User:Raisins/talk archive

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Borderlands Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Vladof ZX30/V2 Detonating Hammer page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- JoePlay (Talk) 01:09, November 11, 2009

Your Article Formatting
First, I would like to thank you for your contributions to the site. Every high quality image we receive greatly increases the quality of the site. But I question your page formatting: Should we really upload weapons based on the raw title (i.e. your Havoc page)? I am all in favor of first listing individual weapons as individual pages, and as the list grows larger, condense similar weapons onto single pages. This strategy would lend itself better to the wiki's dynamic. Stop by my talk page and tell me what you think. TheParagon 01:44, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Havoc / Weapon Pages
Obviously I'm in favour of lumping here. There are a lot of titles and prefixes, for every weapon subcategory. Even if we just allow all of those we're looking at many thousand permutations and combination. If we include model and material it's clearly hopeless. as i said here Talk:Weapons Title tends to describe the basics of a gun.

Look at this list from the category page:
 * 1) HLK20 Blast Machine Gun
 * 2) HLK20 Incendiary Machine Gun
 * 3) HVY20 Blast Machine Gun
 * 4) HVY20 Incendiary Machine Gun
 * 5) HVY20 Rowdy Machine Gun
 * 6) HVY20 Shattering Machine Gun
 * 7) HVY24 Blast Machine Gun
 * 8) HVY24 Frantic Machine Gun
 * 9) HVY24 Incendiary Machine Gun
 * 10) HVY24 Support Machine Gun
 * 11) HVY29 Suport Machine Gun
 * 12) HVY340 Frantic Machine Gun

Even if we need a Blast Machine Gun page, we certainly don't need a HVY Blast Machine Gun and a HLK Blast Machine Gun. And obviously we're still missing TCH Blast Machine Gun and AR Blast Machine Gun and so on and so on, into infinity. And, just assuming it's a Torgue, we've got Iron (Blast) Machine Gun and Steel (Blast) Machine Gun variants of all of the above. That way madness lies. And look at that guy posting pretty much exactly the same gun only spelled wrong!

There were three XYZ Havoc guns, which i redirected to Havoc. Now they are not on the category page and Havoc is. If I do them all, the Combat Rifles category will be human-readable. Maybe just Title is too extreme, I don't know.

HAHA i just noticed i missed one spelled 'Havok', so there you go.

I see your logic
You make a good point: while there is a massive number of individual weapons (I think it's over 9000), there are quantitatively fewer weapon titles, so classifying on basis of series title is a more efficient method. I will be using your post strategy from this point forward, so thank you. TheParagon 02:16, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Standardized table styles
Hey, Raisins. The Wiki just got standard CSS classes for the tables. Since you seem to be the other big fan of tables, would you mind using them when you create new weapons pages? It basically boils down to adding a few extra classes to the formatting.

Using the Cobra page as an example, you'd end up with something like:

You can check the Wiki code to see how it's done. Thanks! --Lagged 19:15, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * no problem --Raisins 19:17, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

I like this Idea, but can you make it so the number at the end of the table links to the actuall image page instead of having all the images on the page itself, that way the page stays short and if someone really wants to see the image they can just click the link and see it on it's own page. --Saphireking65 20:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * argg too many opinions haha. I considered it improvement enough to get them out of the actual chart! I see your point but sort of disagree and think they should be on at least some page where they can be seen together. I've already been convinced to hijack the talk pages as database scratch space. To do it right I suppose we may need a weapon example list page for each weapon page :( --Raisins 20:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

bravo zulu (job well done) for the row template! Dr. Clayton Forrestor 06:36, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * thanks! It took me a while but I feel good I finally got that sucker working --Raisins 06:39, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * did we drop some code somewhere? None of the revisions are working anymore.  any ideas?  Dr. Clayton Forrestor 11:32, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Broken/fixed -- well, mostly... I broke it temporarily, should've edited in a sandbox. New format using named parameters is listed under the examples at Template:Weapon table row, and created start/end templates at Template:Weapon table start and Template:Weapon table end.  +1 on Dr.CF's BZ, good idea.   12:18, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

RfA for LobStoR
Please see thread at Forum:RfA for LobStoR. Thanks, 12:15, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Stupid combat rifle
I didn't know that, and it means I'm going to go fairly nuts at the friend who gave it to me. I thought it might be mildly glitched, but everything else is news to me. That's actually ruined my day now, going to sell the bloody thing. Longsight 15:15, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

sorry bout that, i've never seen that button, icon or whatever i will look for it and again my apologies Wylde bil 19:51, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Wous's (weapons of unbelievable structure)
re: this i love it. a barrel, a scope, an accessory and a double butt-load of mags. inelegant simplicity. bravo zulu. maybe we could start a forum on WoUS's. just for laughs as i got many from this thread. thank you. <+>Dr. Clayton Forrestor 19:35, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Invitations to game
Hey, nice addtions to the experiment...

Add me via gamespy/steam: doctorgray

Wait are you the guy in steam called "John" ... I might have hit the wrong button when I saw that cause I had no idea who it was. I'll try to add you if i can, what's your log in name and/or e-mail for steam and gamespy --Doctorgray 08:35, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for Table help
Thanks alot for table help now i will hopefully upload my golds via table. Whoops keep forgetting the signing thing Kenny199 16:15, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

AHA WEAPON TABLES!!!! this makes life easy thanks! Kenny199 19:57, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Deleteing tables??? Kenny199 03:54, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Steam
Yeah I definitely hit the block button by accident, either leave your Steam ID on my talk page or if you want you can email it to me via notsograymatter{at}gmail{dot}com--Doctorgray 09:07, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

+2 mod
i think total exp points are a factor not just the level of the player
 * Why? How? And even if so, does that make any difference to a test run by on character at level 50?--Raisins 06:37, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I'll show you... Hellfire!
But seriously, it's kind of silly to exclude the very large potential that it IS a reference to the Bloodhoud Gang version.

=Safari= any chance of a safari userbox? Dr. F

About the modded Draco
can you send me the lines to put in the save editor to make the custom draco lv.43?

my email: babtrigger@gmail.com or babgriever@hotmail.com
 * babtrigger see:Talk:S&S Draco  07:24, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Scavenger Hunt
I've gone through nearly all these pages, and I can't find just the names of all weapons it's just only all the unique and most powerful weapons is all I can find. I'm trying to find a certain shotgun, that I have, but I can't quite remember its name this is all I know about it: Its clip is only 2 rounds big, made by Dahl, and inflicts 60 damage with 9x critical.

All I need is some links to some pages that can help me find my most favorite shotguns. Thanks, RagingMutant 17:42, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

A two-round shotgun from Dhal? That's gotta be rarer than my 2-round Jacobs that deals 300 damage a pellet. But if you're not looking for a legendary, and you insist on 60+ damage x 9, just farm. Those kinds of guns get common the higher you get in level. DestinysHand 22:05, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

what element is best fire or corrosive

Whoever you are, please sign your comments. Anyway, basically, against all but the Crimson Lance and things specifically resistant to corrosive, fire is preferable, but relying on elements isn't always the best plan, because there are things immune to damage over time entirely.. DestinysHand 22:05, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

but corrosive stays with an enemy the longest,makes the enemy weaker to other types of damage and can spread from enemy to enemy also they cause good damage to flesh and equal damage to shields and extreme damage to armor especially the crimson lance (my name is Lois)

One thing you have to remember is that against big crowds, it's been proven repeatedly that the fire proc, which is huge, can hit more than one target easily. Big, spread-out groups of enemies don't need elemental procs to begin with, and by and large, the Hellfire will beat out any corrosive weapon against things that burn. DestinysHand 00:59, March 27, 2010 (UTC)