User talk:WarBlade

Adding Images to Skill Tree Page
Hi Warblade, I just uploaded all the remaining icons for Nisha's skills, but I can't seem to figure out how to add them to her skill tree page (Nisha/Skill tree). Could you tell me how? Is there some sort of special procedure to do this? Thanks a lot.

Ablake (talk) 00:15, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well what I usually do is to click Edit then go to Source Editor. I can't say I understand what this "field collapsing" is exactly, since I also notice there's no line breaks between fields in several other pages. But fine. I'm done.

Ablake (talk) 03:22, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Redundancies
Hello!

So I've been editing this wiki recently and I noticed some things that I would like to fix myself but it seems better to discuss it first, only I don't know where to discuss it so I ask you.

Is it ok if I change the word "common" for "typical" or "regular" in all the manufacturers' infoboxes (borderlands 2) since common refers to white rarity only?

Also and most importantly, the infobox weapon2 has a redundancy. The fields "rarity" and "color" are the same thing, and it adds automatically the category creating an unnecesary duplicate category for some items (Category:Green with Category:Uncommon and Category:Orange with category:Legendary). I was thinking about just ignoring it and fixing the articles where this happens and the template's doc, but seems like fixing the template itself is a better option

By the way, isn't seraph supposed to go after legendary? As the game itself states it, when you buy from Crazy Earl, the pink follows the orange, ultimately cyan of course. I can also edit this while I'm in the infoboxes

--☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 20:17, 24 September 2015 (UTC) 21:57, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Also, my signature does that


 * Can you refrain from playing with your signature on my user talk page please? -.-


 * With regards to the "Common" issue you'll have to start a blog and hammer out what to do with the masses here. As for the infobox, I'm inclined to agree. I've been puzzled by those entries in the past. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:16, September 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok... But playing? No, every time I press the sign button or add the tildes it automatically does that. Shouldn't it by default just put your name and talk page in plain text when you don't have a signature subpage? If yes, looks to me like a bug with this wiki.


 * Actually, you know what? I just discovered that items that are unique but not orange nor higher fall into two distinct categories ("blue"/"purple"/"e-tech" with "unique"). So that second field is useful just for these items. I'm just gonna go ahead and simply improve the template's documentation as well as remove double categories from the non-just-unique articles.

Gaming footers
Hi, WarBlade!

I was wondering if you had an opinion on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love for the Borderlands community to be included!

Best regards,

Raylan13 ( talk ) 20:17, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. Hook us up. I see you have this wiki listed down under Shooter. I think it fits RPG slightly more appropriately, but shooter is about the next best thing if there are space constraints.


 * Y'know, now that I think about it, are you involved with doing these for TV series / movies / books as well? I admin on three other other wikis that could benefit from footers like these. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Consider Borderlands listed and approved! As for the other non-gaming footers, I don't know of any plans involving them for the time being, but I'll let you know if I hear anything ;) Raylan13 ( talk ) 22:46, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

More redundant stuff
The template Template:Character and Template:Infobox character are redundant but more than that, I think the first one is bad because it comprises the entire article wich feels wrong in its own, but it also makes editing more complicated, does not allow to include tables and there is no edit button for each section since they're not actually existant. This doesn't seem to be a big deal with smaller articles, but only those.

Also there seem to be redundant categories in some places like for example: Category:Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty and Category:Appears in Captain Scarlett and Her Pirate's Booty. What do you think of all this? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 22:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Template:Character was implemented to prevent all the random additions and style changes that were springing up on character articles. Yes, it comprises the entire page, and that is by design. Template:Infobox character was the old one, and is now deprecated. As for the categories, they are not redundant - categories have frequently been misapplied, and that was another reason why the full page character template was introduced. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:45, September 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh I see. However, I can't include tables while using that character template like for example the table in Creeper where the skin drops from that enemy are shown. Perhaps using the old one in those cases is ok? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 11:41, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no reason to comprehensively document skin drops on a character article, complete with tabulated data and images. Those are pick up items, in other words "another subject" and therefore belong on an appropriate item article. By all means, link to an associated article, but please do not try to document characters and skins on articles reserved for characters. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Malware
I do not know who to tell, but I found a pressing issue. If you visit borderlands wikia pages (I tried it on the legendary page, home page, and several character pages) from a mobile device, in my case an iPhone, you are often (tried 10 times, got it 6 of them) given cookies by malicious adware sites including adking. Once given, whenever you click on a link anywhere, before it loads, one of several strange and likely malicious URL's will quickly flash in the address bar then go away after redirecting you to your origional destination.


 * Hi Petra Arkanian,
 * Please use the Special:Contact form to submit a report for Wikia staff to review. Thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:25, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox format collapsing after adding images
WarBlade,

I just came across the conversations you had with Ablake over skill info boxes and how their formatting would collapse when adding images, regardless of using the source editor or copy and pasting from the skill template itself. I just realized this has been happening to me as well after seeing the cleanup work you did to an article I edited earlier today. After some testing I came up with a cause and solution.

The issue stemmed from the user preferences in my account, specifically the ones for editing. The VisualEditor was selected as my preferred editor, which I changed to the source editor. After this change, adding an image to a skill infobox didn’t cause the formatting to collapse like it had been doing. Apparently, the mere act of having the VisualEditor on when initiating a page edit triggers the issue, even if the source editor is switched to for the actual editing. --Maniacal Mutton (talk) 22:30, October 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting observation. Thanks. I'm still puzzled about how the VisualEditor tags are appearing in page histories. Every one of Ablake's edits were tagged as VisualEditor, despite the assertion that source editing was used. Looking at your sandbox history today I see four edits tagged as VisualEditor edits, a further five apparently as source edits, then another from VisualEditor. Curiosity question: Is that an accurate portrayal of the editors used? Or were there any source edits (from switching to source from VisualEditor as the default) tagged as VisualEditor? -- WarBlade (talk) 00:06, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * The sandbox edits marked as source were done with the default set to source editor. However, I just tested the scenario where VisualEditor is the default editor, an edit is initiated, source edit is used to edit, and than the page is saved. It tagged this edit as having been done with the VisualEditor, since you cannot publish directly from the popup source window when the edit was started with VisualEditor. -- Maniacal Mutton (talk) 00:45, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought that might happen. Thanks again. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 09:21, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tables of skins
Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous? I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template. - -- 14:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * "Why are you deleting my edits on the article of Terramorphous?"
 * Because you moved content outside of the page template.
 * "I'm adding the table of skins present in other articles about enemies who drop the specific items which is missing here, and I can't include it inside a template."
 * Exactly. Those tables do not belong on those other articles either.
 * -- WarBlade (talk) 23:08, October 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? Of course they belong there, they are relevant information to the article in question, why wouldn't they. - -- 03:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You're referring to character heads / skins. These are pick up items, or consumables to put another label on them. Irrespective of where they drop from, they have no place being documented on a character article. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:39, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I disagree with you. I mean, why would they be irrelevant? We're not talking about money or eridium or health which are also consumable items, these are character customizations, an important part of the game and a few of them are obtained through a certain enemy only. Pictures improve an article and this is adding content. - -- 11:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so I'll add them. Unless you want to discuss it further. - 21:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought I was clear. Do NOT add them. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:53, October 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * You keep saying they don't belong there, but why? What is so terrible about that idea? We're talking about improving an article here. - 03:12, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm curious if the following would be acceptable: That way the information about which specific skins a boss drops is still enumerated on their page, with a quick link to a graphic showing what it looks like, but it's not pulling in graphics and tables which aren't really necessary. Apocalyptech (talk) 19:40, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Adding a an anchor around the skin/head names in the individual "Skins" page (like Maya's), with   or whatever.
 * 2) Then on the boss page itself, enumerating the specific skin/head drops via a usual text-based list, rather than the clunky table-with-graphics, something like:


 * I still think the images are better but this is better than nothing, seems to me like a good solution. - 00:25, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Need help
Hey, I was editing this page, but there are 2 spaces after the first instance of liason. I need help regarding that.

Utkar22

It's ok, the page is largely outdated at this time EDIT: AND THE ENTIRE PAGE NEEDS RE-WRITTEN since unregistered editors can no longer edit here due to HUGE amounts of vandalism. As far as I know, there are no active liaisons on this wiki. Although anyone really has the power to be one. 15:41, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

The page can sit as it is. 15:47, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Robot your talk page says that you are a liaison. Anyways I fixed that. 16:30,30-Oct-2015 16:30, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Why reversal of my changes on "The Machine"
I added that "The Machine" is a reference to the Team Fortress 2 weapon of the same name - which it clearly is, so why did you remove this instead of simply adding a trivia section for this weapon Kukicha (talk) 20:57, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because six years of assertions masquerading as "trivia" on this wiki moved us to implement a strict trivia policy. In short, if the trivia policy gets ignored then the trivia update will probably be removed. -- WarBlade (talk) 02:33, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

Lootable Objects
Hello there,

am trying to update Lootable object page by adding pictures of BLTPS versions but image I'm adding somehow ends up in a wrong section. Not sure why is that, any help will be appreciated.

SirFoggy (talk) 16:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Racist Hotdog / Birthday Cat
Hello! I was going to add a page for Racist Hotdog and Birthday Cat, but I got to thinking that they probably didn't each merit their own page, since they're both just personae of Claptrap and are never encountered individually. So I was thinking of maybe just a "Claptrap Personae" page which would have both. And then I got to thinking that since they're sort of just Claptrap, maybe all they merit is a section on Claptrap's page itself. Anyway, let me know which of those you'd prefer (or if you'd prefer something else entirely) and I'll take a stab at it later. Thanks! Apocalyptech (talk) 21:59, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hm, thinking about it just a little more, it probably wouldn't make sense on Claptrap's page, 'cause they're first used by a totally different Claptrap unit, not Claptrap/Fragtrap itself. So just a "Claptrap Personae" page? Anyway... Apocalyptech (talk) 22:03, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * The more I think about it, the more a "Personae" page might make the most sense. In File Search, Claptrap opens the Security door by pretending to be "Tiffany," and I seem to recall that there were a few other instances of similar assumed-identities-while-opening-doors elsewhere, though I can't recall them now. (Apologies for all the talking-to-self, btw) Apocalyptech (talk) 22:46, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Eh, in the end it probably does make more sense to just have them as separate pages, even though it's mostly duplicated information between the two. I've gone ahead and done that. Apocalyptech (talk) 16:26, November 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't have that DLC. If you could refer the question to others who do, I could look in on the subject (and mediate if needed), but I try to avoid heavy involvement in subjects that I have no personal experience of. -- WarBlade (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, thanks! I'm pretty sure it makes the most sense the way I ended up doing it, so I think I'll probably just leave it that way, and if others disagree it can always be edited. Thanks for all the editorial work in general, btw - it's nice to have someone with your eye for detail looking things over! Apocalyptech (talk) 14:22, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Change to "Rarity link" template?
Hello! I'd like to make a change to the "Rarity link" template to support Glitch rarity a little better, but since that is a super-commonly-used template, I figure it should get approved by someone in charge. :)

The short summary is that "Glitch" itself can refer to an item rarity, to a class of enemies, and to an individual enemy itself, so the "Glitch" page itself should really be disambiguation. My proposed change would allow users to specify  to link directly to Glitch (rarity), instead of having to do something like: , which is ugly and far less intuitive than any of the other rarity levels.

I've put up a template which does what I'd suggested here: User:Apocalyptech/Rarity link. I've also created a table showing its functionality (and a more in-depth discussion of my proposal) at User:Apocalyptech/Testing.

An alternative to editing the template like this is to just leave Glitch as a redirect to Glitch (rarity) and cope with not having a disambiguation page. I'd personally prefer changing the template, but I'd understand if you'd prefer not to.

Thanks in any case! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 06:57, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, well - if you've got no objections (or just plain don't care), I'll probably go ahead with this change soon. My testing indicates that the only behavior it changes is when "glitch" is specified, so IMO it's quite safe. Onward! Apocalyptech (talk) 20:38, December 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry. I did see this, but lost track of it bouncing between updates. Yeah, sounds fine. If the target article has moved to distinguish it from other subjects of the same name, then the templated link should be updated to match. -- WarBlade (talk) 21:58, December 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Groovy, thanks! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 14:41, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I did find one case where my updated template breaks existing content; namely when it's used via the Template:Challenge skin template (and perhaps elsewhere). When the template sees a link like ":Category:CategoryName", because it's being seen inside a #switch statement, it interprets it as if it were the beginning of a line, so the leading colon for the category link is interpreted as an indent statement (which breaks the linking). You can see that on the Challenge page in the Borderlands 2 section; various numbers in that table are supposed to be linking to Category:Skins but aren't 'cause of the weirdness. I'm looking into solutions; if I don't find anything in a bit I'll revert my changes to the Rarity link template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:12, December 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, all better. The behavior doesn't seem to be changeable (at least that I'd found), but if I move the link brackets inside each #switch case, it at least takes care of the indent/colon issue, so I'm happy enough with that, even though it technically adds a bit of duplication in the template. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 16:48, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Where to do "Sandbox" style edits?
So I'm curious where is appropriate to do a concerted amount of work on a specific page? I'd just doublechecked, and edits to my own User:Apocalyptech/Sandbox page (assuming that's what you mean) still show up in the "Wiki Activity" log... Is that better than doing a series of edits, even though the edit history looks the same? Or were you just talking about the "history" on a single page itself, not the activity log?

On a more philosophical note, I suppose I'm still a bit unsure as to why incremental edits like the ones I've done today would be a bad thing. I looked over the history for today and there's only one edit in there that I'd personally consider somewhat frivolous - when I'd needed to correct a broken link that I should've caught during Preview. The others were basically just a combination of fixing problems/omissions as I happened to notice them, and adding in the new page content that I'd been adding. I suppose I tend to come from a school of thought that incremental changes are much preferred to wide, sweeping changes, so it's an adjustment. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 22:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Your personal user space is your own to tinker with as you see fit, but main space articles are collaborative, and updating them with a multitude of small edits can cause unnecessary bloat for other contributors to sift through. It can also be a problem for editors trying to update pages when someone is publishing test edits, and causing edit conflicts as a result. One edit is good, several to correct oversights / mistakes are acceptable, but you ran the count to fourteen. -- WarBlade (talk) 22:51, December 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Noted, though IMO fourteen edits over six hours is hardly excessive. I also wouldn't classify anything I was doing as "testing," and the chances of anyone else doing work on that page seemed minimal at best (and I always have a tab open on the self-refreshing Activity page while I'm working, specifically in case someone else ends up wanting to edit the same page I'm working on). Still, I shall certainly attempt to keep serial edits to a minimum. Apologies again for the spam! -- Apocalyptech (talk) 23:52, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Well, hm, this will doubtless come off sounding like some kind of ragequit-like thing, but it's honestly not intended to be that. Mostly I just wanted to suggest that in the future, if someone comes to the wiki willing to spend hours adding content, collecting and uploading images, and generally filling things out, it's maybe not a great idea to block them from editing a page for the "totally inappropriate" crime of averaging one edit every 25 minutes on a page that's being actively worked on.

I'd had some pretty grand plans to continue filling out Pre-Sequel content, and I've still got 59 already-cropped images sitting in a dir on my HD which'd otherwise already be uploaded and sitting on tons of new pages by now. In the end, though, getting locked out of a page I'd been happily working on for hours gave me a pretty strong disinclination to continue editing, and it was pretty easy to decide to spend my idle time doing other stuff. I may certainly end up back at some point if my Pre-Sequel activity returns (I was pretty much done playing TPS when I'd gone crazy with the editing)... It seems like with a frivolous activity like adding content to a video game wiki, throwing up needless barriers to willing contributors is perhaps not the best policy. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 18:15, January 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * I've spent a lot of time on wikis learning that "willing contributors" are not necessarily the same thing as "productive contributors." Wikis are collaborative efforts to maintain and it is therefore beneficial to make updates with as much consideration for fellow contributors as possible - editing on the small scale, piecemeal, runs counter to that goal. I've also found that while some people disappear after a warning or block, others resolve to adjust their behaviour, and those are often the ones that make some of the best editors further down the track. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, January 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Heh, well. If you really do consider that six-hour editing session "small scale," piecemeal, totally inappropriate, and somehow harmful to the hypothetical editors who might have in some alternate universe been attempting to edit those pages at the same time as me, then we definitely do have a pretty wide philosophical schism here. If you're unwilling to incur a "cost" of having one edit every 25 minutes or so, on an index-like page which now links to 23 new pages which hadn't existed before that six-hour editing block, then we probably just don't have much common ground. Alas! Anyway, good luck with the rest of the wiki; I seem destined to be one of those who just disappears, it seems. -- Apocalyptech (talk) 05:57, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Animal Rescue: Food
Animal Rescue food: the info is wrong - you do not shoot scags to get the tougues - they are hanging in the NW side of town.

After the frist round is done the mounted dcags are where you get the tongues, they do not drop off reg skags.

I know the edit was messy but the info is wrong.

Nivekinks (talk) 06:45, January 11, 2016 (UTC)Nivek


 * You appear to be referring to the second stage of Animal Rescue: Medicine, which involves finding five pieces of food on racks up around Gunslinger's Corner. Please research carefully before updating articles, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:13, January 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Listen - the first part is get medicine


 * The second part is get the tongued - they are on the cart


 * the Third part is get more tongues and they are dropped from the armoured skags - NOT the three on the way to the elevevator.


 * I just did the quests - so how about you do some research ? Jesus whats the point of a wiki if its wrong.


 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSBXoR0ADI


 * http://ca.ign.com/wikis/borderlands-2/Animal_Rescue:_Food


 * Nivekinks (talk)


 * Firstly, do not wipe talk page content from another user's talk page - the fact that you did this (after a testy response restored above) has resulted in a short three day block, and hopefully that is sufficient to give you time to simmer down. Maintaining the content of user talk pages is the prerogative of that user, not you. Secondly, if you find incorrect information on the wiki, it is fine to update it, but all updates must be carefully researched - any double-checking is appreciated. Any further disputes or disagreements must be taken to the article talk page.


 * The Borderlands Wiki also strives to present information in the third person perspective, so addressing your reader on mainspace articles will result in reverted edits. Similarly, we dropped the use of the word "quest" in 2009 in favour of the word "mission" seeing as that is the what the games themselves have displayed on the user interface. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:28, January 11, 2016 (UTC)

Page moves
Sure no problem (in response). I have made several moves, all of them with good reason except that last one. I guess I must have confused it with a skill article. My bad, I also did changes regarding the links between the articles after the renaming, don't worry I'll go ahead and revert those.

On another note, some articles like Shield and Sniper Rifle are conflicting with specific items that are called like that (Shield (Tediore) and Sniper Rifle (Title)), I forgot the Sniper one, but I did renamed the shield which you already reversed. Don't you think those should be disambiguations as well? - 21:29, January 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * No, those are primary item types, and therefore are common search terms, with hundreds of articles linking to them. They need to stay put. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:18, January 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah good point. - 09:00, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I will move the pages Invader (sniper rifle) to Invader (Borderlands, sniper rifle) because there are actually 2 sniper rifles, one of which is from Borderlands 2 making the disambiguation title inacurate. The second disambiguaton annex, because there is a third weapon also called invader, from Borderlands too which I'll change to Invader (Borderlands, pistol). I think this follows the guidelines, an example of this already happens with MIRV grenades here and here. Unless I missed something, what do you think? - 00:24, January 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * My request to you was simple: If you think a page should be moved, request a page move, but do not move the page. Then you carried on moving pages anyway, hence why you are now blocked. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Reverting Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox
Why did you revert changes on Interplanetary Ninja Chatterbox? No information was lost in the new version, valuable information was added, and the entire thing was massively cleaned up for easier navigation, rather than having a tutorial explained in mouseover tooltips for images. Degrelescence (talk) 05:28, March 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Aside from putting a slider gallery in the page (please don't do that again), you also killed your entire update by defying the policy on maintaining third person perspective. Addressing your reader directly is automatic grounds for a revert. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:56, March 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Actually your Borderlands Wiki:Manual of Style says nothing about addressing the reader, and actually shows several examples of addressing the reader, as fine. What it says is that referring to the author is a no, no. Which I didn't do. See the writing section. That said, I agree that in universe writing is common but changing the one "you" to "vault hunter" would have taken almost no effort on your part. Second, I shouldn't be here, asking for your explanation of the revert, as you should always explain your actions. "Editors have been working on this wiki for years and to not give reason for editing at this stage is simply rude" (first paragraph of the manual of style). Finally, you really think 6x pictures and subtext is better than bulleted explanation and 2x pictures?
 * "Images: Images make an article memorable and pretty. They can speak where words fail. At the same time, misplaced or untidy images can detract from an article. When choosing images, keep in mind placement, size, and the appropriateness of the image to the section. Let images flow with the text instead of break it up. [...] Galleries: When an article has many images, or can be improved by having more, and having inline images be detract from the readbility of an articles, the use of a gallery section is encouraged." Degrelescence (talk) 19:39, March 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Manual of Style is out of date, and the Style Guide slightly less so. As for suggesting I should clean up after you, maybe, sometimes on small clean up jobs, but you'll have to appreciate (given the length of time it has taken me to reply) that I don't necessarily have the time to pick through and adjust everything to the established standard here. The gallery style for those Easter egg hunt achievements is currently two-column graphic and map, with a blurb covering the location. If that is to change we will have to embark on a wiki-wide project, and if you want to do that you will have to campaign for it and get a clear consensus. Please do not attempt to overhaul a large chunk of the wiki again without discussing the matter with the community here first. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:49, March 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * I would respond, at length, to all the ridiculous in that reply, but it doesn't matter. Here is all it comes down to: you were a dick for no reason. Simply stating that you use a particular format for those kinds of pages would have been a start and end to the conversation. Instead you decided to lie, belittle, and insult, like a child. I won't change the page, because I can respect that there is more than one collection challenge and maintaining consistent formatting should be the priority but you should really reconsider how you talk to people. Your entire talk page, top to bottom, is evidence that I am not the only one. Degrelescence (talk) 14:02, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Determinate State
Before Tales from the borderlands, there were characters with determinate state?


 * I'd never encountered the term prior to Tales of the Borderlands. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:20, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Uploading heads and skins
Sorry to bother you, Warblade, but how do I add missing heads and skins to the different VH's pages? For example, Maya is missing a few of hers, but I can't add them. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 00:20, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Special:Upload is the tool to use. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:02, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ah okay. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 16:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Battleborn Invite
Hello WarBlade! I just wanted to let you know I sent you an email about a Battleborn opportunity. I'd love to hear from you, so let me know if you have a different email I should use than the one you used to register your Wikia account.

Thanks! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 23:00, March 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll have to decline. I just looked at a couple of trailers for Battleborn, and to be honest they didn't spark my interest. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:12, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Hello!
1st of all, I can't edit anything on the Wikia, for some reason... Can you help me out? plz?

Thanks,ZeusGamer101 (talk) 11:45, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Leaving a message on my talk page qualifies as an edit... Were you trying to edit a protected page? -- WarBlade (talk) 02:47, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

SparkofLeaves
Hey Warblade, I think SparkofLeaves ' account was hacked because they changed a lot of the sniper rifle pages for BL 1 from repeater to pump-action. As far as I know, only shotguns are pump-action. Thanks.

Gulfwulf (talk) 03:29, March 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * They're just making nomenclature consistent. Please review Sniper Rifle. Dämmerung 03:34, March 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * The term is bolt-action, not pump-action, so I think that page needs to be updated as well.
 * Gulfwulf (talk) 18:23, March 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Review the animation of the weapons in question. There is no bolt, hence, these are not bolt-acton rifles. These are weapons in a fictional universe. Dämmerung 18:25, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll load up the game later on and check them out, but pump-action just seems a strange way to describe a sniper rifle. Anyway, I've reverted all of my changes and want to appologize to Sparky if they read this.
 * Gulfwulf (talk) 18:31, March 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * I hear you. I called them "manual-action" rifles on the parts page for just that reason. Dämmerung 18:41, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

the End-User Created Content page
Hi, I left a message on User talk:Dr. Clayton Forrestor and thought I should probably link it to the other admin as well you might know anything useful on the situation too? (I thought about copypasting it but it's probably best to keep the conversation on one page) --kittenofdoom (talk) 12:29, April 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 19:40, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Jet Fighter Image
Thanks for adding the info box on the Jet Fighter page. You wouldn't happen to be able to grab a screen shot of one, would you? I play on 360, so anything I could generate would be... yeah. I did try searching the images already uploaded, but couldn't find one to link to.

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 01:09, April 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think I have several jet fighter screenies - I have quite a big archive to draw from. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:51, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Why I stopped contributing here
I was just going to do nothing but I came back to post here because I should at least say something, even if it's ignored

I decided a few days ago to stop contributing here, after I had been pretty active (I had enthusiasm because I like the characters and story with this game, and.. I'm not Australian but after I read about 2K Australia being closed by 2K acting like a greedy corporate parent because they didn't want to pay their employees the Australian cost of living etc, was really sad, so I wanted to make sure that stuff gets memorialised).

You deleted screenshots for an article that I had spent a while making, uploading and tagging - even though they didn't break any rules (4 from different angles and 1 in a different pose - so that there's an encyclopaedic record of what stuff looked like even if different computers can't play it in future years - and the 2 animated gifs showed the intro and the character's movement in a way a static picture can't)

Just deleted without any kind of discussion or talking, just summarily and authoritarian-like... I stopped editing wikis a long time ago because of this kind of behaviour from people given admin powers on the internet before, it seems to nearly always go to their heads (and I looked at your userpage and realise that you are not one of those "teenage admins" where the cliché comes from but that just makes it more disappointing really), and unlike people like paid community representatives and such who are hired for their social skills, experience with helping others, talking to people etc, it's usually based on whatever things people contribute on a technical level instead, I'm reminded of this article #5 and #4, but yeah that stuff applies to all wikis not just you personally, and I am too disillusioned with all that to write more...

I looked through things and looks like Dr Forrester wrote this years ago Borderlands Wiki:Greeter/Liaison policy, it's nice and reads that someone had genuine good intentions, it's thoughtful, it's a shame though that it's not in practice though

This could probably be better worded and might just make you angry or whatever, but I don't know what else to say, now I can feel I at least said something anyway --kittenofdoom (talk) 13:29, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * I deleted redundancy. There is no reason to make a gallery with three different versions of basically the same shot (one distinction being a slight baring of teeth because the character was talking), and we really only have character galleries for the playable characters anyway - the character template itself indicates that by not including a gallery field. And please do not upload animated gifs for galleries. As for providing an explanation, the update summaries only provide room for a few words, certainly not a paragraph like this one here. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:05, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Redundancy doesn't work in the long run in many cases.
 * Redundant deletions may be constructive if there no meaningful difference between versions.
 * Similar how you add something obviously missing, you may trim down something obviously duplicate.
 * There also nothing special about admins, we can all make mistakes.
 * Please see User_talk:Kittenofdoom D1g (talk) 16:18, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Enemies Template for Pre-Sequel?
In comparing the BL2 and TPS character pages, I noticed that there's an Enemies template (Enemies of Pandora). Unless I'm missing something, there's no Elpis/Helios equivalent? If I just missed it, please point it out! If it doesn't exist, any chance of adding one? --Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:18, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and on the subject of templates...

Any idea why the image upload tool is transposing the height and width of the image in the meta data? Is there any way to fix this? Uploaded image for the Turret info box which was cropped from a full screen shot using Photoshop CS3, but it's not showing properly. Any clues on this would be appreciated as well. Thanks! Alkymical Gamer (talk) 22:36, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

A Crazy Idea...
Just a suggestion but, if you don't feel that what someone has done fits with the site's requirements, how about employing a little constructive engagement? Let them know what the issue is, and give them a chance to fix it, rather than just nuking everything from orbit. You never know: it might actually result in more completed pages...

Alkymical Gamer (talk) 00:25, May 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I have spent six years letting people know what the issues are, and still I find myself asked for the same explanations - explanations which cannot fit in update summaries. Please note that you are publishing content on a wiki . Here we ask that you keep to third person perspective (no addressing your reader). Also note we generally don't play host to step-by-step instructions, which are largely superfluous given that the Borderlands games themselves give players the prompts on where to go and what to do. It's the "how" to do things that makes for interesting reading. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:31, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Bandits versus Bandit in manufacture name
Hey Warblade,

I see you've reverted the change to the Pun-chee and I was wondering why. The manufacture of the Pun-chee is "Bandit", not "bandits" as stated on the item card. Sure bandits may make them, but I think it's a bit confusing because the card says "Bandit", which is the same as the other manufactures like Torgue, Tediore, etc. Thanks.

Damn it, forgot to sign. --Gulfwulf (talk) 07:10, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * It only confuses if you take a very literal interpretation of the word on the item card and ignore the meaning of that word. Torgue and Tediore are examples of big manufacturing businesses - they have company brand names. "Bandit" and "scav" weapons by contrast are simply cobbled together by certain denizens of Pandora and Elpis respectively. And those groups are rightly common nouns. Those factions apparently do not maintain large weapon factories with a brand name named after them, so it would be inappropriate to treat those weapons in exactly the same context as the branded guns of the corporate giants, branded with the title of a proper noun. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:25, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry!
There were a lot of choices and it was difficult to try and think of all our communities... *gulp*

Thanks for reading it :)

Knakveey (talk) 20:05, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Text wrapper templates

 * Heya :) Thanks for being interested in the template classification project. Due to various constraints, there are going to be some templates, like O2, which just don't fit easily into any of our classes. And you may find that for these more unusual templates, advice will vary from staff member to staff member — or even will change over time, should we add (or change the nature of) the classes.


 * As of right now, having consulted our engineering team, I'd say you'd be best off changing the class to "Design". Though this class is mainly for templates that affect the layout of whole pages, I think we can safely stretch its meaning to be something that affects the design of a part of a page — even a small one. — CzechOut 19:40, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
Hello! I'm Isaac, and I'm representing Wikia's Vanguard and Community Technical teams. We help communities adopt to new technologies and features, like content portability. We've identified Borderlands Wiki as a high priority for introducing the Portable Infobox tool, which has a lot of benefits for your community. Rather than get into all of the metrics and numbers (though I can present some of those if you're interested), I'll keep it simple. I'd like to reproduce as much as possible the look and feel of your desktop infoboxes in global CSS, and work to update the Infobox templates themselves so that they can be accessible on any current and future platform. Maintaining them if you want to make changes should be very simple.

If I can do this successfully for some of your most commonly used Infoboxes, can we work together to do all of them? We'd really like to get working on your community, but we need your go-ahead. Also, if you have any questions, or this is the wrong venue for this kind of a discussion, please let me know. Thanks! FishTank (wall) 09:11, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * So I sigh to myself and check the side by side comparison, and this time I'm pleasantly surprised. Okay, based on previous issues we've had with portable infoboxes I'm going to throw a particular requirement out there: we need a problem-free, functional demonstration version, not called by an existing mainspace page, to review (and tweak if necessary) before pushing it to live articles. The test version called in my subpage linked above may be a suitable candidate. That design is also visible on skill pages calling Template:Infobox skill, which I've left intact for the moment (it was less problematic than the mission infobox). Then it can become a community decision - we can put up another blog for users to comment on.


 * Now for the feedback. On my test page the infobox has a wonderfully ugly brown stripe for True Vault Hunter Mode that nobody wants - this was just a subheading under "Rewards" triggered by a parser in the event that rewards were supplied for the higher game difficulty level. Other than that little detail, the old infoboxes were horrendously ugly to start with, so in terms of styling I think it's safe to say we can be quite flexible - see borderlandsthegame.com for a garish red and yellow, with thick black lines, style for ideas. The existing orange and grey palette was fine, but I think the dark mustard tone brought in on the initial attempt with portable infoboxes was a step in the wrong direction personally.


 * Has there been some more work done on the word wrap issues recently? I see text being presented appropriately now, and without a smorgasbord of hyphens. It looks good. That was one of the old problems we had: boxes for concise information bites needed to account for titles like The Horrible Hunger of the Ravenous Wattle Gobbler, and Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel is better off without any added hyphens. I'm really pleased with the way the text is looking in the portable infobox now. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:38, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

if it doesnt wreck the browser version of the wiki then: 11:01, June 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm pleased that you like those. My drafts are not yet done (as there was an unexpected issue I discovered with implementation this morning), but are close: Template:Infobox_weapon2/Draft and Template:Infobox_mission/Draft. Those are the only two I've done so far. I was hoping to have a live demonstration available that was CSS complete (the problem is contingent on rarity in Weapon2). I fully intend to have a problem-free functional demo as soon as Engineering works out this kink. We shoot for pixel-perfect replicas unless there's room for improvement with native functions, or you elect to make a change. I'll admit: we've made great strides in the look of PIs. Probably the easiest way to see the differences is to add /Draft to the template call in an article and preview it. The brown stripe was easily fixed once you pointed it out. I'm not sure what was up with the hyphenation / wrap before, but that may have had to do with over-padding. So, can I keep working at the drafts? Shouldn't interfere with anything you have in production. FishTank (wall) 11:27, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

i do not bleve we need worry about whats in production. the franchise is between games and the dev is working on battleborn so the admins and userbase of this wiki are more focused on spell checking and fact checking at this time. i do not have a problem w/ this implementation provided it neither breaks the wiki nor causes unannounced re-editing of articles to accommodate a feature that was not requested by the userbase. i realize that wikia is all about the mobile, i do. please keep in mind that ppl have poured time and energy into this wiki long b4 the mobile push. these ppl, myself included, will be nonplussed to see their efforts torn asunder by non community members. play nice, share your toys. Njoy! 00:50, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's easily addressed. I have no intention of changing your article text or any of the parameters in the Infobox. That should all be a seamless drop-in replacement. (Even if mass-editing needed to happen, I'd bot edit it with your approval.) By "in production", I meant the live copy of Borderlands Wiki as opposed to a sandbox or test wiki. For what it's worth, neither Wikia nor portability is "all about the mobile". It's a factor, and it's a large part of traffic, but the benefits go beyond that. Especially with game communities, players tend to access the wiki from whatever device / platform is available; that can be anything from a phone to a game console to a smartwatch (and eventually the HUDs of VR viewers, which will doubtless be a method of play for the next Borderlands game). We want to make sure that your content works on all of those, too. FishTank (wall) 02:41, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Two variants, for consideration:


 * --WarBlade (talk) 02:43, June 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Consider that coloring removed. We're going with the red bars and spacing of Europa, then? (Option 2) FishTank (wall) 03:13, June 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, let's try that. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 03:42, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

OK, changes made as discussed and many Infoboxes approved. If you spot anything that you'd like tweaked, let me know. :-) FishTank (wall) 17:25, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Need Help Reversing Category Edit
Hey, uh, I'm kinda new to editing this wiki. And editing Wikis in general. I hit the 'Leave Message' button, so I hope I'm doing this right.

You posted on my talk page, saying to ask for help whenever needed. I tried to add a category to a picture of a Queen Spiderant that I uploaded (queenspiderant1.jpg), and I didn't notice that the categories are case-sensitive and I can't seem to go back and edit the category, I accidentally made it 'Images of Enemies', rather than 'Images of enemies'.

How do I reverse this edit?

Thanks. QueenFrau (talk) 05:13, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Leave Message button is fine.


 * The post on your talk page is auto-generated for any new contributor and auto-signed with the sig of the last admin to edit the wiki - in this case me. :)


 * As for the category, I have patched it up for you. It can be edited by clicking the edit button at the top of the image page. Once in edit mode, you can select / discard unwanted category names, as well as add new names. Also, please select a licence template when you upload an image to this wiki. "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:45, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Beerfest Trivia
What should I do for the Beerfest reference? Should it be a link to Beerfest. Kgk4569 (talk) 21:39, July 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * The first thing is to carefully research anything you write before publishing. The second thing is to make sure the trivia note complies with this wiki's trivia policy. If at some point you realise that what you were thinking of publishing is nothing more than a vacuous piece of nonsense, don't publish it. -- WarBlade (talk) 05:34, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Nine-Toes Interwiki
Nine-Toes page is protected, I wanted to add Interwiki link to RU page - Девятипалый. MtMB (talk) 14:03, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * You don't mind, if I'll continue Interwiki theme here? Aries - Дракула . MtMB (talk) 10:00, November 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Link added. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 10:26, November 3, 2016 (UTC)

Policies
hey, I am a regular player of borderlands on the ps3, and thought I might make an account on this wikia considering my use of it for information.

i may as well ask if there are any rules or regulations etc. that i must follow before i get into editing, thank you.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:03, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555


 * Yes, we have various policies. Most can be found here. The style guide is out of date, but much of the rest should provide a decent guideline. Thanks for asking. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:13, October 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, i know now from when i tried to edit wikipedia to always ask before editing.
 * yours inubitably
 * Loomhigh223555 (talk) 04:20, October 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

BLTPS grenades template
There's a BL2 grenades template that goes at bottom of the pages but that is not the case for BLTPS grenades. I've created one and added it to the Bouncing Bazza page. As you can see, common grenades are still missing but those can be added later on.

While making the template I've, by mistake, created a page with the same name. I see that you have already deleted that page, thanks.

Is it OK for me to add this template to the remaining BLTPS grenade pages?

Thanks.SirFoggy (talk) 20:47, October 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, go for it. -- WarBlade (talk) 06:13, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

About the starting weapons for playable characters
They all, with exception of those for the Baroness, are considered unique but share names with other non-unique weapons. One example would be Slick Delivery, starting weapon for the Enforcer, and Slick Delivery of the blue rarity.

Wilhelm's shotgun is a true unique weapon while the blue Delivery variants are not. Although they do share the same name that's pretty much all they have in common. Wilhelm's shotgun always spawns with fixed parts and w/o scope or elemental capacitor. Regular blue Delivery may spawn with variety of options including, but not limited to, scope and/or elemental capacitor. Balance, barrel, and material used are different for these two weapons. I believe these two should be listed in different categories witin ShotgunsTPS template as well as having their own pages. This could be easily done by renaming the existing Delivery page to Delivery (Wilhelm) and creating Delivery (Blue) page for the regular one.

Similar thing has been done for number of starting weapons in BL2 (see: http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Repeater) so why not for the BLTPS starting weapons. I don't mind putting the effort in creating those pages and disambiguation/redirecting pages where needed. I would do this for Delivery shotgun first, and then do the rest if you're happy with the result.

Please let me know.

SirFoggy (talk) 13:18, October 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Please do not rename any pages. Items that are mainstream or primary items generally don't need clarifiers and therefore will not need to be be moved. eg. the Delivery must stay where it is. As for Wilhelm's Slick Delivery, sure, that sounds like something that could be "Slick Delivery (starting weapon)" or something to that effect, but it doesn't appear to have any naming conflict, so "Slick Delivery" is fine. Then it will need a disambiguation note in the head of the article to point to "Delivery" to account for the Slick version of the Delivery. -- WarBlade (talk) 19:47, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

advice
i will be leaving for two weeks, during that time i plan to gain information for Nishas skills articles, then edit the articles when i arrive. Before i leave, i would appreciate any advice and/or notable reccomendations for making an article on the skills and skill trees.

thanks,

yours indubitably.

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 23:58, October 16, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Roland Builds
If not Roland, then what?

a category was removed as "misnamed" - but this was old name used by Template:Roland_Build - what name would you suggest for it? D1g (talk) 15:03, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like I took that one down in a rush. Categories should be presented in accordance with the rest of the English standard here - lower case for common nouns. As for categorising builds generally, it's worth mentioning that I've always kept those a bit partitioned off from the main body of the category tree because they are user created content. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, October 19, 2016 (UTC)

About the Scavenger Beast
Every other type of Kragon has Startegy section on their respective pages but this one. Following those examples, I've briefly described the Scavenger Beast's behavior in combat only to have it reverted by you with explanation that "Mission strategy belongs on the mission page". I would agree with that if my edit was not about the the Scavenger Beast itself but about the mission it appears in. Why every other kragon can have Strategy section saying "it does this and that" but not this one?

Thanks.

SirFoggy (talk) 22:22, October 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * That goes back to the first game. At an early stage on this wiki we had strategy sections springing up on both character articles and mission articles about the same encounters, and aside from the redundancy there was also the problem that some of them were in direct conflict, contradicting one another. The problem started getting worse when key encounters were also getting strategies put into achievement articles. Add to that, encounters like General Knoxx included more complex considerations than just the central character. So we boiled it down, shifting the character strategies to just the mission articles where the conflicts can be contained in one place and the trash mob additions can also be documented appropriately. You probably will have noticed that this consideration is factored into the character template itself - when a mission is supplied under strategy, the strategy section is disabled.


 * The other kraggons aren't mission-specific so their strategies are on the character articles. The strategy for this particular kraggon should be a component part of a strategy section on the mission article. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:43, October 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your prompt and informative reply, much appreciated.
 * SirFoggy (talk) 17:08, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Shugguraths and Rathyds
I was doing a bit of editing on both and wanted to add gallery to the Shuggurath page but then noticed it's done as character template page, or whatever the right name for it might be, in contrast to the Rathyd page which is more like a normal article page. Both can't be right, so which one is it? Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 03:44, November 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * The Rathyd article should be a faction article, like this for example. The individual rathyd types can have their own individual articles. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, November 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's what I though. Thing is, for Shugguraths Charater page template was used, not a faction article. Converting the page to a different format isn't much of a problem or a lot of work but I wouldn't like to do something like that with out asking first. SirFoggy (talk) 14:25, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

uploading audio files
hey, i recently managed to record some of kriegs quotes and convert them into OGG audio files, i am wondering how i can upload them to the wiki so i can place them on the krieg quotes page.

yours indubitably,

Loomhigh223555 (talk) 02:36, December 5, 2016 (UTC)loomhigh223555

Question about Berrigan edits
Hi WarBlade,

I've made numerous update edits to some pre-sequel weapon pages in the past few days, as I've been doing some testing for veracity and hard numbers. You've made subsequent edits to most of them, which I'll admit upset me at first but after some thoUght I admit that most of them are reasonable cleanup edits.

However, I was surprised that you completely reverted my edits to the Berrigan without leaving any of my findings. I think that the fact that the Berrigan is significantly inferior to the Badaboom in nearly every way is worthy information for the wiki (since the weapons are so similar). So, I'd like to petition to have it in some form somewhere on the page. I can certainly understand relegating it to Notes or Trivia, but compared to your other edIts I was surprised that you reverted the Berrigan page with no trace of my information.

Thanks, and apologies for the tendency of some of my edits to include subjective commentary.

Sincerely, Amorra (talk) 07:59, January 1, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * Your edits to the usage and description content of the Berrigan were reverted because instead of being focussed specifically on the Berrigan, they were instead presenting a side-by-side comparison of two weapons, to the point where the Badaboom effectively had an equal share of the write up on an article that is supposed to be about the Berrigan. A better approach for the Berrigan article would be to just focus on how the Berrigan is used, and then in the notes maybe mention its shortcomings against the Badaboom.


 * I should elaborate on the former point. An article should ideally stand on its own. If you shape the information to be contingent on information presented in another article then you force the reader to review the other article to understand the comparison. We've had quite a few passages like that here in the past: "Item A is just like Item B, but has a larger magazine and inferior stability." The net result is that comparison bloat has had a negative effect on page content, so that's why it gets stripped out from time to time. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Question about use of Talk pages
Despite the fact that I left my Berrigan message only a few hours ago, something mostly-unrelated occurred to me.

On the Skyrim wikia, many users use the Talk page of an article as a place to post more "subjective" content, such as secrets, shortcuts, strategies, observations, etc. I was thinking about your (extensive) reversion of my edits to the Absolute Zero, and it occurred to me that in the style of the Skyrim wikia, that commentary--which I feel was legitimate and potentially helpful analysis--might be more at home in the Talk page than on the actual article. To be clear, I understand and in retrospect could even agree with your removal--after all, it was opinion-based, even if I reached my opinion through careful analysis.

Anyway, I wanted to ask if such use of the Talk page is acceptable in this wiki, and if not, if there's any place where it would be accepted. I personally enjoy reading such commentary presented by others, and I'd at least like to think that one or two people somewhere might like to read mine.

Thanks once again,

Amorra (talk)Amorra


 * Yeah, the Talk pages are ideal for commentary. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:44, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Spelling
I didn't perform my recent edit to the Kaneda's Laser page to alter spelling--I did it because there was a run-on sentence that was, frankly, quite cringe-worthy. I understand that you seem to be hopelessly obsessed with your preferred version of spelling, but I actually improved the article before you decided to revert it so that you could support your own culture. Everything isn't about you and your version of english, WarBlade..

EDIT: I will, however, happily do my best to try not to alter the spelling when I DO make valid edits. THis time, it was because I deleted the whole run-on and re-wrote the sentence from scratch, so of COURSE I spelled the words the way I learned them.

Sincerely,

Amorra (talk) 02:28, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * I couldn't resist the drama, so I reviewed WarBlade's controversial reversion. Here's your "audience": lighten up, Francis. Your edit was nugatory. Nothing of value was lost in its reversion. Dämmerung 04:57, January 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, well in that case my bad. I would have thought that a generally well-kept and informative wiki wouldn't want to have cringeworthy run-on sentences all over the place, But I could certainly be mistaken. The previous instance where an edit I made was reverted because of spelling triggers was on the Cry Baby, where I added what I would consider valid and relevant information (Mystic prefix only costs 1 ammo per shot despite have 2 additional listed projectiles). While I'm sure you'll respond that the game/weapon are not exactly relevant to 98% of players, and thus my edit was "nugatory" (congratz on your college vocabulary), you can't deny that I made a valid and contributive edit, which was reverted solely because somebody doesn't like the way I was taught to spell words.


 * I'll definitely admit that my initial paragraph above is a bit hotheaded abd contains some needlessly infantile parts, but surely you can understand that I was taken aback to see a page reverted to having run-on sentences because it annoyed a moderator that I spelled a word differently than he would.
 * Amorra (talk) 06:07, January 3, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * What you have described as a "bit hotheaded" is more like intentionally antagonistic. Please note that this wiki is a collaborative effort from many contributors of many nationalities. As such, we ask that you both be tolerant of various spelling standards, and that you don't try to troll anyone on talk pages.


 * You'll also find that wikis have a habit of attracting re-edits of your updates. Other contributors can, and will, change things mercilessly, sometimes even reverting updates entirely in cases where they veer away from the established standard or breach a policy. This is not something to get worked up over - it is simply a result of how articles get updated here. You will have to accept that when you publish content on the . -- WarBlade (talk) 09:26, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Categories for Images
Quite a few images I've uploaded over the last few weeks, IMO, fall into the "Screenshots" category. They are not, per se, "Images of Areas" or such so "Screenshots" seemed to me as appropriate category. While adding some images, I've noticed that all images tagged as "Scrrenshots" are being re-directed to "Candidates for deletion" category. This is, to say the least, confusing as "Scrrenshots" is a valid category according to [http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Image_Categories Help for Image Categories. ]What's more, some of the images I've uploaded have been deleted because "invalid category" was provided?


 * "Screenshots" is not a category, and hasn't been since about 2010 when it was deprecated. Anything miscategorised as such may be deleted at any time. The most immediate instructions for any image upload are on the upload page itself which states "Category:Images" - following that link will take you to a listing of appropriate categories. -- WarBlade (talk) 17:23, February 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * "Screenshots" was listed as a valid category in the relevant help file untill yesterday when, according to the page history,  it was removed by you. Therefore all the files with that tag uploaded before 17:19, February 6, 2017 should NOT be deleted. I, just like any other new contributor don't - and should not - know about some internal or informal decisions or changes in the rules; that's why we have the official Help files which should be kept up-to-date. Which would be, IMO, much less work than deleting all those "miscategorised" uploads.
 * What's more, on  July 7, 2016 in your reply to QueenFrau'squestion you said that "Screenshot" is the ideal choice for screenies you have taken yourself." So why is that any different for screenshots taken by myself or any other contributor? I'll remind you, if I may, that was on July 7, 2016.
 * Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 22:12, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


 * Screenshots was inadvertently listed. The admin who added that to the help file was apparently reading off what other people had done and made a reactionary move, which in this case wound up being a mistake based on a couple of years of make-it-up-as-you-go problems (courtesy of the randomness of editors here).
 * The "Help" files are not necessarily up to date - there are still a couple of glaring problem ones. The one statement you were referring to was an oversight that has been there for years, and is now corrected.
 * The "screenshot" template that I was referring to in the discussion with QueenFrau is irrelevant to the categories used, which should be a subcategory of "Images", or just "Images" if a more appropriate subcategory is not available. -- WarBlade (talk) 18:55, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for making a fuss
A couple months ago. I sincerely hope that there are no hard feelings. It was a very stressful time in my life, and I was trying to contribute to something greater than just myself, even if it's merely a video game wiki. So, I became needlessly aggressive and defensive when some of my edits were revised and/or reversed. Sorry about that.

Amorra (talk) 05:03, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * No probs. :) -- WarBlade (talk) 05:06, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Advice/review of Load 'n' Splode
Hi Warblade,

Recently, I was trying to make a Claptrap build, and I noticed that many of the pages for his skills are in great disrepair--in this case, Load 'n' Splode specifically. It was missing the skill rank table and some info, so what I did is I copied the source code from a similar skill page (Zero's Headsh0t, which also has only a single stat bonus to list) and altered the relevant values to fit the new page. Since this (combined with the notes I added to the page) is the first major page overhaul I've done, I would be interested in having you look at it and, if there's anything I missed, point it out to me. In particular, despite replacing what I understood to be the page link part (of the source code) with the "Loose Cannon" class mod name, it did not succesfully link to a page, even though a page DOES exist for that COM. I do not understand why or what the issue is, and I'm interested to know. (provided you have time and are so inclined)

As a side note, I found myself (ironically) removing an assertion about how "best" to use a gun when clarifying and adding information to weapon descriptions last night, something I recall you having to do to my edits in the past.

EDIT: I also don't know how to make and link new pages, which is relevant because some Pre-Sequel skills and class mods do not have pages. Although I'm aware that tutorials exist, I'm apprehensive about trying to make them myself, as I'm quite worried I'd get confussed or mess it up. Thus, I'm not sure what to do about those.

In any case, happy editing! Amorra (talk) 23:47, February 13, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * The Loose Cannon link wasn't working because it was targetted to Loose Cannon (class mod) instead of just Loose Cannon. The "(class mod)" part would only be necessary if there was something else in the game also known as "Loose Cannon" in which case each Loose Cannon would have text in parenthesis to distinguish them from each other.


 * Re: side note, good call, but perhaps take a look at the text you wrote for the Company Man shotgun and ask yourself how relevant the Pullpup and Viral Marketer commentary is for an article specifically about the Company Man. ;)


 * About new pages and links, that will come with time. The tutorials should help a bit, but otherwise following a red link will take you to a blank page ready to edit. In such cases, it is best to check that the new page is being developed under the correct name - your red link to Loose Cannon (class mod) is a suitable case example of what not to follow to create a new page. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:17, February 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * Looking at it again, I do see what you mean about the Company Man; my rational was that the "meta" position of the weapon would be reasonable information, but the "meta" is inherently subjective, so the more I think about the more I see where you're coming from. Thanks for pointing that out! (also thanks for the explanation of the link :P ) -- Amorra (talk) 01:21, February 15, 2017 (UTC)Amorra

Lyuda page title issue (??)
For some reason, the Lyuda's page is titled "Lyudmila" and the intro blurb claims that it is "sometimes referred to as the Lyuda." I'm aware that the real-world sniper referenced by the gun was named Lyudmila, but I can assure you that the weapon itself, in the video game Borderlands 2, is called the LYUDA. It is not "referred to as" the 'Lyuda,' it IS the 'Lyuda," both on every weapon card you will ever see and in the very code of the game. I would also question the logic having the caption for the image on the ENGLISH wiki page be a russian phrase, but that's somewhat inconsequential.

I considered changing the title myself, but since that's a rather significan change, I wanted to ask you abut it first you and/or other mods about it first. If there is some legitimate reason for having the page titled Lyudmila despite that not being the name of the gun, I'm open to hearing it, but it seemed rather silly to me.

Amorra (talk) 01:00, February 27, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * There's a section called "Title?" on Talk:Lyudmila. Feel free to unravel the truth. -- WarBlade (talk) 08:58, February 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * Believe it or not, I actually DID look at the talk page, but after reading about half of the entire thing I got distracted >-> I've now read the whole thing.


 * So then on the xbox 1 SPECIFICALLY it's now the Lyudmila, while (as far as I can tell) even on xbox 360 it is still the White Death? This is some nonsense if I ever heard it xD
 * Since it appears that most players will see it as "Lyuda," and more importantly it is referred to in common parlance as simply "the Lyuda," I would still petition to have it changed; your response is vague enough that I remain unwilling to do it straightforth Amorra (talk) 11:58, February 28, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * Yeah, it's awkward. I recall seeing the change from Lyuda to Lyudmila and thinking at the time it looked like a minefield of disputed information. I let it slide seeing as it looked like a legitimate name update, but the usual wiki convention of using a more common name has me leaning back to Lyuda. I suggest discussing the matter with other gun article editors though. Someone might have more information that could be worth weighing in. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:19, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * SirFoggy seems to have decent evidence that at least 50% of the platforms BL2 is available on now display as "Lyudmila," and he also pointed out that the games files list the material and unique barrel as "Lyudmila." Mostly on the grounds of that last part, I've begrudgingly accepted the Lyudmila title. As someone who reads/watches a lot of Bl2 forums/videos, it grates on my brain (partial hyperbole), but SirFoggy has presented the facts (in the Lyud..mila... talk page), and they suppport the current title. Amorra (talk) 19:48, March 2, 2017 (UTC)Amorra


 * Okay, cool. -- WarBlade (talk) 03:52, March 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I just want to add more here: when I was making edits in russian page for this weapon, around June 30 (which means game has latest patch), I farmed it to confirm the title and I've got "Lyuda" (I'm playing English version, PC), but it seems like in Russian version (which is "separate" game, with regional limitation in co-op play and edited-for-translation textures) the title wasn't properly updated and now instead of Russian "Maxim" it shows "Lyuda" too (screenshot, February 16).
 * MtMB (talk) 21:44, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Borderlands 2 mission flow reversion
Hi warblade. Wanted to ask why my edits on mission flow for borderlands 2 was reverted? Please advise.


 * Too many errors. I started trying to fix the mess you made, then gave up and rolled it back. If you would like to contribute to the please keep to formal English, and try to be consistent with the existing content on this wiki, thanks. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:40, March 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Attempt to respond #2: Sand box editing is bad form. Please stop immediately, especially with user talk pages. -- WarBlade (talk) 04:40, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Start of Page Header Test
Hey WarBlade!

The next stage of our Wiki Modernization project is to test the page and article headers, which you can read about here. We'll begin running this test on Thursday this week.

Like we said in the blog, here's what we'll be looking at in the test:

How do readers interact with the new headers? We'll look at the number of clicks on header links, as well as how many people use the new headers vs the old ones. What do editors think of the new design? We'll gather feedback and interaction data from you, ask follow-up questions, and do our best to understand your needs. We want a design that works well for everyone.

We want help from you and your community in figuring out if we got it right or what potential areas for improvement might be. Feel free to comment on both the reader and editor side of the header designs. We especially want to know what you think as an editor. Please leave any feedback for me here on this thread.

You are also welcome to share this information with your community, that way they are aware of the changes that have been made. Springteufel (talk) 20:27, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Problem creating pages
If I try to create a page for Suicide Psycho, notice "page Suicide Psycho already exists" pops out. And indeed, if I place mouse pointer on the "Suicide Psycho" part in the notice window it shows http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide_Psycho link.

If followed, that link leads to http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Psycho_(Borderlands_2) but w/o redirecting notice.

Looking at Psycho (borderlands 2) page code this should not be happening. Entries for Suicide Psycho, Slagged Psycho and Gravedigger look exactly the same. Why was I able to create pages for Chubby Midget, Gravedigger, Loot Midget Psycho and Slagged Psycho but not for Badass Psycho, Burning Psycho or Suicide Psycho? The only way to create them is to add (Borderlands 2) to the page name which should not be the case.

What or where is the problem here? SirFoggy (talk) 04:08, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Staff are currently using the as a test case for the placement and display of advertising, page headers, and more. You'll notice that the title is currently preceded by a collection of categories, and that has caused the omission of the the redirect notice. You can bypass this problem by adding ?redirect=no in the address bar of your browser to the end of the URL, eg.

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Suicide_Psycho?redirect=no


 * Sorry for the confusion. On the bright side this provides some valuable feedback for the test. Thanks for that. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:07, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply but I don't think this has anything to do with the changes being tested. Looking at edit history of the pages in question, it is easy to see why. For the Suicide Psycho page, back in April 2013, Razldazlchick replaced the existing content of the page with this line:


 * REDIRECT Psycho


 * In 2010, D1G did the same for Burning Psycho and Badass Psycho pages. And, I guess, those are not the only pages with hard-coded redirects.


 * As for the page title being preceded by a collection of categories ... IMO, that "feature" is entirely redundant as there's category template already present at bottom of the pages.


 * I generally do like the new page top header (or whatever the name for it might be) but there's one thing that but there's one minor thing I find ... lacking. If I go to page history, "Back to page" link at the top of the page is no longer there. Clicking "Back" in my browser is easy enough having "Back to page" link is more intuitive and user friendly and doesn't "cost" all that much.
 * Oh, and .. could you please delete Burning Psycho (Borderlands 2) and Badass Psycho (Borderlands 2) pages as they are  now redundant? Thanks.
 * SirFoggy (talk) 15:24, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Reverted Edits
Dear Warblade,

I modified the Fabled Tortoise page a few days back; my changes were reverted. Could you tell the reason? Is it about the content or about the style?

Thanks

SuNo12113 (talk) 08:12, April 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * You may have noticed that there's a "clean up" tag at the top of the page citing the bloated Notes section as the reason for the tag. This means it is preferable to actually trim, or otherwise edit the content into a a more suitable article format, than to increase the problem in the problem area itself. Aside from that, reduced jump distances are fairly implicit where movement speed is altered, and the part about jump height where it "seems" to be affected is not really the direction that an authoritative information source should be taking. We advocate certainties rather than speculation. -- WarBlade (talk) 09:42, April 25, 2017 (UTC)


 * Insertion of facts is not exactly problematic, however, the new edit was rather lengthy. Just the fact that movement speed reduces jump distance is statement enough.


 * Note to Warblade: implicit information is not really the direction as well, imho


 * I have done some clean up of the page and incorporated a more concise edit.


 * P.S. I am unsure of the note "The shield's reduced health characteristic is removed from its item card, although the health penalty is nevertheless applied."


 * does that mean while equipped? I haven't played in a while. 00:58, May 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, the "insertion of facts" is very problematic in this case because most of the this excuse for an article is just a bloated Notes section. Notes are nothing but a collection of one-sentence additions to body content, and the page has no body. The tag at the top is there for a reason guys. Fix it, or leave it, but if this tweaking of the notes continues I'll just delete the entire page. -- WarBlade (talk) 14:01, May 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ahh, I just jumped on to maintain the Skins pages (as promised). I didn't have time to re-work the entire page. I figured it would help to be more precise on what EDIT: was there.


 * As far as deletion goes, that is up to you... you can always re-create the page when you get time. I, personally, would just delete the bits that don't fit the format for a reference in the re-creation process. There are a heap of facts on the page, it would be counter productive to destroy them entirely, imho (excuses aside). 09:52, May 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Which is exactly the dilemma. -- WarBlade (talk) 10:00, May 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * If I get time, I will concentrate on that page. Any more that bad? You can list them here or on my talk. 20:22, May 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * First list of many! -- WarBlade (talk) 03:20, May 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * LoL, thanks... I mean sans-format. If you run into some, put them on my talk and I will check them out. Also, could you list the best formatted page (as a goal), when you run across a good example.


 * Either way, it will be a while. If you throw some on my talk (when you encounter some), it will help take research time out.


 * I recently received "Borderlands ruined my life" (or some such name) package that gave me all BL franchise games that I didn't own already for like $6. I plan to start again on BL1 for fun. P.S. Tell Tale is not really that good. 13:54, May 6, 2017 (UTC)

Confusion of deletion
Dear Warblade,

Hello. I am new to the editing and/or creation of articles. I have copied the notice to the article I tried to create. I don't understand at all why it was deleted. I understand it was a stub, I don't know how to apply notices like that. I ask that you state your intentions on deleting the page "The Change Of The Modes".

hopeful misunderstandings,

DoomBox12 (talk) 22:45, May 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * It was deleted primarily because it wasn't an article. It was also an empty placeholder, had a non-viable name, and as a concept resembled the kind of thing categories are used for. We already document the effects of game mode changes on relevant articles, so there is little to be gained from duplicating that information on another page. -- WarBlade (talk) 01:29, May 5, 2017 (UTC)

Message understood. DoomBox12 (talk) 01:43, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

BL1 Location (areas) and Chest Location pages
There are two things I would like to discuss here: articles for the areas (locations) and Chest Location articles.

On the location page, Infobox image should either be of a panoramic view characteristic for the area or the area intro pic. Area intro pictures might not be as flashy but they would set a standard while avoiding potential my screenshot of the area is better kind of situation. Frost Bottom  page is an example of what I have in mind. At the same time, map of a location should be as clean as possible (not a simple screenshot), containing all the relevant info such as transition points, named locations (if any), location and type of weapon chests, etc. If done this way, just one map file can be used in multiple instances such as location article page, chests location page, and so on. Most of the existing map files are simple screenshots or contain incomplete and sometimes outdated or incorrect info.

Chest Location articles are another issue. There are simply way too many "maps" and slide-shows just to explain how to get to a chest. I would be willing to go through all the pages editing and correcting the info where needed or appropriate. This, unfortunately, would create quite a lot of "collateral damage" in terms of redundant images or those that are not really needed. Uploading a new and up-to-date version of a map replaces the original one in the article but leaves it as an orphaned file.

If we do go down this route, I could provide you with a complete list of files to be removed.

Oh, and all this is about Borderlands 1 although I see the same "problem" with BL2, BLTPS and the DLCs.

On a related note, I've uploaded some maps and made some mistakes while doing so. Could you please remove all but the most recent versions of http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/File:Old_Haven_Complete.jpg and http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/File:Trash_Coast_Complete.jpg ?

Thought, ideas, rants and cold beer welcome :-)

SirFoggy (talk) 12:06, July 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * I actually like the unedited maps personally, although annotated maps also have some value. As for the chest locations, the zeal with which contributors continued the practice of implementing those after Borderlands illustrates just how much effort people were prepared to put into them - not a lot. I largely ignored them myself. Do you think it would be practical to integrate the information into location articles? -- WarBlade (talk) 12:19, July 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * Some location articles are already fairly large, almost to the point of being too large; Arid Badlands is a good example. Integrating chests info into already hefty page would make it overbloated if not unreadable. About the only way I see this being done, but not over-done, would be inclusion of Weapon Chests section with minimal textual info (something like "there's a total of X weapon chests in this location, Z of which are White chests, and Y Red Chests") complemented with a video guide.
 * SirFoggy (talk) 12:57, July 18, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think there will be enough detailed maps with the location of the chests in location articles. This maps can perfectly replace empty maps in locations articles. Detailed information and all media are more reasonable to render in the sub-article with the posting of link on it in the main article. Reason: it is unlikely that most players will play Borderlands 2/ Pre-Sequel only for the sake of finding chests. -- sega010 (talk) __:__ July 18, 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect categories added
I'va managed to add incorrect categories while adding categories to some of the Skill Tree pages, no idea how but I did. Could you please change those from Items in Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel to Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel?

Thanks. SirFoggy (talk) 22:39, August 1, 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm looking for a needle in a haystack it seems. You've done numerous edits to skill pages, and I haven't spotted which page is the one needing attention. -- WarBlade (talk) 20:35, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Contractual Aristocracy
 * ooops! Sorry about that. I see you took care of some of them already, here's the list of the reamining ones:
 * The Huntress
 * Cold Money
 * Thanks.  SirFoggy (talk) 23:10, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Discussions + Other Things
Hi WarBlade,

It's been awhile since I last reached to you. I noticed you've been the most active bcrat these days and I'm unsure if you're still in contact with Dr. Clayton, among others.

I wanted to share a proposal/idea with you in regards to the Discussions feature.

In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Discussions.

If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. There is NO plans for discussions to replace Forum:Index.

Feel free to have an open discussion with your community about this, and I'm available for any questions you might have.

Also, since this community already has a FANDOM app, enabling discussions on this community will also add a huge feature to the app itself. Users on their phones can start threads, make posts, and discuss topics with desktop users and vice versa.

One last thing -- the game guides ad in the right rail is a bit dated. Would you mind if i updated it with the Borderlands app? I would use this imageand then incorporate apple/google download links below it.

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns!

Knakveey (talk) 19:09, December 14, 2017 (UTC)


 * "I noticed you've been the most active bcrat these days and I'm unsure if you're still in contact with Dr. Clayton, among others."


 * Yes, no problem contacting him. I'll notify him of your message.


 * Regarding Discussions, as a councilor I became aware of it early on although as someone who has had limited interest in chat and a dislike of article comments, I haven't really felt a strong pull to jump on board with yet another community communication feature. I've seen various features either discussed or pushed live, and to me article talk pages still provide the optimal communication platform for wiki content discussion.


 * I'm not against Discussions at all. I'm more inclined to just shrug and go along with what the community decides.


 * As for the right rail thing, I have no objection. --WarBlade (talk) 07:46, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

i can see how youd have shaky thoughts about contactin' olde doc fo'estor. clay hes an ornery cuss. but talking straight just for the moment here you, being staff, do not need the acquiescence of the wiki (or its administrators) to change anything. we all (those of us not living sublitho) can see the push for mobile. adding a discussions namspace to the wiki is something i dont see anyone having grounds to object to. the forums have been pushed into the shadows so long ago i am sure most users could not find forum namespace w/ a link embedded. it would seem only fair to replace it w/ (anything) discussions namespace (even though i disagree with your distinction that communities, users and fanatics are different things). and by all means change what you will in the game guides. that was not a borderlands wiki creation.

TL/DR + 1. sure 2. go mobile! 3. go go gadget app! 4. it aint ours    17:07, December 15, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello again!


 * I thank both of you for taking the time to write back to me to share your thoughts. I made some changes to the right rail and enabled discussions on the site/app. I wanted to share this link with you because it has some helpful tools if you want to customize/modify/moderate the discussions section.


 * You can now find the discussions page via the local nav/right rail, or simply http://borderlands.wikia.com/d/


 * Hope you're enjoying the holidays,


 * Knakveey (talk) 23:34, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Skag Riders, Skag Rustlers, etc
Was going through these pages, and after double-checking the in-game names, confirmed that all these titles (names) are incorrect. Skag Rustler is type of a skag, not of a midget riding it; Midget Rustler is correct name for the rider. Skag Rider, and alike, should be in the Skag group, not the Midgets.

Most players will find this of little importance but to have the facts straight it should be corrected. Or, leave it as it is and make clear what is what in the description? --SirFoggy (talk) 18:30, December 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think it's fine as is. Names like "rider" would suggest the midget riding the skag, so if we try to move all those into the skag group we'll be setting up a big point of confusion and a magnet for edit wars. -- WarBlade (talk) 23:46, December 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thought so. When I find some time, I'll try and figure out a small note about the riders having their own name. --SirFoggy (talk) 18:51, December 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree with WarBlade, 'Skag Rider' is the one who goes on a skag, and not vice versa. But I think it's necessary to make Note in the articles for the hotheads who consider it their duty to fill the articles with data from the game files. For example: "A Skag Rider in the game files is written as an enemy of the skag type, though...". -- Sega010 (talk) 21:20, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Edit war on 'Mad Moxxi'
Please thump heads, possibly including mine. Sorry for the holiday non-festivity. Dämmerung 19:59, December 31, 2017 (UTC)