating weapons around to find the best versions of them, it helps you make friends and strive to find better stuff yourself, so you have the pride of saying, "Yeah, see that weapon that guy is using? Yeah, I found that." As for modding? Please, with the strength of weapons at this point modding is just for fun, or for farming. That's it. For just screwing around with your buddies, or searching for good actual legit loot by killing Crawmerax or farming promitory. To all of you naysayers out there, if it bothers you that much, then stfu, leave us alone to our fun, and avoid it yourselves. And with that, I bid you all adieu, and see you on the Borderlands.

ZylotheWolfbane 07:12, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

seems theres a new fad-the zz shredder shredder modded bessie im a pro dupe and mod guy alot of my guns are from killing crawmerfagget BABYILIKEPIE 12:29, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Im kind of for and against.If someone is fully done with the game,or has done it with another character then maybe they do have the right to mod/dupe.Modding alot of the time is just harmless fun,because people have done what they can with the game and want to mess about.Duping is maybe a bit different.For example,pearl guns are supposed to be rare and hard to get.Dupers just make it an easily accessible gun.Sure it's okay if your with a couple of mates and you get it maybe from a crate or from a drop and it's a bit unfair to say "No,It's mine and you can't have it,despite the fact you helped me get it".I'm on both sides of the argument,but is duping that necessary? Bit of a hard question to answer.Modding=Okish/For a Laugh Duping=???

I'm against both, except I think modding is okay under certain circumstances. Lets say you and three friends have killed Crawmerax about a million times. He finally drops the Pearl you all wanted. Who gets it? I would feel guilty taking it, but also ripped off if I didn't get it. Since everyone worked hard, I think duping is okay in that situation. Gunslinga 22:46, March 23, 2010 (UTC)Gunslinga

I agree in that situation where you all worked hard for hours and only 1 wapon is available fair enough a dupe is in order but in terms of trade......is another story all those saying " ill dupe loads of pearls if you got a ???weapon or mod", if there was no duping all these sweet and rare weapons would not be so common and people would not part with them in trades as they do now....sucks. PATCH DUPING!!! lol 23:03, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

umm, how do you dupe? -SuperBadSteveSuperBadSteve 00:07, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I used to dupe and mod but after a wile i got tired of the game and i realised that it was because i wasnt having fun stopping to see if the guns dropped were good. Matches 00:48, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

As long as a modded weapon doesnt fuck up the game for everyone else, I think its fine. In fact, I plan on trying to mod myself. As for duping, I see it as taking away the rarity of the orange and pearl guns, making them common. Now if I found any good orange and/or pearl weapons, I would stick with this argument. But since My three best oranges are the Jakobs Striker, skullmasher, and S&S Angry Crux (I believe that is the correct prefix), If someone asked me if I want a duped weapon, or if they could have a dupe of one of these three, I wouldnt have a problem with either. Lone-Wanderer 03:19, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Modding is just plain wrong, its like ruining a work of art. Colesitzy

Okay, I don't really care about duping, because I mod, and here is my case for why modding is good. First of all, now that patch 1.3 is out, people can no longer mod weapons to the extent that they could before. But to what extent can they now? Best-case scenarios. Now all that Borderlands modding is is making weapons the best that the game engine will make them; I see that as a perfectly legitimate way to obtain powerful weapons, except you don't do it in-game. You spend two minutes in WillowTree making a nice new weapon instead of hours on end grinding and farming loot chests. And you can still make weapons that never happen, but technically could. I have made several weapons like this, such as a Hyperion Anarchy and scopeless semi-auto sniper rifle. You can still screw with the game, but in a creative way, not a way that gets stupid, pointless, and overpowered weapons circulating online. Now that such weapons can no longer load on patched games, all we can do now is see what kind of things the game never actually makes, but could. It makes for some really entertaining results, encourages creative weapon contruction, and saves a lot of time. Would you rather spend that whole day farming for one weapon or take a couple minutes in WillowTree making it yourself? Oh, and all that talk about screwing up your save files, here's a tip: When you modify a save, altering one of your existing weapons, and you don't know if it will work, then save it as a separate save and put a "marker" on the save so you can recognize it from the load screen. Such a marker is usually just sending your character to a different location, such as Fyrestone from Skag Gully, or New Haven from Tetanus Warrens, or something similar. The Color 12, March 23, 2010

Now, this might just be random, but since we're talking about modding and duping and such, is the Dove the only weapon that has that infinite bullet effect? and can the Doves effect only be used on pistols? When I do start modding, its going to be simple things more along the line of switching out a barrel for this one or a scope for that one, and adding an elemental effect and what not. Just a question...Lone-Wanderer 15:18, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

After reading through this whole thing, it seems like most of the people that have things to say like "stfu" and "go get a life" are those who are pro modding/duping. I myself am against both, although I can see cases where duping could be useful. Such as if four people helped take down Crawmerax and he dropped only one gun worth keeping. Instead of fighting over who should get it, everyone contributed, so everyone should get a copy. That's legitimate. In a different case, I accidentally sold my survivor mod, so I asked a friend if he had a spare. He duped one for me instead, but I only used it until I found one like the one I had. I didn't even sell the duped one, I just dropped it and let it dissappear so as not to profit from it in any way. As to whether it should be patched, I can't say. It's useful in cases like this, but it is far too easily and too commonly exploited. It ruins that sense of accomplishment in finding a new better gun that no one else has. Instead, everyone has the new better gun. It would be great if Gearbox could find some way to keep the benefit of duping while removing the exploit. Like what someone said above, a trade system and/or everyone being able to pick up their own copy of a dropped gun.

As for modding, I am heavily against it. In fact, I think its retarded when people say "instead of putting hours or days or even weeks into loot grinding, why not just make the gun you want in willow tree in two minutes." Modding has ruined this game. I used to love comparing guns with my friends, until they started using modded guns. Now I feel like no matter what I find in the game, it will never be better or even comparable to theirs. I get a sense of pride from spending hours farming Crawmerax and the Armory and having a few good guns to show for it. Half the fun of the game is seeing what weapons I'll find next and hoping they'll be better than the last. I know everyone plays for their own reasons, but seriously. Modding is for pansies that don't want to put any work into finding a good gun. They'd rather take the easy route and get a good gun cheap and fast. And I completely disagree with the statement that "its a victimless crime." Modding messes with the coding. I never had a single problem with my game until my friend who uses modded guns joined my game. I started noticing all kinds of glitchy behavior once I played with him. Luckily I keep a backup save on a memory card. That stuff spreads like a virus. A modder has a few minor problems with their game that they don't care about and they play with a friend, then they start noticing problems but ignore them, then they pass it to another friend, and so on. Modding is flat out cheating. And to you modders, I present a simple question. How can you say you like a game if you have to mess with the coding and change the game itself to find any kind of enjoyment in it? Don't tell me to "stfu" and "go get a life" for playing a game the way it was MEANT to be played and enjoying it that way. If you want to mod, go ahead, but keep it offline and out of the community. AlexanderBlackX 02:59, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

i can see your point alexander, but as to your statement that the insensitive ones are those who are pro, just look at colestitzy's comment above. i can see your point but if you play on a PC, then where is a higher chance of glitching. i use modded guns after my 2nd lvl 61 and they dont mess the game up and they arent even overpowered. i use them to help those who want good guns to get good guns i.e. from farming crawmax and to power level my friends. im sorry that i oppose your opinion, but you can hardly say this is an "stfu" ShadyCake 03:09, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

That's the funny thing about opinions, they can't be wrong. Maybe misguided or misinformed, but not wrong. Don't apologize for disagreeing with me, disagreeing is half the fun of arguing. And I said MOST of the people that say things like that seem to be pro modding because thats how it appears after reading through this whole page. Though I did say most, not all. Although I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the above comment. Unless I'm reading the wrong one, he's simply saying that modding a good game is like ruining a masterpiece. I essentially said the same thing, that modding ruined this game. The comments I'm pointing out are lashing out at those of us who are anti modding. He's making a general statement about the game. It's not like he's telling modders to go fornicate themselves with a rusted iron stick or anything like that. I will retract that statement though, its not fair of me to say that, even though I just reread a little and saw another earlier post saying something about "whiny completionists" ruining the fun of modders. Having read that and other things like it made me a bit defensive. I play console, always have and always will. My PC friends tell me that the best thing about PC is modding. As far as I'm concerned, that's where it can stay. I can understand how it could be fun to see what kind of fun creative weapons you can create. I would probably have fun with that too. But as I said, keep it offline and out of the community. My one friend was showing me a bunch of the crazy weapons his friends have been giving him and I had to be the one to tell him they were modded. We got into a little argument over whether or not they were, but he finally conceded after thinking about it. That's one of the big issues here. When people don't know if things are modded, they get really defensive and pissed off when they find out they are. Even after that argument, he has a few other weapons that are questionable, like his Bessie with 1537 x 3 damage. He's under the impression its legitimate. He's never seen a Bessie before. How's he supposed to know whether or not it's modded. It seems like the one thing that's worse than duping and modding is duping modded weapons. Of course (and I fully admit the hypocrisy in this statement) it seems like the only thing worse than that is people fighting about duping and modding.

And to those who have never heard this, I present a nugget of wisdom that fits many situations, such as this.

"Opinions are like ass holes: Everyone has one and most of them stink."

AlexanderBlackX 07:11, March 25, 2010 (UTC)