User talk:Dr. Clayton Forrestor




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"maybe not a whole planet . . .id settle for a forest moon . . . with ewoks to shoot (heh, heh)Dr. Clayton Forrestor 10:41, December 2, 2009 (UTC)" =Welcome= Hi, my screen name is Dr. Clayton Forrestor. you can call me Dr. F. i am a sysop (bureaucrat) for this wikia wiki. if i can be of service in any way please contact me. enjoy.
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drcforrestor on AIM & gtalk. facebookraptrtwitter --> (this used to be a thing on wikia)

Minions of Dr. F
Darkseide

A LB gamer

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DR.
A, Dr.F, are you a real Dr., or is that just your screen name?
 * i am in fact not a doctor of any kind. dr clayton forester was a character from war of the worlds and on mystery science theater 3000, a tv show on comedy central and the sci-fi channel. 17:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's time you should see Dr. F about ENGORGE!! He'll prescribe to almost anyone. Daemmerung 18:37, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Signatures
Do only sysops,moderators or admins get unique custom signatures? ☻BLObOrt☻ 16:18, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, Any user can have a custom signature if they wish, there is a section on my talk page which tells you how, look for Claptraps post< 16:58, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

j-nox is correct. anyone can have a custom sig. make a page with your sig. then make a page refering to the first. enter the second page into your preferences pane for signature. it is preferable to have these pages under your user:namespace (such as user:blobort/sig & user:blobort/sig/prefs) 20:20, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Borderlands 2
*cough* This ignores the high likelihood of a "Borderlands 2 Wiki". -- WarBlade 07:42, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * aha! i have you at last!  borderlands 2 already defaults here!  ha ha, you fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
 * *cough* Highfive... anyone...?? :D 08:12, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Here comes the flood
Of new guys. All able men to the portside armaments! Batton down the article hatches! You called it though. ;)GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 18:29, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Is "plugging" acceptable?
Hello, Dr. F,

Prissybitch, here with a request. I trust your opinion and judgement. I've recently joined a PS3 gaming group/forum that caters to adult gamers looking for folks to coop with. So far I really enjoy the camaraderie of the group. When I first visited here I found that, sadly, there weren't many PS3 users here to converse with. I still love the wiki and visit it often for game reference.

I would like to drop a plug for the group in the Watercooler forum or even the PS3 trading forum. Would this be acceptable under wiki rules and etiquette? I just want to offer other PS3 users a place to find other PS3 users who still play the game and will be playing BL2.

Any advice you could offer in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Prissy:) 03:10, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * social groups and websites are not subject to the rules for commercial sites. any and all communities and groups for this, or any, game may be endorsed, shamelessly plugged and yes, even pimped.  very good question PB ty4askn.   04:50, May 26, 2012 (UTC) Blogs too. specially blogs.   blogs

Thanks for your support and prompt reply. Good day to ya! 11:43, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

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Videos
I'm going to say this with as much tact as I can: "WTF is this shit !?"
 * http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Toil_and_Trouble
 * http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Where_Angels_Fear_to_Tread_Part_2
 * http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/The_Once_and_Future_Slab
 * http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Wildlife_Preservation
 * http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/The_Talon_of_God

Since when are we IGN's personal video host? Where you aware about this? I'm not sure I can really communicate how much I despise videos on a wiki. They undermine the core "community" aspect of a wiki. They belong on talk, blog or user. NOT mainspace.

Anyways, I was going to remove them, but:
 * 1) They've been here since September 27th and no one has removed them yet.
 * 2) The person to have uploaded them is User:JAlbor, on the "Wikia Community Development Team".

Do you have any stance? happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 17:19, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * there is, unfortunately, a push for videos (yes, any videos) on wikia at the moment. recently, or while you were out, staff hardcoded "related videos" into the format.  i believe this did not get the desired response.  in order for it to seem as though many videos are linked i believe staff is attaching all "official" and corporate partner (IGN is GBX partner in Blands1) videos whether they are published or not.

you may, as an admin, Be Bold and take it upon yourself to move the vids. i dont think even the admins can actually delete wikia video library files. i cannot as i have agreed to go along w/ staff on this and several other projects which may or may not come to fruition.

however comma i must ask this as well. are you ok w/ the challenge walkthrough spam of videos on challenges pages? i cannot take a stand against one and support the other. likewise i do not think we can only suppress jorge's (IGN's) videos. my own opinion is videos may be presented in a blog or forum as visual aids and enjoy the freedom of expression each user is granted in those namespaces. narrated videos, imo, should be banned from the internet forever. that said simple gameplay walkthroughs have been used (1, ONE, per page) since 2009.
 * thank you for asking and allowing me to soapbox.  19:32, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

9 months later... The inclusion of guides on the wiki will inherently include videos but the goal is to "cull out" vids that are bloated, replacing such vids for concise ones. Should there be a criteria policy for video? 18:18, July 24, 2013 (UTC) the point being discussed here was what to do w/ staff's torrent of unpublished video uploads/inclusions. last i looked they were not orphans like images are, i should check that. community can decide which video(s) are suited to remain in articles. right now there is not a major competition. 22:03, July 24, 2013 (UTC) Good point... So your saying that we need better videos right? I'll get on it. 11:51, July 25, 2013 (UTC)}}

BackToTop
Any chance we can put a BackToTopButton in our wikia footer? (This is after my failing to manually code the #top function into a particularly long page.) 07:42, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * please blog or forum proposal. good idea.   17:26, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

zoom
I hope you know the answer. What is the base zoom for weapons? I can't find it anywhere online. A sniper rifle with a 1.0x zoom can see further than a pistol (with scope of course) with 1.0x zoom. So what's the base zoom for each weapon? And how is this measured? Render distance, in-game meters, field of view decrease, aim down the sights?
 * a good question yet difficult to answer. at least one character has skills to change base zoom of every weapon.  i suggest you start a blog or forum to invite research into base of manufacturer's and model's base zoom.  it would draw some interest at the very least.   03:42, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki Links
Hi can you please add the Interwiki Links for Axton and Gaige pages.

For Axton page:

Axton

For Gaige page: Gaige

Done 19:23, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * danke. both of yall. 19:37, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding but I forgot to write that the Zer0 page needs the Interwiki Link too. Can you please add it? Zer0

Got it. Also informed user of power to edit. 09:17, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Regarding locations and their "maps"
I have recently started fixing up some of the pages with broken file links, with special interest paid to those needing maps (location pages), since I know I can get those. While doing this, I noticed that some location pages without broken file links are still without maps, and instead have an intro slide (Eridium Blight) or a screenshot (Bloodshot Ramparts). I was just wondering if I should replace those with maps, or if they're fine how they are now. 00:05, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * please move the splash image to a thumbnail in the article (so as not to orphan it). ty4ask.  maps are preferred for the |map = of infobox.   01:00, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Possible Mistake
Right, I'm not sure if this is meant to happen and is only visible to me... but I created a page for builds (it's rather sparse atm) in my userspace (subpage here -> User:KillarDeez/Builds). I placed it under the category of "Borderlands 2 Builds" instead of a specific character (mostly because I didn't pay enough attention when looking at the Builds page, else wise i'd have noticed that there are no user pages on the main cat), and on account of this (presumably) KillarDeez/Builds is now on the drop down list for Borderlands 2 Builds. If this is just for me, then I apologize, and if I managed to bugger it up and EVERYONE can see it then I apologize even more. I've since changed the page cat to "Gaige Builds", but it's still in the drop down. You have my permission to delete the page if necessary. 06:07, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * sometimes we need to clear history or wait for the locel server to reset to see things as intended. seeing as you caught your own error well tag it as a learning exp.  ive said i dont mind what users do in their own namespace but youve made a good point.  dont f**k w/ Mr. 0 (when harry met sally).  something to keep an eye out if others happen to do the same.  thanks for keeping me informed.   11:21, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Help Needed
Hi! As you may or may not have noticed, I've been having a discussion with WarBlade about some things, and it seems that I'm getting nowhere at all. For some reason, he refuses to talk to me. Can I ask you to at least address the issues properly here? Thanks. 14:53, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * per User_talk:Dr._Clayton_Forrestor above the effort is moving along to put maps in the actual "|map=" slot. warblade is w/i policy advising you to run a blog for support.  ive got an image & a map slot on Neverwinter so thats doable as well.  if you can get enough support itll happen.   17:13, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Old Orphans
I've been poking around in the orphans and trying to thin their number a tad, and I have come to a minor set back. Many of the images are Borderlands 1 infocards, which there is not currently (that I'm aware of) a location for. I was wondering if there should be variant charts made for these weapons/shields/etc. and if it's even possible to make a variant chart for these items (I assume it is, but I've been wrong before). If variant charts are not a possibility, then I was thinking of just making a variant subpage of my user, for the orphans (like I've done with my builds subpage). Feedback is much appreciated. 20:32, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * the variant chart was decided as a place to put images. it used to be a section of the talk page but that got cumbersome.  before the talk page charts users would just add an image anywhere, or even not at all just uploading w/o publishing.  this got to be too big so we (I) required that images be categorized and published.  most were.  there are some that just need to go away, sadly.   21:21, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

What witchcraft is this!?
I've been trying to update the map images for the BL2 locations (as we talked about earlier) and I've come across something that I find... perplexing... I planned to replace the image on Tundra Express with an image that isn't as cluttered and discovered that according to the infobox... there isn't any image at all. There also are not any images later in the page. Figured I would ask you about this "ghost image" before I got rid of it. 21:15, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * against my wishes the template was designed to include a default image of .png thus redlinking if image is not present. this tends to attract slackers who merely click the link and provide an image at the default locale.  if you add/edit-in a map it will override the default.  please republish the image elsewhere or on the talk page.  ty.   21:29, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Pull the Pin image
I was confused about the image deletion and only just now understand that it was uncategorised. I tried to reupload and categorise it but was brought to the upload warning page and am unsure where I was going wrong, and also as to where to add categories. Skittery (talk) 21:49, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * on the right hand column of edit UI is categories. also you can add to upload dialog. either way is fine. note that category is the catch all, other cats are there just please dont make one up as that can get out of hand. ive restored the image from deletion. ty4asking. Njoy!  06:44, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for restoring and for the clarification! Skittery (talk) 08:43, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Submachine Guns vs. SMGs
I was checking out the categories list and noticed that we have SMGs as a wanted category and Submachine Guns as an existing one. Was just wondering if you'd like all the entries in SMGs to be moved to Submachine Guns or vice-versa.

15:24, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * id have to check but i think the in game name for these is submachine guns in first game and SMGs in second. 18:14, August 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * The SMG "wanted" category is being generated by people listing "SMG" under type in the weapon infobox. It should be Submachine Gun. The infobox is out of date in that regard, and has a couple of other similar problems that I'm aware of. I had hoped that Happypal would get around to doing the needed updates, but he's somewhat absent these days, and the one time I took a serious look at it I hit a snag and backed off again. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:46, August 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Should I just ignore it for the time being then? Or is there something I could do? I could look into changing SMGs into Submachine Guns in the infoboxes, but it seems like that isn't really the problem. 02:56, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

i should think it better if the latter removes the category. try changing a few SMGs to Submachine Guns. while quite the undertaking it should sort the "wanted" problem. ty. happypal announced on my talk page and in a blog that he (assumed) has quit both this and his curse wiki. he is available for the odd job if asked but is no longer an active user. 08:40, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's done. All "SMG"s are now "Submachine Gun"s. Compared to pix w/o cats, that was nothing. :) 05:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

New team member
There is a new liaison/greeter,. I leave it up to your discretion if a liaison is automatically a chatmod. He is definitely a trusted user and likes helping people and doing tasks on the wiki. He probably should be established in other teams as well, again your discretion. 06:45, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Location images blog post
Hi! Can I ask you (because you are an administrator on this Wiki) to comment and contribute to my blog post? I need the input of more prominent users of the Wiki and would like to hear your opinion! (same message sent to the other admins and community members) 16:43, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume that my proposal for the infobox image changes is approved, even though only two admins have responded. To use the Switch template however, some additional Javascript is necessary. Can I ask you to add this to the MediaWiki:Common.js? Thanks! 22:55, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * cite source please.  21:22, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Source? The author and site are clearly mentioned at the beginning of the script. 21:06, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

tx. totally missed that. 21:51, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * i noticed the close syntax tag @ end w/o an open syntax tag. i got the rest of the header from the site.  check that next time or just link to the java, vice (mis)quoting.   22:04, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I just copied the code from my own Wikis, works perfectly so I figured it wouldn't be a problem. Thanks for adding that JS, I'll get started on the location infoboxes. 22:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Link to great page
Just letting you know that I intend to add a link to the policy section on blocking. I discovered the policy was in effect, of sorts, already (but not published).

Right now it is left up to the discretion of the individual admin on how to implement this policy (which I have no problem with) but Users are telling other Users that they are in violation and the policy needs to be more concrete for all Users to know the boundaries.

Specifically, Warblade informed me that Edit wars are forbidden and that he adapts a rough version of the three revert rule.

I propose that the Blocking Policy sentence: "Other vandalism refers to vandalism that does not fit into the above categories. This would include moving a page to a bad name, swearing, and more."

Be changed to: "Other vandalism refers to vandalism that does not fit into the above categories. This would include moving a page to a bad name, prolonged edit wars, swearing, and more."

The reasons I intend to add this link are the following:
 * 1) The policy is already in place but not published.
 * 2) Provides clear guidelines to both admins and users.
 * 3) Provides sound advice and guidelines on resolving conflict.
 * 4) Users can link and quote the guidelines to other Users in a consistent manner.
 * 5) Simple link to a great source covers all of the above.

I believe that any policy that is in place should be published and concrete as possible.

Unclear rules is what brought about this discovery. If you would like to know more, it started on EDIT:STATUESQUE (HISTORY AND TALK PAGE) THEN MOVED TO User talk:InfinitysCross, then my talk page, then finally User talk:WarBlade.

A simple link will take care of it. 06:51, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * edit warring is not vandalism. it is an offense in it's own right. 21:56, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Very good point. I will add it to the Simplified ruleset instead:

 Do Not Be Bold  if you are expressing your opinion, engaging in edit wars, or changing the wiki's format. Please make suggestions on talk page and consult this wiki's policies. 08:44, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I have added the note and now the (3RR,24-hour) policy is officially in both practice and published. 12:09, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Location Infobox issue
For some reason, all location infoboxes now place a |}} at the beginning of their articles. If you mouse over the template for them in visual editor, it shows the "|}}" text as included in the template. I have not the slightest clue how one might go around fixing this. Also, it should be noted that this occurs on both the new infoboxes (with the image switch) and the "old" ones. Hopefully you know how to fix this, or at least where to start. If the fix is something to be done on the page itself (as opposed to the templates, which is what I suspect), I am completely willing to help. EDIT: It's worse than I suspected. It seems ALL infobox templates are doing it. 00:44, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * i left a message with bere requesting that he clean up any extraneous code left over from his recent change to the template:infobox page. this will allow for the opportunity for the original code monkey to rectify the problem (soonish) before the nuclear option is initiated. thanks for pointing out the problem. cheers.

03:39, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

i tried counting the brackets. i have a suspect but i think fry is correct in letting the person who last had it sort it. 03:47, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

What do you get when you cross 2 chatmods, an admin and a bureaucrat?
I have official apologized to Acegikmo31 on behalf of the wiki. I have also linked the Simplified ruleset to the three revert rule for official clarity and consistency in use. I am glad that the wiki has benefited and that differences were worked out. 13:10, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Skin images
Do we have a proper category to put images of character skins into? The Skins Category claims to be only for articles. If we don't, could I create some (individual category for each character, much like the Builds categories)? Thanks as always for your help!

14:47, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * is that reword satisfactory? ty for heads up.   11:07, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

BL1 Variants
I have begun redoing BL1 variant charts in my own userspace, adding in Manufacturer, Rarity, and some other information which is shown on BL2 variants, as well as removing all entries without images. I've also added a number previously orphaned images. I haven't done a huge number thus far, and because I did all the variant charts on one page for each weapon type (so as to not have hundreds of pages in my userspace), the reference lists don't appear correctly (the coding is fine, though), but you can see some of what I've done here. I was wondering if I could (a) create variant pages like we have for BL2 using these charts or (b) replace the existing variant charts on the weapon talk pages with these new ones.

Thanks as always for your help and consideration.

00:06, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * i would very much rather we left borderlands pages and their subpages alone. fortunately for you this is not up to me. if you get enough support for your overhaul via blog/forum by policy i must allow it. keep me posted on how that goes. 06:32, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * iatbr note: Dr.F is getting soft... He forgot to warn you that he will ban any such user that gains support, starts the project and doesn't finish it (prolly... on a scale this big anyway). Killa has my support though since the wiki will improve. 06:42, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think I'll do a few more charts in my user space before I suggest it to the community... maybe a lot more. There are going to be (roughly) 139 items which would require new charts. When I'm better prepared (and university isn't just starting up again) I will make a proposal for this. 02:29, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * wisdom prevails. curse you IatBR!  you have meddled in my plottings long enough.  probly still give you a kit of rare stuff when you get to 60 in neverwinter though so hollow curses yet curses still.   09:43, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Collaboration
Hi!

From what I can see, you are the main manager of the Borderland Wiki. I want to ask you about collaborating with Duxter  . They are making a Borderlands 2 portal on their website, one of section on the portal will be a wiki. I am wondering if you are interested in collaborating with them.

If possible could you add me on Skype bestgorillaman or email me at bestgorillaman(at)gmail(dot)com for more information.

GorillaMan September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * as duxter is members only i cannot assess the merits of collaboration. i am not aware of any agreements between wikia and duxter.  if there are any i should be aware of please link them to me.  i, for one, do not have need of more wikis to manage or edit, i am full.  you may recruit members via a blog however comma if duxter is a membership service, wikia may be due revenue for such activities.  should there ever be a wiki viewable by non members please let me know, i should like to see it.  my skype and gmail are listed above, i accept all friend requests.   13:47, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia and Duxter have no agreement with each other, however as Duxter is setting up a Borderland wiki I though the best place to turn for help is the already existing wiki at Wikia and ask for help. Sadly Duxter does not yet have features such as the more commonly know wikis where you can click the edit button and edit the page, the Duxter staff have set up a "drawing board" which is than filled up with the necessary info and finally transferred onto their portal. I am just asking for help from one person, I understand that you are busy, however would you mind referring an admin who would possibly take up this job?

GorillaMan 02:31, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * the admins here are quite busy as you can imagine w/ content still releasing. you might recruit by way of a blog.  i am sure some folks want to join at the beginning of something.  even if they dont get to actually edit.  in your blog you might also explain the membership benefits of duxter (there are none on its front page that i saw).   02:47, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

CONFUSED BUT NOT DAZED
Will you ever edit that  leave me a message b(a)rderlands thing? im confused. 22:37, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * 02:40, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * it gets worse.

03:11, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Assassin WHAT?

?username template not appearing on that page? 13:27, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

umm... WHHHHHHHAAAAATTTT? 00:52, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind i get it, it just says the name of your account. Coool. 22:43, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Categorizing Sound Files???
I was clearing out the pix w/o cats again and I came across this, File:Audio Streaming 03298.ogg... I was wondering if there was a category for things like that, because as have no idea where to put it. It's audio from CL4P-TR4P during one of the early missions in the game, and it has been placed on the transcript page for that mission. Thanks as always for your help. :)

03:11, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * i used user specific.    03:57, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

DLC or No?
Should infoboxes for enemies/characters/etc introduced through Digistruct Peak Challenge have the DLC name in the "appearences" section, or should that be left blank? 17:03, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * They should identify the DLC they appear in. This time it's a bit of a problem with the full name though, so I'm leaning towards the text after the colon, eg. "Digistruct Peak Challenge." -- WarBlade (talk) 20:13, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

That seems reasonable for all non-location pages, but location pages automatically make the text in the appearances section into a link... Should a redirect page be made so as to accommodate this? 23:09, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:18, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait, no. There's an unadvertised parameter I built in ages ago to get around a similar DLC problem with the Natural Selection Annex. Use this instead:
 * | dlc2       =
 * -- WarBlade (talk) 23:27, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

tyvm. both. 02:50, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Chatmod Request?
I am curious as to how someone would go about becoming a chat mod. I haven't been on this wiki for a terribly long time, but I am a member of a team already, and being a liaison requires knowledge of policy (including chat policy). Just curious if it's a possibility.

17:25, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * You'd have to go through me first <_< I see no reason for new chat mods, as generally, the chat is dead, and either I or InfinitysCross is in there. If chat does get more popular, I'd consider you for the job. 23:47, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

in answer to your question the LiveChat function is almost as new as those who moderate it. there would have to be a need for a moderator communicated to me by a sitting moderator for one to be appointed. as i mostly eschew LiveChat and FryGuy is the admin who used to run the wiki by it, i only interfere w/ LiveChat upon request(s). any misconduct by any user may be appealed to an admin or me. it is highly recommended that there be grounds for such an appeal (preferably backed up by screen shots). 02:50, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * May not have the power, but noone else will suggest new chat mods either. I see no reason other than the fact that it is a possibility that some other mod may suggest to say that I don't have the authority to do so. 03:05, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

If there is a chatmod request, it can be made to the community. Every user has the right to ask for a position by his/her peers. That being said, Crayolaz is pretty much head chatmod having made the policy and is accepted as such by his peers. I am not sure who would suggest new chatmods EDIT:WHEN NOT NEEDED other than individual users who would want to ask the community. I would think both the support and blessing of both Dr.F and Crayolaz would be appreciated for any such user willing to ask the community.

It is a bit different than liaison, since liaison work is unofficial and inglorious. All official positions either are appointed by Dr.F as needed or appealed to the community. For that matter, I have never contemplated the position of Rollbackers. Can a user ask the community for Rollbacker status? Thoughts Dr.F? 09:02, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * rollbacks are usually selected from SSCC and Gatekeepers. btim by proven diligence and merit (vice community support).   09:16, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, so yes... Killa may ask the community but it doesn't look like the head chatmod is supportive. It would be an uphill battle plus this community doesn't respond to requests unless prompted it seems. 09:32, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, twas simply curious. If the chat becomes more lively I will ask again, until then I will remain as I am now, I liaison/greeter obsessed with organization. I see no reason to make a request for a position if the head of the group does not see a need. In so saying this, I'll still keep the rules of chat in mind whilst there, and notify a chatmod if significant issue arises (i.e. a group of 10 year olds wrecks the place). 13:18, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Diligence and merit are the best words from this conversation. I rarely go into chat because it is mostly dead. Even when people are there, I jump in, say Hi and nothing cause peeps are AFK. As greeter, if you want to jump in and say hi that is cool. You can also open their talk page with a official greeting if you encounter someone friendly or new. You can report all instances to Crayolaz, and if they add up he will prolly support you just to get off his back... kidding There may be a need for it EDIT:EVENTUALLY, but as a greeter you have every right to be outreaching in chat as well. 18:04, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * testing
 * 12:03, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

testing 123 return test concluded

Expert Showcase Invitation
Hey there Dr. Clayton!

Wikia has recently been doing these short video conversations we call Expert Showcase. We'll be doing one sometime next month about large scale shooters. Borderlands largely defines the genre today, so I thought you would be a great expert to have on the show.

Participating is easy. We just ask you hop on a google hangout and chat about the game and your thoughts on the genre (of sorts). You can see an example. If you're interested, let me know on my talk page (or send an email to jorge(at)wikia-inc.com) and I'll send you more details and the like.

It should be a lot of fun, so I hope you consider it.

All the best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 18:20, September 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * i should think that would be quite fun. provided the conditions discussed when last we skyped are met. ill contact you via email or steam. tx for the invite.
 * Cool. Send that email when you can as we nail down guests. Should be the week of the 14th that we'll record. : Jorge (profile)•(talk) 22:39, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

event recorded before the 14th. any chance of a link to the show? 22:43, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

fanon
Hi there! I was just here to tell you that the Borderlands Fanon Wiki is being revived and remade. I noticed that you have signed up and that you may have been interested. If you still are interested, I was wondering if you could come and help out a bit. If you can I will be very, very grateful. Thanks for your time.

Food is an important part of a balanced diet. (talk) 16:28, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * i am interested in reading fan generated/authored fiction. for recruitment i suggest you run a blog and a forum on this wiki. there are enough creative people here to get something going if they just know there is a place to publish it. Njoy! 17:17, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll do that then. Thanks for the suggestion.
 * Food is an important part of a balanced diet. (talk) 18:00, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Templating Userboxes
I have made a few userboxes pertaining to the ownership of BL2 DLC (found here) and was wondering if I was allowed to template them, or if I had to request it/it wasn't possible/it requires blood sacrifice? I figured that BL1 had userboxes for all the DLC, so I may as well make some for BL2 as well. Any and all help is appreciated. 02:30, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * yes. only request i make of userboxes in mainspace is that they be usable by all and relevant to blands or the wiki.  id suggest trying to make them more uniform in size though that is not a requirement.  good job filling the void.   06:56, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Creating sound categories
A user has voiced concern to me involving sound files and their current lack of proper categorization. Is it possible to create categories for these files, or does this require a proposal? If a proposal is needed, I will make one. Thanks as always for your time. 15:31, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Category:Audio Files. thanks for asking.  please inform dude that his efforts are appreciated.

BL2 weapons part information and possible legitimacy checker
I was wondering if you could have a look at this (starting at "As a counter question"). I think that the idea proposed by this user is a good one, and if we can actually check legitimacy, will be a major boon to the wiki. I'm mostly wondering if a proposal would be required for this or if it can be done without one. Your input is highly appreciated. 16:22, October 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * i suggest(ed) subpage(s) for parts. if a list is desired. we had some laughs @ Forum:Ask_the_experts._Is_this_Modded%3F.  if anyone wants to put themself forward as an expert they can, of course, run a blog.   05:12, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

wiki Fu
...How do you do all the stuff on this page...?Iceheart anarchy125 (talk) 20:06, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * go to edit the page or section in source mode for the markup language. experiment on your own talk page and/or user page.  heres and easy one:

thats for the mailbox pic w/ link to YOUR talk page. 04:44, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Burst fire notation
So there's a standard way burst fire is noted on Dahl weapons, which is the current (Burst-Fire x3) and so on note in parenthesis. The problem is, as numerous other people have observed, this looks awkward as hell when the information doesn't get filled out, since the default entry is "(Burst-Fire ?)", which varies by capitalization and hyphenation compared to the way the game puts it, and also seems like someone with a poor grasp of the English language is asking if it should be spelled "Burst-Fire" instead. Anyway, ages ago I suggested a new format to (among other people) User:MadCrayolaz: "(X-round burst)", which would convey the same information and (importantly) not look like crap in its default form, "(?-round burst)". The reaction was positive, and it was supposed to be suggested as the new default... only nothing ever came of it. It's been a while, and I'm kind of feeling like doing something, and more importantly I'm sick to death of seeing that stupid badly-spaced "Burst fire when zoomed(Burst-Fire ?)" all over Dahl weapon variant charts. Right now I'm in the process of switching things over to the format I proposed. I figure a small portion of the inertia is probably getting the edits done in the first place, and I'm feeling up to it right now. If it's not wanted for whatever reason then just hit the ol' undo button, I won't be upset, but I thought I'd let you know what was going on so you didn't think this was just arbitrary mass-editing. -- Yukichigai (talk) 05:07, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * it will most likely be undone or rolled back without a blog or forum to support it. crayola should have suggested you create one to support your mission.  you could, and i advise you to do so, make one now and see what kind of support you get from the community.  otherwise you may be blocked for overhauling w/o charter.  then again so few current users care enough about consistency and continuity that you might get away w/ it.  your choice.  ty 4 letting me know though.   12:22, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Candidates for Deletion
There are more than 175 files currently marked as candidates for deletion, and a number of them are timestamped at more than 2 weeks ago. Is it possible to remove these files from the site, or is a larger purge sought? 17:26, October 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a question of time investment. I chip away at the pile from time to time, but you might have noticed that there is new content being documented at the moment, and there are a problematic number of poor quality edits to try and tidy as well. We'll get to it... eventually. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:46, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware it was handled one at a time, though now that I think about it, that does make sense. I had thought of the deletion process as similar to emptying your computers recycling bin. I do agree that the new content is more important, and wasn't trying to say that you should shift your attention. Cheers for the quick response, and good luck dealing with the edits. 22:13, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * it has been a while since we had a deletions temp op. the last one was fry i bleve.   22:41, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Gearbox Twitter
Hey there Dr. Clayton!

So Wikia's been chatting with the folks over at Gearbox lately in hopes of getting them more involved with the Borderlands wiki. One simple thing we were thinking of doing to help was inquire about adding the Gearbox twitter account to the Borderlands mainpage. A lot of Wikia communities do this and it's a good way to visitors know what's going on with the game world, events, and the like. Let me know if you have a problem with it, it'd be great to get the twitter embedded up there on the right rail soon.

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 18:12, October 24, 2013 (UTC) make sure they know you are referring to the wikia wiki as they have named the curse wiki the official one (even though the head writer uses the wikia one :D) 01:37, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * i think adding the gearbox twitter feed would be great. they post sh!ft codes there quite often or at least links to sh!ft codes. if you or joeplay would be so kind as to add that we'd be much appreciative.
 * Wha? Really? When did they mention the other one as official? That's weird. But yea, I'll go ahead and it. Gotta get those sweet sh!ft codes. Jorge (profile)•(talk) 20:09, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

tx m8. the curse wiki was named official ages ago but there is so little activity over there even happypal doesnt visit it much, and he founded it. if any i should think the ign should be official as they were venture partners in the first game (gamespy is IGN for you folks watching @ home). naturally this one could not b/c of community editing though that didnt hinder Trendy any when they made wikia the official Dungeon Defenders Wiki. that and the animosity present btwn the forums on gearbox(ity) and myself. probly if you fired me theyd name wikia as official in a minute! ha ha. . ha. . h-hemph 23:52, October 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Even I didn't know the curse wiki was named official :D Well, curse has been signing contracts to be called official in an attempt to get exposure, but we all know "official" means nothing with wikis (heck, often, its negative, because it implies a totalitarian organization, contrary to what wikis (usually) strive for). happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 09:06, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * What? You mean this isn't my own little world? Who are you and what are you doing on my wiki? Seriously though, exposure is overrated... a wiki exists because of the love of the subject, not the love of exposure... although it does get lonely. I could use some help, you know 15:53, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

ty both for so eloquently demonstrating my points. mob rule wikis are better if more work & wed do it anyway. 11:01, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Reflections and Horizons
Hi There!

With the next generation of consoles all set to launch in a couple of weeks, Wikia thought it would be the perfect time for some of our most active community members to take a fond look back at the current generation. We’d love if you’d provide us with a piece — however long you see fit — wherein you reminisce about a topic of your choosing related to the current generation. We are going to present what you write in an upcoming feature called “Reflections.”

For example, you could write about some of your favorite Borderlands moments, or what the franchise has meant to you over the course of the current generation. Maybe you can provide us with some funny anecdotes that illustrate why the game is so fun and engaging. Or, you can simply write more generally about what this last generation has meant to you.

We’re going to be looking to the future, as well, with a similar feature titled “Horizons.” If you could also let us know, in as many words as you like, what trends you’d like to accompany the next generation of games (and what you DON’T want to see) we’d really appreciate it.

Let me know what you think or if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Mhadick (talk) 20:52, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

note: If you're interested, please let me know as soon as possible. We'd like to have something by early Monday morning, ideally.

revisions
Hey,

Im just writing you as some random admin here. I would like to "streamline" all the weapon entries for borderlands 2. Most importantly replacing all the image files with lvl 30 uncommon versions of the weapons for easier reference and comparison (or other levels, i just think lvl 30 is a nice number). Now what im writing you for is to ask if this is ok. I never worked on a wiki before, so, yeah. Let me know.

MattoFrank (talk) 13:15, November 9, 2013 (UTC) MattoFrank
 * it is not. sweeping revisions and overhauls must be supported by the majority of the community. images of weapons is the first, best (cleanest, not oversized) image posted regardless of element or attachments. if you would like to change all articles to the way you want them to be you must run a forum of blog to garner support for your project. if you receive approval by the community you may then proceed. note that if you do not complete your project after campaign and approval you will be banned.


 * replacing all article images w/o consent will earn you a block. continuing after the block will eventually get you banned. 15:03, November 9, 2013 (UTC) the random admin.

I think that all gun levels should be 36-40 since this is halfway through the game, giving leeway for 8 OP levels. This would give me the best cross section of guns for any of my characters at any level. I will get right on it just as soon as I adapt all templates to my needs.

-Let my ideas ring forth and let not the wiki or warning hinder my ascent. 19:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * noted. we are not amused.  but your support for the forthcoming initiative is noted.   20:50, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm still stuck on the "random admin" bit. That's the best bit. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:03, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

im thinking of changing my signature over this. 21:31, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm stuck on passing to Mad. That was smooth work. <- Bot learning some tricks 00:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I started a vote, please check it out:

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Pure_Gun_Images_for_BL2_Gun_Pages

MattoFrank (talk) 20:42, November 10, 2013 (UTC) MattoFrank
 * nicely done. ty.   20:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

You're Welcome
Got Matto to make a correct forum, and contact people in the right way. At least he listens well :P If you need, feel free to divert anyone else to me, I can easily handle briefing of this. 21:03, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * dont wait for diverts mate. jump right in. 21:07, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

We will make a liaison and greeter of Mad yet. 19:12, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Images Policy Update
There is mention of an update to the images policy on the latest proposal (by User:MattoFrank). I was wondering if you could tell me what the update might entail, as a large portion of the work I do on the wiki (or at least the day-to-day work) involves that policy. Thanks in advance. 18:08, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I imagine that since a save-editor came up in the proposal, that the proposal will affect policy on found guns. <- Robot just guessing 18:23, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * if the forum is now about a save editor i can assume it is safe to close it and draw from the discussion whatever changes to policy are needed. is this the case? if not what has the save editor to do w/ images? are the images tagged w/ save edit water mark? 22:56, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

I was just butting in where I don't belong (again). I didn't mean to take away from Killa's question. To answer your question, it would be best to look at fry's comments on the discussion part of the forum. I thought you put the notice up right after Fry commented, but I was incorrect. 05:37, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

I have made a forum to combine all the current events. Please add any policy that you have concern with and vote. 02:05, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

The above forum had a grievous error that I have fixed. Also, I have a Ubox tag for you if you wish to use it:

03:27, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Different direction for fanon
The admin bureaucrat for the fanon wiki seems to want some cannon stuff. I suggested asking permission from this site to transpose. 00:21, November 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * anything on a(ny) wikia wiki may be used w/o permission on any other wikia wiki. it is considered good manners to cite source when borrowing but it is not required.  ty for liaise.   15:25, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ears ringing?
Something you might find interesting. Its my rock and hard place. 13:01, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Initial argument
You are just way too good at this crap. 15:06, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * 10Q 01:49, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

debt
Hey,BELIAL222 is speaking to you!!!I have a message you owe me! (edit)(undo) Belial222 15:38, 17 December 2013
 * so you have a message which i owe you. interesting. what does it say? 12:00, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * And that is not all... From my count you owe at least 9 users messages that they have. These things snowball unless you pay attention to them. 15:37, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

re: background checks
I'm not sure why the background was off like that, but I just reuploaded it, and it looks fine now. JoePlay http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/a/a5/WikiaStaff2.png (talk)  17:17, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

indeed it does. tyvm. 17:26, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Category display
Have you ever messed with the Category Exhibition in the Features? It shows the default of exhibition but gives a choice in the top right for either view. I bring it up because it is an extra tool if you want it and I find it easier to switch sometimes.

I am looking for an item from Pirate's Booty and don't think its properly cat'ed so will have to go in game and find it on a mule sometime to check the name (if I saw a pic I would know). 11:16, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Skill Tree Display
For quick reference: -- WarBlade (talk) 23:18, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Sabaal - working example
 * Machine-readable tables & charts - project discussion on my Talk page

mong blocked
Hey Forrestor, the glitch is the door where he comes from, seems he can get trapped really often or it is a nearly irreversable glitch, restarting even the console doesnt help, somehow, I visited the area today and he emerged, it doesnt require the bandits near him to be killed for him to spawn, it is probably similar to how Hanz and Franz can get stuck in their spawns. The King of Spiders (talk) 08:18, January 6, 2014 (UTC)   Infi-fi-finity!

BTW I am talking about Midge Mong, and how many pop ups you got here huh? :D -T.K Spiders
 * id like you to run a blog and/or forum to see if the community can get a fix for this. this is pretty early in the game for you to be stuck. also id like to see how many others are stuck here. as i recall hanz/franz just needed a reload of save. 10:22, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * It wasnt early in the game though, it was around level 20, seems I am the only one with the problem, it might also b- ooooh, maybe theyre my singularities, which may insta kill him. lets see The King of Spiders (talk) 14:37, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * let us know. and by us i mean me please. 16:30, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seems the singularities killed him and thus, blocked the door, problem solved.The King of Spiders (talk) 16:16, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Side note: I just obtained a Leech from Cap'n Flynt's chest in his cave and Mortar recently dropped a Pandemic for me, while I broke my a$$ farming other bosses, does this happen often? or does this game have implemented via paatch a dark sense of humour?
 * Pandemic is in the known drop pool for Mortar. leech was either a lucky drop or you had a visitor in your game whilst you were busy dispatching the Capn'n.  dark sense of humor included @ no extra charge.  that said, if we can prove an increased legendary probability in that chest captain flynt will become a popular bloke indeed.   10:46, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

font colour
Thank you for your welcome, i thought seeing as moments ago i got the pearlescent weapon drop from the handsome sorcerer i would let it be known he drops this.

I couldnt work out how to make it the pearlescent color on the page though.

Terrific Taff (talk) 15:33, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * pearl = pearl  00:23, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Quick question
Out of curiosity, how exactly does the Borderlands wiki create that transparent effect of the Bandit on the main page. Is it part of the header, or is it merely the background image from the theme? NiteShadeX, The Black Nite 21:32, February 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * that is a background image embedded via one script or another. it was set up by joeplay if you would like a similar effect for your wikia wiki contact him.  he is staff and and part of the wikia gaming team.  18:05, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Possible adminship
Hello, I would be interested in a possible grant of administration rights here on the wiki. I understand that I have no contributions, but my only goal of wielding these rights would be to help monitor the wiki and help create more of the wiki. I can see this wiki is dull, if you don't mind me saying so, and the background, color scheme, logo, etc, is all out of order and doesn't represent the series, which actually contributes to the act of someone visiting the wiki. So what I'm asking of you is at least temporary administrator rights (although, I'm willing to make edit and show reasonable contributions to show that my intentions are in order), and to help redesign the wiki. When you come onto the wiki, nothing really Borderlands "pop" out at you. So I would like to redesign it -- new logo (that of the actual Borderlands logo), a new background expressing things of Borderlands like character, weapons, etc., that will appeal to visitors, a new color scheme to be visually appealing and represent colors of Borderlands, a new main page design to be more expansive to cover everything over the series, and just simple administrator abilities and monitory. The wiki is only getting a few edits a day, and only four active admins (2 of which are inactive in editing), so I'm willing to do what I can to help the wiki become active and whatever else. I'm also very experienced with administration rights and coding, being an admin on many other active wikis and being on Wikia overall for about over 6 years. I would be very appreciative if you could take this offer into consideration, and even more if you accept it. Thank you. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 06:06, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Borderlands_Wiki:RfA_policy sweeping changes, or as i like to think of them, overhauls, must be approved by a majority of the active community. i suggest you start a forum or blog to find generate interest in your project first. with 12k edits wikia wide you might consider showing off some of your work from other wikis. keep in mind that a great many users would very much like to redesign the wiki in the way they want it to be and that this is a community effort vice the vision of any one user. 07:30, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

A. Thanks for insulting this wiki and, by proxy, this community.

B. Monitoring and creating (useful) pages is something anyone can do.

C. There are teams that help with design and a semi-active member here already.

D. Sandboxes are a great way to show how dull things can be.

E. You have looked at the wiki for a very short while (given your assumptions).

I suggest that you start improving the wiki and talking to members, before you start talking to members about improving the wiki. After the content is taken care of, please feel free to suggest a sandbox version of cosmetics to the community. By then you might meet the criteria for adminship.

My wife says that I have taken personal offense because I am involved with this wiki and perhaps she is correct... What I do know is that I would never jump on any wiki, watch for a minute and then proceed to let the crat know how dull it is and if I only had admin rights, I could do so much for the wiki. 6 years? really? You seriously dont know that you can improve a wiki with just edits, suggestions and working with the community? I have never felt the need to become an admin on any wiki for "improving" purposes.

I have encountered a wiki with no activity for 2 years and took over to guide its direction but that is a different scenario. Please feel free to edit the content of this wiki and consult Warblade about page format issues. Also feel free to create blogs on changing things. This includes format issues, background, color scheme, logo, main page format, and general changes. You do not have to be an admin to make these changes happen. 13:01, February 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand, Dr. Clayton Forrestor. Although, my point of the message was to simply to work on a new look on the wiki. And no, Best Robot, I am not insulting your wiki nor the community. I have never insulted the content of the wiki, and not intentionally the look of the wiki. Just with a black background, a black overlay, a white logo with orange and red buttons, it just makes the wiki look dull. Not dull as stupid, though dull as dark, which Borderlands is the opposite of.


 * So in no scenario have I insulted the wiki or community. Also, monitoring, as it is something everyone can do, there aren't always active administrators on here. If there's a constant vandalizer, and no admin would be there to do something about it, then another person would be a good touch. And why couldn't I help with the designing team? I am great with CSS and programming, as I am taking computer programming classes in my college. And I also never said anything about how much I could do for the wiki, as I've said, my only intentions are to do what I would like to do to help the wiki, I never said anything about I've been on the wiki for awhile, but not editing. My purpose to come on here was just to look up information if Borderlands 2 first came out.


 * Anyways, Dr. CF, as the Interim Admin policy on the RfA page, how could we come to an understanding about that? Perhaps we can come to some sort of concurrence to that? After all, my only intentions are to help the wiki, and add a new vibe to the visuals. I would be more than glad to just edit the wiki until I've earned my position in the administration team. Thanks. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 20:24, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

as a new user it is understandable that you do not know of our vandal reporting though it is included in the topnav and the wiki welcome to the right of the activity feed. should your campaign to redesign the wiki prove successful you will be given the rights to perform such redesigns and revisions as indicted in your campaign proposal. dull as this wiki may be i feel i should point out that @ ~400k views/day it is one of the more used/popular wikia wikis. 03:22, February 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * ps - check your settings and/or view the wiki on another browser or sign out. the b/g and the logo are variations of the vault symbol that you do not seem to be viewing properly. you may have global settings which work on your main wiki but are interfering here.


 * No, that is not the problem. I can see the vault logo in the background and the logo is modified, so there isn't no problems. Nonethless, it is a black background and white logo. Also, by dull, it just means that the wiki is dark. Usually, Borderlands is expressed brightly, with bright orange, yellow, and other colors. Though, majority of the wiki is black, so it is dull. So I do NOT mean the wiki is stupid, unorganized, etc., it's just too dark. I believe the buttons and header should be a variation of orange and yellow, the background should feature more stuff to express Borderlands like characters and weapons, and the logo should be the same logo as the Borderlands logo used, with a modified "Wiki" inputted. Though, as it is my opinion, I believe should just be redesigned. From what I can remember, this style of the wiki has been here for quite a while, no? Anyways, I will edit in my time available to work up to this position. Thanks. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 05:07, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your sincerity and your clarification of what you mean.

There are probably a couple of things that you should know:

Even an admin on this wiki needs community support for a change in appearance. The community cannot be circumvented by talking to the crat and being an admin unless it has specifically to do with wikia maintenance. There was also some minor policy change done here for very specific reasons and that was just to clarify things.

Basically any general sweeping changes goes through community approval first. Just so you know how to approach situations properly in the future. As I said, Sandboxes are the best way to show what you mean before presenting it to the community.

All policy, backgrounds, article images (how guns are picked), sliders and some page layouts were run by the current community before they were implemented.

The last time someone wanted to change the background from black met with much resistance but this is a different community now and Daem would certainly agree with you. 06:33, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

P.S. He would also want the Mono skin back, if you can swing it. 06:38, February 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand. When I can, I'll help edit the wiki and in the meantime, I will develop some coding and stuff to use on my testing wiki. When I make a respectable amount of loyalty to the community and the administrators, and when I'm done with the outside work, I will create a blog for the community to opinionate on. And personally, I dislike the monobook skin. Just my preference, I like Wikia's simple and easy way to display the information needed and navigation. NinjaFatGuy (talk) 20:07, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Categorize
Hi Dr. Clayton Forrestor. I'm quite new to the wiki's and editing. etc. I'll just leave this message to let you know that I added category to the pictures I'd just uploaded.

Greetings Zerot Zallander (talk) 14:43, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Has the crat been bugging you? Lemme know and I will smack him... 17:46, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * thank you for categorizing your uploads. it takes some load off the admins.  other than a few minor policy concerns you can do anything here short of violating wikia terms of service.  Njoy!   17:58, February 22, 2014 (UTC) post script - soddoff robot.

Possible adminship
err, wait... no! But I have found a possible mythbuster. 19:50, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * that would be nice. 23:13, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

anchorman
just wanted to ask you something, the anchorman and one or 2 other pirate related enemies were in the cpt scarlet dlc, why doesn't a page exist for them? if you want I will start working on the page and would like help with it if possible

thank you for reading my message 09:02, 24 February 2014
 * anchorman is bundled with sand pirate very much like badass raider. if you think these (assuming the other two are also there) enemies deserve a page onto themselves i suggest you run a blog for community support of your proposal.  Njoy!   18:08, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Fact tag
I have put down common practices that I have seen/used to delete Fact tags. Please take a gander when you can. If I am in error, just indicate with a tag and I will correct those bits. 07:17, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Gettin' back in the game...
Hey I just re-uploaded my custom created items... I thought you operated on the PC system, so I just wanted to give you an heads-up on that, head to User:Mr. Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez/Gear to get them! I... I am the King!Talk 18:38, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * ty. i am, in fact, content w/ my red weapons in blands 1st. do have fun w/ your mods pack though. nice to see still supporting it. 03:25, March 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Quick note, from a technical point of view my items aren't actually "mods," as I used legit software (which was used to create the original game with) to create them with. Also this software having Gearbox's' consent and their encouragement to use it. So please do not refer to them as "modded" as that makes me feel dirty (o_o;) I... I am the King!Talk 23:43, March 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * What software is that? Can it create end user content? Will there be a version for BL2? Just intensely curious. 06:50, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's called the UDK (Unreal Development Kit), it allows the user to create content with/on the latest version of the Unreal Engine (Borderlands' beating heart). A sort of "hyperlink" to the Kit was shipped with Borderlands GOTY edition to allow users to meddle with the game. Although this is a "tied to BL only UDK," so that means I can only do stuff on BL with it and not on other games which also use the UDK, however one could also get the EPIC Games UDK for a monthly fee which is the full version of UDK (not the BL only version which is limited in content). But that takes a different turn as one could create a whole new game with that... I'am planning to get the new UE4 UDK by paying $20,- a month.


 * As for BL2... I have no idea if Gearbox is ever going to allow users to tinker with that... I could use my EPIC Games UDK (I also have the real one, not just the BL one) but that would be described as illegal, and I'm not fond of that thought. I do hope Gearbox would release something that would allow users to do stuff with BL2, but I won't count on it. I... I am the King!Talk 12:18, March 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I have never looked into it (although I own GOTY edition for steam?). Anyway, if you are ever up to it... Players are always drooling over the prospect of more End-User Created Content. Borderlands 2 End-User Created Content would be a welcome addition and treated with just as much respect and reference on this wiki. I will go back to original BL just for that at sometime. 19:27, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Well all they have to do is head-on-over to my Gear page and download those files I made, I can guarantee that it will add a new fresh twist to their BL experience. Also, should I post my packs on the End-User Created Content page as well? I... I am the King!Talk 13:37, March 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * I see nothing wrong with it... maybe just a link to your gear page? It should be explicitly stated that they are "End-user created weapons and gear". What do you think Dr.F? 14:16, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

tl-dr. if it is not generated by the vanilla (+/- dlcs) game it is a mod (@ best, @ worst = hax). if it does not survive on the ground it is a volatile mod. no technicalities, no dirt, no exceptions. 19:29, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

He said "yes" Thats his way of saying yes 07:33, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Layout policy
I have been trying to avoid this but it is hard to wrap my head around:

There needs to be a layout guideline. I don't really care if its official policy or if its a user namespace guide that is linked in either the manual of style or style guide policy.

Basically everytime I go to fix a layout, I need to search for pages with similar layouts and copy that layout. This is frustrating and time consuming, since I usually find pages that do not fit the current bill. The end result is a half-ass attempt at fixing a layout that may or may not need re-fixing but looks better than when I started.

As far as improving the wiki, this is second guessing myself.

What I am prepared to do:

I can make the layout guide (with much research) in my namespace to run by admins approval and eventually link it in either the manual of style or style guide.

It, of course, would be far easier for someone who would not need the research to make the layout guide. I leave it up to you to decide what needs done. Thanks. 20:10, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

P.S. I also need to be able to link the guide to new editors on this wiki. This helps clear up layout problems in the first place and/or opens up dialog for problem pages (example: Talk:Fyrestone). 20:43, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * as i recall User:NOhara24 tried to standardize the page layouts and was driven from the wiki for it (among other things). if you feel a guide is needed, draft one in your namespace and run a blog. 19:43, March 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Some time before the release of Borderlands 2 I ventured the suggestion that entire pages could be templated, rather than just the separate headers, infoboxes, and footers we use at the moment. The idea was shot down before getting to the public proposal stage. We could revisit that idea for page consistency. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:08, March 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Can a template be created for the purpose of public proposal? It's an overall better idea and can incorporate multiple game platforms. As long as the page is decently easy to edit. 07:24, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I could do that. I'm too busy to deal with it over the next week or so though. Ease of editing is straight forward - it's exactly like filling in infobox data - and any unneeded subsections can be made to collapse just like the data fields do in the infobox. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:54, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ty, Ty 17:46, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

I've had a bit of time to start tinkering with this today, and I've started with the big troublesome one - the almighty character template. I've hit a few conclusions along the way: Is there anything that we don't have currently that we might want? --WarBlade (talk) 04:38, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * The current information box metatemplate exploded to huge proportions a while back, so this idea of mine (involving one hardcoded template per subject type) will probably speed load times.
 * I want to deprecate several fields from the character template:
 * Appearances is getting unwieldy in the infobox for both the reason of characters with multiple appearances, and also the Borderlands 2 DLC names are getting uncomfortably long. I could move these to a field in the body text.
 * Status is a crap idea and prone to attracting edit wars.
 * Level is another sketchy field given how variable and relative to character level the enemies are.
 * Location is awkward for mobile characters.

Most of this is above my minion pay-grade (Dr.F is kinda stingy). Can you provide a link to be sure I am looking at the same template your talking about? 06:16, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

columns and rows
hello are there any shortcut keys for inserting rows and colums before/after if there are please have them tagged to the appropriate menu functions so newbies can learn them easily

Mosstak1977 (talk) 23:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)mosstak1977
 * this is a fair request. users that have been around since the first game know to copy and paste the preceding entry and overwrite the new data.  it is not too much to ask that an exaple be left in the commented  section.  as for columns they are built into the template and would require that the template be rewritten (requires approved proposal blog) or table written long hand from scratch (no mean feat).  sometimes those of us whove been here a while get so used to doing things long hand (so it looks right) we forget our responsibility to make the wiki user friendly.  good call.  ty4Nput.   12:35, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Mission 1
User:I am the best robot/mission1 17:36, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Doc!
Hey there, I know I haven't been as active lately.... what all have I missed or need to help improve eh? 03:38, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * the deletes are in arrears. say hi to the new kids. check in on the chat service. or just monitor changes feed. 03:56, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * And there's a character template to be tested (parameters are on Robot's wall). -- WarBlade (talk) 04:25, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

the headhunter dlcs could use some sliders. 04:29, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget that everyone needs a group hug 07:52, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Character pages
Shall we make character pages which are seperate from the NPC pages now or wait till the game actually comes out? 00:23, April 15, 2014 (UTC)robot pacing


 * Documenting content that the devs have mention as being "subject to change" is a slippery slope. Better to wait until we have some solid information to write about. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:28, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

that would make it 2 for wait. 02:04, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

ru/en.borderlands
Is there on Wiki page about Hyperion Soldier (Bl 2)? I've finded page only about Robot Revolution enemies.
 * there is Hyperion Sniper & Hyperion Infiltrator & Hyperion Hawk for borderlands 2. aside from the Engineer (Hyperion) which carries no small arms.  i dont recall a basic, non specialized trooper in borderlands 2.  i could be wrong.  i did not see one on ru.borderlands either.  perhaps, pah ruski, the sniper, infiltrator, and hawk are given only the name (or translation thereof) soldier.  let me know if we are missing something here.  thank you for the question.   23:58, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Home page edit
Hey, thanks for moving my headhunter list down under the 4 campaign DLCs! Since it was moved down headhunter 5's image has too many pixels and now overlaps with the featured article. I was wondering if you could change that since I do not have permission to edit that part of the wiki. Thanks!
 * Best regards,

Dankittytron


 * i can try. how wide is the page/window you are viewing it w/?  what device are you using to view it?  i ask b/c there is no overlap using a browser page/window 1200px wide.  also have you categorized your uploads yet?  i marked one for deletion in hopes that you would notice.  considering these are being displayed @ icon size do they really need to be so large?  on pc this makes little difference but the servers need to downsize even more for mobile platforms.   22:07, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Would you like help with all those pics?
I can help out from time to time, if you need it. 21:03, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the Temp-ops button... let me know if you need anything else specific. 21:51, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Steam question on pic
Answer to your question about the pic:



20:21, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * i asked b/c it looks nothing like that on any of my pcs. 20:24, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I figured it has to do with settings... Maybe we should get some mobile perspective on the front page. 20:26, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * If you're referring to the image stretching problem we've seen about the place lately, it should be fixed now. Wikia rolled out an update that made a bit of a mess, but patched it again once people across Wikia cried out in dismay. The last of the stretchies I've seen evaporated yesterday once the caching had caught up with the patch. That Bloody Harvest pic was one of them. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:38, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I previewed a self revert on the template page and it still looks stretched... I will check up on it in a couple days to make sure its not my catche. 20:52, May 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's because your browser is just reusing cached data. A quick way to check: Force a re-download by changing the pixel width, eg. revert your edit and preview for the stretched version, then go back and change 100px to 101px and preview again. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:11, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Done... Nice trick. 21:16, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Complete theory
The theory is that spoilers should be hidden with the option to expand. Should there be a new template for that? I have messed around a bit with those on the Antichamber wiki, since its a puzzle game and hints should unfold in greater spoil degrees instead of all at once. 11:31, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * sadly i assumed the spoiler template here was a black text template. it is not.  i did not take the time find the other spoilers here and normalize them as this is double xp weekend in Neverwinter.  if someone wants to make  a hide or black text template and populate it into the wiki that would be stellar.   17:53, May 3, 2014 (UTC)