User talk:Daemmerung

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if you run into a dead end just ask a sysop. anything under your username (user:Daemmerung/whatever) is yours to do with what you will. sandbox edits are encouraged. welcome and enjoy! 17:51, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Much obliged, Dr. F. Daemmerung 18:11, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

parts
i would suggest a parts page with sections for each weapon type. i dont want to encrouch upon xander's or duncan's territory too far here. please footnote any info from their respective products accordingly. or better still make up a sandbox subpage and present it as a fait accompli. 19:47, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Absolutely don't want to encroach or otherwise step on toes-- I'm new here, don't know who from who. I will sandbox something and offer it for review. Daemmerung 19:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

xanderchaos = willotree, duncanfogg = gear calculator. 20:49, February 12, 2011 (UTC) neither post here


 * Gotcha. Duncan's been AFK for quite a while now; I think he's moved on. Xander's name I do recognize. Not planning anything redundan with either of those resources, or the not always accurate tables at blmodding either. More of an introductory survey to help folks differentiate barrels (easy-peasy), stocks (where visible), those annoying actions on repeaters and MPs, etc. Also model numbers. Daemmerung 20:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC) Do I need to sign replies in "my" own usertalk page?

* aldo raine voice* sounds good! - Dr. F
 * no. in your user namespace you are not required to observe any niceties, customs or policies save the prohibition against posting of threats and/or slurs.

boo. They call me Hellz Lips 01:26, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aaaaaah!!

characters
i miss lili von schtupp. i also miss heady lamar (thats headley sir). 22:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * /me presents a laurel, and hearty handshake

irc

 * 1) wikia-bl 09:38, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I want to thank you for your time fleshing things out :) The few things I followed you on looks good. Also thanks for the input on DPS stuff. 20:35, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're very welcome. "Everybody complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it" - regularizing content seems a good way for me to learn the nuts and bolts of how this wiki works. Misteaks will be made, so keep checking me. Also, a real Best Robot wouldn't need to nap! Daemmerung 20:47, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I work 9-12 hours a day w/1.5-2 hours travel-time (each way EDIT: day) x4 and have to go in for a short day of 5-7 hours. Most of the time, I try and take a few hours to relax an inevitably wind up here to see what is going on :) I sometimes don't trust myself to edit some things due to tiredness. So yes, my user name should be Tired Robot. BTW I have endeavored to vote you the user of the month for your work on the wiki if I can ever find the vote page :p (CONGRATS)

P.S. Dude, I never criticize someone who is DOING the work. EVER. 13:17, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

My biggest thanks that as a "burst editor" you have joined the community. We can now smack you on the head now and then (just to say HI, of course) 11:11, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm very "burst," yeah. Got one more day of hacking on this, then have to disappear for a while. Going to try and make that day worth something. Daemmerung 16:42, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats!
I have not had a chance to interact with you much, but would just like to say Congrats on the Use ofthe Month Award. Your contributions are very much welcomed. 12:43, March 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you! This was a very nice surprise to find in my mailbox this morning. pulls out 37-page acceptance speech

=D your wiki-fu IS really weak =D, you are still forgetting to sign your posts hehe. Congrats, it's becoming common sight now that the entire recent edits page is filled with your name-- 03:58, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

summaries
just to be a dink. what i think you men to say is delta pistol (i know pistol change is the opposite but in the scientific vernacular it is "change in ___", therefore . . .) enough waisting your time, i know you are busy. ty for the help, warblade has been on the war-path forever. 09:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * "delta pistol" would be the Delta of pistol, D(pistol). A "pistol delta" is a software usage, delta being a noun to us, and "pistol" describing that noun: any change to a body of source, which is how I view the wikitext, is a delta. Right, back to playing human stream-processor. Was glad to get some of WarBlade today as his schedule and mine otherwise don't coincide. Daemmerung 09:24, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Kyro's Power page needs to be renamed
Most of the other weapon page names follow this format:

(Manufacturer) (Name)

So someone needs to make a new page named "Atlas Kyro's Power", what do you think? 19:27, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

That's the format for Legendaries. It makes sense for Legendaries because that's how they appear in a player's inventory listing. For Uniques, it shouldn't have the manufacturer name in the page name, because they don't appear that way in the listing. (And it makes the Category page look weird.) Daemmerung 19:29, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

PS I just raised this in the Forum a few mins ago. Great minds etc. Daemmerung 19:30, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh 1 and 2, both of them have the manufacturer prefix. However THIS doesn't have it. I don't get what you mean by "that's how they appear in a player's inventory listing". I don't see for example, Orions in my inventory named S&S Orion... 19:44, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Orion is not Unique, it's Legendary (orange). Look at a Nailer or a Patton in your inventory, if you have one. Or a Boom Stick, or Leviathan (two you're more likely to be keeping). They don't appear as (e.g.) "Atlas Patton". Daemmerung 19:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC) And my point re 1 etc is that the Wiki is in error there. The pages should not contain the manufacturer in their title. Daemmerung 19:48, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, wait, I see the point you're making about appearance in inventory. You're right, I'm mistaken. I think that the Category page looks better without the manufacturer prefixed to the name of a unique-- they're supposed to be Unique, after all, rather than a branded special product of the company, never mind that we farm them-- but I don't really have an in-game defense of my opinion beyond that. Daemmerung 20:27, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Dove
Thanks for the info. I know the double acc. will make the Dove consume one ammo, but the section I edited was reworded by a UC and in the context of that section the rewording was incorrect. The message I left to the UC was just an attempt to inform this preson of why the rewording was undone and to incourage them to continue to contribute dispite their edit being undone. 12:39, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

weekly poll
this week's poll ends soon. would you care to choose the next poll topic? you may view the poll archive to see past poll topics, and the poll talk page to see user's ideas for future poll topics. or, of course, pick any topic that amuses you. please respond as soon as possible before 11:59pm cst, (gmt -6) 3/19/2011. thanks.

04:16, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I accept. A "Moxxi Maxxim" (dunno where I heard that, but I think it's officialish nomenclaturage) is any one of the special conditions that Moxxi may impose on particular waves. Like SMG Challenge, or Vampire, or my personal least favorite as a Hunter, Close Combat (and by "least favorite" I of course mean "actually a challenging challenge, for a change"). It's either that, or your choice between "a few seeping boils" and "rock-hard pecs that can stop bullets." I will respond on poll talk page per your specification. Daemmerung 05:01, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * thanks. first i saw it was your post on the poll talk page. you can respond here, there, my talky... (there are a few more side effects (which are really nothing and totally not even worth mentioning).

-fry
 * A really geeky laugh?? Sweet Christmas, the horror!! um, looks like you've pretty exhaustively enumerated the possibilities there, right down to the inevitable anal leakage. Right. Underdome it is. Daemmerung 05:45, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * the sleep crime is inconvenient, but worth it. i could do without the prehensile colon. cap'n.

06:37, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

'kay, mate. we needs to dial in the weekly poll topic for this weekend. what, exactly, are the parameters of the poll? if it's "moxxisms" are we doing waves or rules? (rules will be difficult as there are 19 of them, if we don't enumerate the individual weapon rules. there are 5 waves.)

03:26, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

We're doing rules. I'm not planning on enumerating all 19 individual rules. Am offering what I hope to be a representative selection of the most irritating/ironic/pointless ones, plus an option or two for any misguided Moxxi-haters who want to chime in. You think? Or should I cook up another poll at the eleventh hour? Daemmerung 04:52, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Weapon challenge, for your least proficient weapon (does your Siren use combat rifles?)
 * Rocket Launcher challenge, in Hell-Burbia where most of the surfaces absorb explosions
 * Vampire Boss Wave, in the Angelic Ruins with everybody on the far side of the map
 * Close Combat, for your death-from-a-distance Hunter
 * Naked, for any Siren
 * Spastic Horde Wave
 * Weapons Master Horde Wave (raspberry)
 * None of these are irritating, you fail
 * I'm only there for the Bank, and the potato salad


 * waves aren't rules, cap'n.


 * Look me in the prehensile colon when you're talking to me, young man! Waves (other than the first per round) have rules. Most rules are only annoying or pointless on certain waves. What would you call the tuple of {wave, rule}? Daemmerung 04:58, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

take these, play with them, add or subtract. see what tickles your fancy. 05:04, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

waves & rules


 * how come you get to go to bed already?? "I will comply with what you need. Then, get out of my scan range!" I will give you 5 ginchy waves paired with the particular r00lz that make them annoying tomorrow mornin'. Daemmerung 05:13, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Which scenario (combination of wave and rule) in the Underdome do you find most annoying? Now I get to go to bed. G'night. Daemmerung 07:51, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Badass wave, Rocket Launcher challenge, in Hell-Burbia (where most of the surfaces absorb explosions)
 * One-Eyed Jack Boss wave, Vampire rule, in the Angelic Ruins (with its long killing field)
 * Horde wave, Weapons Master rule (truly fearsome!)
 * Badass wave, Close Combat rule, for a Hunter
 * Gun wave, Naked + Dead Aim rules, for a Siren
 * Waves? Rules? I've never gone downstairs from the Bank

you are by no means limited to 5 options. i just got tired of typing {'s and |'s. i will be aft (away from town) for the next few days. i will, however, be monitoring developments from space station gargantuan-1, i.e. my celly. in the meantime i have requested that my fellow sysbots assist in this week's poll. please feel free to consult with warbot with any questions / concerns.

frybot

Tweaked two scenarios, added a pet peeve that's not a wave/rule pairing: I think that's enough options. Daemmerung 18:16, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Badass wave, Rocket Launcher challenge, in Hell-Burbia (where most of the surfaces absorb explosions)
 * One-Eyed Jack Boss wave, Vampire + Spastic rules, in the Angelic Ruins (with its long killing field)
 * Gun wave, Naked + Dead Aim rules, for a Siren
 * Badass wave, Close Combat + Headshot rules, for a Hunter
 * Horde wave, Weapons Master rule (ha)
 * Any time that the !@%$#!@ end-of-round score card obscures my view of available supply drops
 * Waves? Rules? I've never gone downstairs from the Bank

poll's up
better late than never. also...

thanks, 17:22, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aye aye, cap'n . Daemmerung 17:24, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * PS Appreciate the help-link in the pokebox. Daemmerung 17:26, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * it was iatbr what poked me into creating the poke-page for the poke-box. he deserves the poke.
 * I presume that tweaking stuffs in others' userspaces ist verboten... the sample category there should have weapon in lowercase. Since cats are after all case-sensitive. Daemmerung 17:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * it was a quick hack-up. i invited robot to advise on the help page. all are welcome to do the same. take a bash at it, cap'n.

Parts
Do we really need huge pictures for the gun parts? I believe a regular sized pict would suffice, it's making your table waayy to big 23:46, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Anybody viewing my wonderful table at anything less than glorious 2560x1600 deserves to suffer! No, seriously, feel free to scale it down to something more reasonable.  You'll see that I've scaled some parts pics in some tables already.  As I got rolling, I stopped scaling in the interest of getting the page done while I could. Daemmerung 04:49, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Rage, rage
Just lost the entire sniper rifle model number calculator to a keyboard finger slip. That's it. Never again do I use that retarded edit box for anything more involved than a minor edit.

Also need to figure out how to castrate the "Print" command off of IE, but that's a different problem. Daemmerung 16:52, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

And there she goes again. Bye-bye Striking rewrite, this time to a Wikia database fart. I never die learn. Dämmerung 21:04, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Trolololololol
Check his talk page.   18:54, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Very amusing, particularly in light of IAtbR's attempt at being reconciliatory. "Some men you just can't reach." Daemmerung 19:28, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

HOW IS BESSY FARMED?!
Was that just a temporary moment of insanity or...? 16:38, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Think of it as therapy through writing. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Daemmerung 17:07, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

AIB
you have been drafted into the Article Improvement Brigade. welcome aboard. 09:36, May 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sir! Yes, sir!!  I haven't had a lot of wiki time recently, but I shall return and finish what I started.  AIB looks like my cup of tea, too.  Daemmerung 07:54, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

This might be interesting
I have been a bit busy on things that might interest you. 10:52, June 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * More power to you! Unfortunately I'm on the verge of declaring personl wiki bankruptcy.  No Borderlands time, on-wiki or otherwise, at all.  Not necessarily a bad thing for my life overall, but I do regret not being able to contribute here.  This wiki is a good thing.   Dämmerung 20:23, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
For those links concerning the firehawk. 17:26, September 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cheers, man. Dämmerung 21:08, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for keeping me in the loop. I'm still looking at the recent page feed everyday, even if my activity has died down. I was busy this week end and completely missed the fire-hawk discussion. I'll be there next time though :D happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 10:34, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Apologies
I was trying to add the statistics of my Cobra (Sniper Rifle) into the table and I think I may have messed up the page. If you could add it into the table I would appreciate it thanks.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/picture12pd.png/


 * Got it. No worries.  You'll need to incorporate your image yourself, though.   Dämmerung 17:26, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Jakobs outrage: Sang-Froid
I am not sure I know what you mean. 20:07, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I mean that I admire your patience in a certain less than clever forum thread. That's all. Dämmerung 21:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I am just offering a different perspective on this issue. The other person my be correct but i do not see a problem myself. If you are thinking this thread to be a troll, then the joke my be on me as i was thinking this to be a genuine thread. 21:57, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

new chars
(continued from Talk:The Clipper ) i already have one of each of the characters, each restricted their own unique set of weapons, accuracies, shields, grenade mods, etc... see here if interested. i don't really have anywhere else to go with a new character. where do you go with a new character after all this time, mate?

22:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I should update my userpage char list someday.... I have 21 or 22 (really) different characters, most far from maxed. Some of them haven't even finished PT2; maybe half of them have made it through Armory Assault in DLC3. I like to take a character, given it some restrictions, and play it out with a particular character development strategy to see how that strategy works.

The following three chars are currently in play:


 * a Siren playing pure Mercenary, SMGs and MGs and repeaters only. Because I'd never played it, and I had heard that this was an overpowered walk. It seems that I heard correctly. There is a certain charm in watching everything disintegrate in front of you.
 * a Berserker playing pure Bombardier. Unusually for one of my chars, I gave this character no true limits on his available weapons; however, he has to balance all his non-Launcher (and non-Eridian) weapon proficiencies, so once he has a weapon prof 2 points above another weapon's, he can no longer use that weapon.
 * a Soldier playing pure Shock Trooper: Eridian specialist, plus light pistol and sniper rifle profs. Bootstrapped him off of a couple of L19 Lightnings, and have since fed him with weapons found by a few other chars. Because I'd only played Eridians as an endgame L69 everything-else-is-already-maxed mode. Much more interesting to watch the character develop while using Eridians.

Essentially, I just really enjoy trying the many possible permutations of the basic game.

If you haven't already tried it, I recommend the so-called "reverse weapons" challenges. Take a Siren or a Hunter, and have him or her use nothing but shotguns and rocket launchers. Take a Berserker, and give him nothing but pistols and sniper rifles. That sort of thing. It's all much more interesting when you do this from Fresh Off the Bus all the way through. (If you don't get the right weapon in the very first red chest or one of the dumpsters, it's acceptable to use your starting weapon, but you cannot let its proficiency exceed 0.) Dämmerung 23:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

question
for one of our local mechanix. i'm starting to get the hang of the different parts (whether i like it or not...) but i have a specific question about scopes: how does a gun, usually a pistol, sometimes a sniper rifle, grant a weapon zoom without a scope attached? see Krom's Sidearm in general and / or specifically. both guns list a weapon zoom sans scope. w? t? f?

23:36, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

The sight part on a weapon primarily specifies the change in the player's field-of-view when the player gives the Zoom command. It may also specify a visible piece of the weapon's silhouette, and an accompanying graphical rendering of looking through a particular scope or down a particular set of iron sights, but that is separate from the change in field-of-view. I can immediately recall two repeater sight parts, at least one shotgun sight part, and at least one combat rifle sight that offer a change in field-of-view, but do not include a scope on the weapon or a through-the-scope zoomed view. Note also that most weapons can have a, which denotes the complete absence of a sight on the weapon or field-of-view change when zoomed.

Krom's Sidearm always has, which is the high-quality iron sight set. Chiquito Amigo I believe can spawn with any sight, including no sight at all. I list all the available repeater sights here (looks like I've specified FOV in terms of the gun card "x" notation instead of the percentile that the mechanics use. don't recall why). My NY resolution-- well, one of them-- is to publish these tables for all the other weapon classes before winter ends. Lost my momentum after an editing snafu last year. Dämmerung 00:11, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Also, that's a hell of a Chiquito. I have a huge bias against barrel0, and thus had no idea that the CQ unique barrel was so special. I rarely make it so far into Knoxx as to complete Purple Juice. Dämmerung 00:15, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * um... yeah. i'm sure you answered my question in there somewhere. would you kindly point out the part where a gun with no sight has a zoom? *lol

00:20, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Fuck, sorry. Let me try again: Thog take rock. Thog hit Thag with rock. Thog take Thag's wo-man.

The only gun with absolutely no sight at all that yet has zoom (that I can recall) is Whitting's Elephant Gun. Any other weapon without a sight -- that is, with sight_none as a part -- will not offer any change in FOV when zoomed. What I was trying to say in the middle of my inpenetrable gibberish is that a scope per se is not necessary to have increased FOV when zoomed. You just need a sight part. That sight part may or may not have a scope and a through-the-scope view, or it may have iron sights like Krom's Sidearm or your CQ. Iron sights, however, are nevertheless a sight! and so they offer zoom, even if it sometimes isn't much zoom. Was that any better? Dämmerung 00:34, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * got it. even iron sights, ones that don't look like a "sight" per se, can grant zoom. if i was to take my CQ apart in gearcalc, WT, etc, i'd see "sight_X" vice "sight_none."


 * fry take rock. fry hit self with rock. fry see now. thanks, cap'n, for clearing that up for me.

draco fire war!
really? every draco i've found, (a whole 8 or so!) came wrapped as a glorious massa-cree. a "masquarading massacre." now that's funny! :D

09:29, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * merp. i'll assume my customary position of foot-in-mouth. maybe if I actually looked at the wiki conveniently attached to this talk page... I have a knee-jerk reflex that tends to toss anything not "named" or below purple rarity at the nearest vending machine. poor little support machine gun dracos never stood a chance.

09:50, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

The accuracy buff on a Draco makes even the lousy green-rarity ones quite capable of killing things. After the good Dr reverted my initial reversion We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked., I pulled out of the carbonite an old baby Berserker with a terrible barrel 2 HLK24 underleveled specimen of Draco, for testing's sake. It proved quite capable of burning Thor to the ground. Happy New Year! Dämmerung 15:45, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

parole date
you've been spending an awful lot of time in lockdown palace. when are you getting out? i'll put in a good word with the warden for your outstanding behavior. i just hope you don't come out as "Dämmerung-mina." best wishes. 23:18, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

God, you should see my Steam log for the last few days-- it is sad. Been farming for a non-lame Truxican Wrestler mod, and taking the opportunity to wiki-tweak while I do so. No, of course I am not under deadline anywhere else. Dämmerung 23:21, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Steam icon.png = 🇵🇳. have you tried any 3PDLC? two of the secret stashes at TCN are dedicated to coms; and the loot-in-the-box chest spits out several as well. +48% Max Health is always nice, but keep in mind that the other "high quality" truxy comes negative 39% bullet resistance. very handy... if you own shares in the Hyperion corporation, makers of the New-U Station... 23:41, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

going over some of our previous convo's. TCN's loot chest spits out CQs, too, cap'n.


 * Hm. I've used the bullet-resistance flavor of Berserker, which uses the negative-percentage notation to indicate its level of resistance.  I do note that Grit uses a positive notation.  Are the bullet-resistance classmods really borked?  That would be wiki-noteworthy.  Maybe I'll take a retired TW of mine out of mothballs and test that tonight.  (That char has a 5-line 260 TW, but it's level 55.  I'm farming for something lower-level.)  Certainly plenty of other classmods have plus-instead-of-minus bugs, so it wouldn't surprise me too much.
 * I'm kind of shy about 3PDLC. Too many old nerds' tales of folks installing Oasis and then having a subsequent Gbx/Steam patch bork their Borderlands.  Though borking my Borderlands might be a favor right now.  Bork bork bork.   Dämmerung 00:17, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I tested it. TW bullet resistance works as advertised.  Wearing my -27% Bullet Resistance mod, my retired TW stepped into a Bandit's path and let a single shot connect for 183 damage.  He then swapped out the mod for Assassin and took another shot for 233 damage.  233 divided by 1.27 is 183.46.  All is in order.   Dämmerung 01:14, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * thank you, gearbox daem, for clearing that up. forgot who we were dealing with. negative is positive. up is down. looks like i can dust off the ol' truxy again. true bullet resistance be nice for my rose-wearing bullet sponge of a hunter. and i do love the sound that the critical melee strike makes. 02:22, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

( Dr. F's note - "And a horse has no udders and a cow can't whinny and up is down and sideways is straight ahead." – Cord The Seeker) (Damn. I keep forgetting I'm the only one who has seen that movie.)
 * SHRRRIKKKK If Gbx hadn't goobered up so many other class mods this way, Tank/Peace Keeper/Hunter from top of mind, I wouldn't have tested it.  Somewhere in Texas there's an animal-testing lab doing very well by renting rhesus-grade QA talent to the gaming industry....  That same retired TW of mine is carrying my Rose, though it looks like I had elected for an Alacritous Skirmisher instead-- my Rose being both markedly weaker and a bit slower.  Anyway, nice to remember that if my Mini Shank ever makes it to level 55, he has an okay decent classmod waiting for him from another character.  I lose track of all the crap my characters have amassed.  Need to write an inventory manager.   Dämmerung 03:22, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * after my totally scientific and in no ways completely haphazard and flawed i have determined that negative bullet resist does indeed increase bullet resistance. i slapped on a truxy and headed out to the nest. with -39% bullet resist i managed to save a fortune in new-u charges (which is a good thing as my cheevs tell me that i've earned negative ~1 trillion dollars). NOTICE: the following content is a blatant attempt to convince daemmerung to install 3pdlc: i think the crimson lance d-wads figured out what i was up to and broke out the big guns: one had a raven, one had a wildcat and one royal guard kept one-shotting me in the face with a freaking aries. also, with the truxy, i was able to withstand more than one headshot from kryos or a few round-the-corner trick shots from his asshat friend, typhon. the nest coughed up the aries, a bessie, a few more CQ's, athena's, and choppers, the best ajax' ogre i've seen to date, and a half dozen truxy's, which i tossed since i already have a 650 and a 660. (my favorite part of the nest is, if i time it right, spawning ajax and motorhead at the same time; watching motorhead's badass midget ravagers toss sticks of dynamite at ajax' badass rockettes is the highlight of my day.) i can't answer to modifying a steam copy, but i can say that sir mix-a-lot would get half a chub if he saw how backed-up my retail copy's .sav files are. 23:06, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * The bosses fight each other!?!? Oh, man.  That I have to see.  Maybe next month.  My February and March are going to be weird.  Could be a lot of game time then.   Dämmerung 23:12, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * yep, motorhead (and crüe) vs. ajax (and friends). good times had by all. unfortunately, because of spawn restrictions, i can't get motorhead to fight the dozen or so badass lance assassins. wish i could. they tend to be a bit... aggressive. oftentimes, mccloud shoots his own scorpio turret with his eridian cannon. always good for some lols; not sure if he does that in the vanilla game, but lol-worthy nonetheless. -fry


 * Yes! Parole finally granted! My Truxikins finally coughed up a 660.  It's the very weakest 660 possible, of-fucking-course, but it'll do the job, so I'm out of here.  Mini-Shank's shanking fingers are itchy....   Dämmerung 04:56, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Bikes in BL 2
I think a two seater, Quad bike or something like this, would fit nicely into BL 2. I like the "Road Rash" idea too. I coulod not see myself not ever having a bike from now on. 04:04, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

I want that one for the vault hunters. For hostiles, an old-style bike with a sidecar for grappling hook attacks (angry midget in the sidecar), and a 250cc dirt bike for lone psychos who swing at you with their buzz-axes. Road Rash is a survivability skill like Die Hard that lets the character survive vehicle explosions, retaining 10% of their health per rank in the skill. Figure only one person in the party absolutely needs this one, as he or she can run around reviving everybody else while they use their Crippled immunity to put down covering fire. Dämmerung 04:45, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I figured R.R. was going to be something like that. Veggienatersml.png 05:16, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Do not want. Every time I've seen motorcycles in a game, it's just been hokey and lame. ATV, however, I could see. 12:32, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like the way they were added to G T A. The fact that it was an almost instant death if you crashed was part of the challenge. However for Blands, three or four wheelers do seem more suited to its style. Veggienatersml.png 14:34, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

GTA is essentially a city simulator in which you control a delinquent douchebag, of course motorcycles fit there. People ride motorcycles in everyday life. And especially with how I drive in GTA, I would very much expect to be dead if I crashed on a bike, especially because Niko never wears a helmet. In BL2, I'd much rather see an ATV, something that could handle itself on Pandora's terrain. 15:44, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Racer's oversensitive superball handling is already more like a motorcycle than any dune buggy. And I now can't get the image of s Burning Psycho on a DP dirt-bike out of my head, doing jumps like a Cheta Paw. Dämmerung 16:20, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Impact
Hi. I'm not sure gearcalc's "pre-add" (or "post-add") is the same thing, because they are algorithmic modifiers. For example, Atlas has a "Fire Rate: +20 (Pre Add) " this translate to "Shot time: -0.05s". This is an additive modifier: Shotguns will see vitually no effect from this, yet SuportMachineGuns will see their fire rate go through the roof!

Impact, on the other hand, is not "+3 damage, then apply multiplier", like gearcalc's pre-add. It really a geometric modifier, but applied to bullet damage. ie, when calculating with other modifiers, you have to do 2 multiplications back-to-back, rather than adding the multipliers, and then doing the multiplication.

As far as the methodology goes, I had been wondering for months how proficiencies impacted the stats of my mods. Should I multiply, add? I set off doing some research, choosing a configuration, firing a bullet at a baby spiderant, and writing down the damage. No matter how I did it, the numbers weren't lining up! Given the nature of my research, it was pretty easy to figure out what was going on, hence the formula.

I lost the research since then, but I have posted similar research here regarding metal storm.

That and the fact that I'm a math major and naturally gifted int these kinds of things helps.

I hope that helps? What are you researching? I recently started playing borderlands again, and I'd love to help out on this wiki again. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 13:30, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

2 mults back-to-back was what I meant by "Pre Add" - a modifier that takes place before the main body of modifiers are summed, then incorporated. "Pre Mult" would be a better term, but I can't recall if GC has a "Pre Mult" anywhere (and am too lazy to grep its datafiles).

Having eyes like yours that see numeric patterns would be an enormous asset.

I'm finishing the weapon parts tables that I started last March, and was working out for Melee Critical hit Venom etc. just how melee damage works. Qv esp Talk:Melee. Most interesting to me is that melee weapon accessories are "Post Mult" on top of everything else. Makes jagged shotguns quite effective.

Incredibly, I'm still playing Borderlands, though a bit less furiously than before. Kind of a measure of the level of my obsession that I was playing melee characters.

Still have to do the SMG and CR data pages, but the real world is getting unruly again. Dämmerung 16:43, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. I wouldn't mind doing some testing. The thing about "pre-mult" (IMO) is that it is a term that doesn't make sense, since A*B == B*A. I'd call it a "parallel-mult" :D. Do you know of any "additive" effects on melee damage?

Anywhoo, I'll try to do some basic testing, see what I can find. I started a new brick, so it should be fun! happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 17:07, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

"Phase one Mult," then. Did you know that mediawiki groks LaTeX? Check out the new DPS page. Another place you can review. Dämmerung 17:16, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

speaking of shock contagion
how are you stocked for eridian weps? i have a sneaking suspicion that eridian shock weapons are A) contagious, or B) deal a small AoE effect. i tagged a baddie with a shot from a lightning and the two baddies standing adjacent (one to each side) went all shocky, too. problem is that eridian shock is very short-lived but i presume the former. i do love running lil's as an eridian warrior; i'll investigate further but i predict that you'll have some thoughts on the matter. 22:12, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that the electric Eridians do have a small AOE. I've observed a single shot from an Eridian Rifle taking down an entire flock of Corpse Eaters at Jakobs Cove. That was my Eridian Shock Trooper, as my Eridian Tempest is still parked at L36. (Got an eighteen hour drive today, the entire length of the Pacific coast, god help me, so of course I'm here on the wiki postponing the inevitable....) Further research is indicated. Dämmerung 22:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * bon venture. remember, no good comes of road wiki-surfing. be safe, cap'n. 22:47, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

time out
there was a spat a while back that led to iatbr quitting. without preamble he returned to accuse his former nemesis of an argument. his nemesis was, in fact, wrong but did not argue with anyone. iatbr had the opportunity to become a sysop, that being a bone of contention btwn the two, but chose to quit instead. this form of limited quit is one i find unacceptable. users must stand their ground or be run over/out/under. that is a fact of wikia i cannot change. petty edit wars i can put off for sunny days however,. 02:32, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oy, drama. Sorry if I provoked anything. Dämmerung 04:48, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

TW damage reductio
"I tested it. TW bullet resistance works as advertised. Wearing my -27% Bullet Resistance mod, my retired TW stepped into a Bandit's path and let a single shot connect for 183 damage. He then swapped out the mod for Assassin and took another shot for 233 damage. 233 divided by 1.27 is 183.46. All is in order."

- Dämmerung 01:14, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

IMO, that means it works exactly the opposite of as advertized, and uses the borderlands formula of inversed reduction:

For example, a mod advertized as -100% Bullet Damage would result in taking 0 damage, yet according to your calculation, 1 divided by 2 is 50%. NOT as advertized. In your example, 183 = 233 * 79%: This means that your "-27% Damage Reduction" is actually only protecting you for 21%.

...

O, wait, or did you mean "works as advertized" in the sense that "-X% Bullet Damage Resistance" is actually a good thing (eg: does not actually make you weaker)? happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 08:14, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

That is correct. Fry was wondering about the signum on the classmod's advertised bonus. (Since certain buggy classmods do actually weaken your character. Tank, Peace Keeper, Hunter among them.) It's the usual damage reduction mechanism. Dämmerung 15:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hum, in that case, do you think you could touch up on it in the MOD page? Tank and Peacekeeper make no mention of anything wrong, I'd be interested in knowing what is wrong with them in more detail. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 15:45, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am hindered by not actually having Tank and Peace Keeper mods for testing myself, i.e. primary evidence. I don't like posting things that I can't test personally.  Also Class Mods is ridiculously unwieldy already, and I'm hesitant to bite off a big new project (that is, MIRVing the page) when I still haven't finished my last one (just SMG and CR to go, though...).  Breakage involves their shield recharge buff, which is sign-reversed much like the cooldown bonus on certain Hunter fifth lines.   Dämmerung 15:58, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, what the hell. Tagged the misbehaving fourth lines in Class Mods. If you compare with Tactician you can guess the source of the bug. Dämmerung 17:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

The few...the proud, the Fryguys.
Fry joined the Marines?! 15:47, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

The Space Marines, natch. Dämmerung 15:49, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you were serious. 16:46, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Goddammit!! /Cartman BanX0red again. Dämmerung 16:51, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

We may be quiet..


But we are still getting plenty of clicks. I was surprised when i received this in an email yesterdee. Normally we get that per week. D: 19:14, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Holy SEO, Batman! Do you get any further breakdown by originating IP or initial target URL? I'm imagining one hyperactive gold farmer in Guangdong falling asleep on her F5 key. Dämmerung 19:25, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * quantast appears to be having a crisis of conscience. hopefully the issue will resolve itself soon. 21:38, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

hey, i saw that you gave me a suggestion on the x2 corrosive combat rifle, i actually found what i was looking for, ill have to edit the wishlist, thanks, yeah, i found a fully auto combat rifle, x2 corr., 54 round clip, the damage isnt awsome, but it has a 11.6 fire rate, so it makes up for it, i mean, it's worth 1.7 mil.

InnuendoOctopus 09:08, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, most corrosives suffer a net damage malus, the pearlescent Serpens being the exception in machine-gun land. Still great for taking down Knoxx and other giant armored types.  Sounds like you've found a nice one, too.   Dämmerung 18:13, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Level preferences
I find there are several groups of levels that are my favorite. They all center around crutial point placement. Usually the levels right before and directly after milestones. level 20ish is great to build as well as level 45ish. The prep to the next step and the fruits of the labor is the most enjoyable to me. The best thing about babies is that you are getting fuits from the get go and are preping for the next tier at the same time. Great stuff. 11:21, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Handsome Jack
I forgot that all BL2- related pages are still speculation. My bad. Auntarie 17:56, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

No prob. Believe me, I feel your pain at the waves of speculative inanity currently lapping at our shores. Going to plaster SPECULATION! caveats everywhere if I can make the Notice template behave. Dämmerung 18:07, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

sorry
It is just frustrating to come back and see a lot of bitching but no one willing to step up to the plate. If the community felt like this why am I the only one who is posting forums? And... everyone hates the idea! LOL again, sorry, its just frustrating. 20:13, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Patience, Jedi! Rome wasn't burned to the ground in a day. No, wait, that was a crap threat, can I try again? Slow down, give some other folks a chance to chime in and talk these things through. We've had this problem since last August, and we'll probably have it until next August or so when we finally see BL2... we can take a little while to figure it out. Believe me, I understand the frustration. Dämmerung 20:21, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I also need proper sleep as well. I have been running a fever for a couple of days. Its a very simple concept to me and I will do what ever it takes until the community decides what to do with it. 21:48, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Brains don't work well when they're boiling. (At least, my brain doesn't: for all I know you are some sort of volcanic extremophile cryptid that has inexplicably evolved to play Sirens. Would explain the points in Phoenix, at least.)  If after catching up on your sleep you're still haunted by this (and it's certainly okay if you're not: sometimes when I catch up on a sleep debt, I look back and say "what the hell was I up to?"), build a concrete prototype in your userspace demonstrating your vision for speculative pages. Such a prototype will make a more compelling argument than mere words on a forum. You'll probably find your own vision changing as you hammer out the various specific details. Dämmerung 22:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Overpowered
It might be opinionated but it is a good opinion, IMO :D

Hellfire is definitely overpowered (I am going to consciously NOT use the first one I find at some juncture).

Its prolly better for the wiki that I am not flinging my opinions everywhere though. 18:30, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't play SMG Sirens for just that reason. See also wikipedia:Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial.   Dämmerung 22:07, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

NPOV is the exact description of my best friend. As a result, he cannot make a decision on any grey area. Although, he makes me think (lots). He will point out every side and facet to an argument (good stuff). I like to think that I grow because he is in my life but, in reality, I prolly just try to influence him. Although, I always consider what he says. 09:42, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Recruit him! He'd be perfect on a wiki.   Dämmerung 15:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Monobook
Wanted to thank you for getting me involved. The project is fun, and I do like the monobook skin. :D happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 15:33, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for tackling this chore. The default skin makes my teeth itch.  It's as if the original wikia.css designer wanted to reproduce the FOV problems of Borderlands on the Wiki.   Dämmerung 18:02, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

The King has spoken
hey why dont you and forester quit replacing all the work i did on this site and just leave it alone okay. you guys are getting on my nerve deleting all the work i do.
 * ( Dr. F's note - lighten up francis.)

If you write in proper English (either Commonwealth or American counts here as "proper") and limit yourself to making accurate statements about the game, your work is less likely to be undone or rewritten. Just like your composition classes in school, you are being graded both on what you write and how you write. Dämmerung 18:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

manual roll
it gives people something to do. as for nick wagner's project, ill defer to happy, as i know less than little of international templates. though please do contact him (Wagnike2) as he is a. a german speaker b. an anklisch speaker und  c. staff. oddly staff likes to answer questions from active editors (who knew?)  19:55, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * What? You're not the Virgin Mary, interlocutor between God and Man??  This changes everything.  Everything.   Dämmerung 20:22, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki Links
If they re-name the article, if they leave a re-direct to it, the interwiki link won't be messed up. - Wagnike2 01:26, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

the badge
so. i found a 1990 the badger comic book today. on the cover he was in a bass boat accompanied by a lady that looked like rosie o'donnell. the badger had a fishing pole and was fighting a school bus-sized muskie. the fat chick was freaking out and trying to jump out the boat. not too sure who the bad guy was in this scenario... was the badger fighting off a giant evil panfish...? was the fish trying to get away from rosie...? was the fish trying to get away from the badger because he (the badge) had tired of the duck and harboured unclean designs for the fish...? the issue is probably worth thousands of canadian dollars (~$4 usd). give the word and it'll be on ebay for your convenient ease of purchase. 01:26, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like #62 or #63, late in the First Comics run. I remember the cover better than the story (moon-faced slightly Native-looking woman, giant muskie/catfish/whatver leaping, bass boat, all only remotely connected to the story IIRC). My collection is a couple of thousand miles away right now, so I can't check it. I wouldn't recommend it for your own collection, as Badger had slid pretty far downhill by 1990, with art and story both kind of hurting. If you ever find the final First Comics issue #70, however, it is the Greatest Christmas Story Ever Told, sez me. Dämmerung 14:35, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

sound advice
"Heh. Though it might be better not to respond at all. You know, not feedin' the you-know-whats and all that."

your application to the FP has been recieved and accepted. congratulations. you are now the unofficial sim to the chief of the forum police. 19:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well said Daem! I second that emotion. He could have fooled me. Veggienatersml.png 20:40, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Goddammit!! /Cartman Couldn't help myself. Got an injury that's keeping me from running and making me even crankier than usual. Plus my office is still in disarray, so no soothing balm of skag-fragging (Doktor Daemmerung's Universal 18-in-1 Remedy) possible. Dämmerung 21:26, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

future hacks
speaking of "backpack" hacks, i, and i hesitate to say this out loud... i wonder if BL2 will allow for a new incarnation of WT and / or GC. as much as i hate to admit it, given GBX's reticence to acknowledge the existence of any other form of communication than that other one, we were able to glean a massive amount of raw and refined information as to the workings of the game with those "hacks." 23:32, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

It'd probably be harder for Gbx deliberately to disallow such. Though they certainly didn't make anybody's work any easier. Note to self: look at WT someday, see how it works   Dämmerung 23:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Latin
Did you actually understand Latin or was that google translated? If you actually do I am very impressed-- 01:09, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I had three years of Latin in high school (30 years ago!). Enough has stayed with me to do the job, boosted a bit by my tutoring my wife a bit about a decade. Understand that what that dimwit was writing wasn't Latin: it was English, with each word translated one a time into a Latin equivalent, but retaining English syntax and word order. Had he been writing real Latin of any complexity-- anything beyond easy Caesar and various hymns from the old Roman rite-- I would have had trouble. Dämmerung 02:29, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Still I am impressed that you remember things for so long, I never had much of a knack for languages, they teach French here in grade school, and I failed my classes more than once. Now I'm so glad that languages courses are behind me....-- 18:59, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Draco
Even though the Draco is technically supposed to be orange, wouldn't itmake more sense to categorize it as Purple, Blue, and green due to the naming glitch? After all, the only people who'd ever see a Draco as an actual Draco would be seen only by the few PC palyers who've installed the fan-made patch, otherwise, our Dracos aren't really ever orange o:


 * Proper categorization is per rarity, not per color. (Color categorization is a historical artifact of the wiki, anyway: one cannot categorize accurately by color.) The Draco is a legendary weapon with broken titling and color. Dämmerung 14:56, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see your point. Just a thought I had, but I agree with you. Iplas 17:28, May 5, 2012 (UTC) (aka .213)

howto
Hey do you remember how 2 edit signiture and do the cool box wth the logos? Thank you!!! =D WOOB!!!

1. Please sign your notes by typing four tilde characters, like so: ~. Otherwise I or anybody else will have no idea who you are without digging through the logs.

2. Signature should be a field in your "my preferences" settings. Mine isn't fancy, as you can see. If you want fancy, you need to look/ask elsewhere. Try copying Prissybitch-- I seem to remember her having a fancy one.

3. Look at an example of the "cool box" (not entirely sure what you mean here), view its source (you can use "edit" to view the source but do not save any changes, even inadvertently), and copy away. Dämmerung 23:45, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Also, check out User:Lynne1984. She's a greeter, which means that she specializes in getting new folks on their feet. I'm a mechanic, which means that I'm a cranky old man who's best left alone to his tables of statistics (witness above not-exactly-super-helpful response). Good luck figuring it out. Dämmerung 23:57, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon Parts
Yo, thanks for all the work you put into the weapons parts page, this is the best and most accessable guide I've seen yet. Any chance you might add material bonuses by manufacturer/grade to the material grade page? That's information i always have difficulty finding and referring to. Iplas 02:19, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Material Grade really doesn't say much of anything, does it? I quite overlooked that. You're right, it needs to be added. I'll add that to the queue. Dämmerung 02:26, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks again! Iplas 02:30, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm
Well I don't know what yous guys' standards are like for article size and whatnot and I've not got a feel yet for your wiki in particular. Are you suggesting that each mod needs its own page or each class? I only really am familiar with soldier 00:47, May 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Each classmod, just as you've broken it out with redirections. Each page would be roughly the weight of a skill page (some of which are rather small).  I'm resigned to Class Mod and its associated talk page being how they are, which is to say extremely unwieldy; perhaps we can do better for BL2.   Dämmerung 05:13, May 30, 2012 (UTC)