Talk:Draco

I found something that is extremely similar to a Draco, but it has discrepencies that make me wonder. Level 25: 135 dmg, 87.2 acc, x3 incendiary, 4.3 rof, 110 mag size, x2.1 zoom scope. Labeled as an S&S HLK390.3 Scoped Machine Gun. 68.17.195.113 21:19, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * _nothing_ else but a revolution has a magazine that size. 23:34, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's gotta be the smallest mag I have ever seen on a Draco...perhaps a item card would be goo 17:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's gotta be the smallest mag I have ever seen on a Draco...perhaps a item card would be goo 17:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about something with this gun. I've got a TCH29 Glorious Machine Gun that fits the discription of the Draco but the strange thing about it is, it's a green name and not purple, can anyone verify if this is an actual Draco or am I just lucky to find a gun Similar to it. 158 Damage 87.2 Accuracy 7.6 Fire Rate 120 Clip X4 Fire.Sharakonta 03:48, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * x4 Incendiary + ~120 clip = Draco. --Nagamarky 07:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I found a super duper machine gun with 4x fire, high damage, high acc, and pretty high fire rate. I found it in the armory, and only picked it up at first because it was over 4 million in value. How could I confirm that it was one of these imfamous guns? ZoeyMithra 15:11, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * x4 Incendiary + ~120 clip = Draco. --Nagamarky 07:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Draco is only MG with x4 fire, and should have close to 100+ ammo mag, but the x4 fire is a give away that its a draco, lucky yu :) TreeJs 16:17, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe add save-editor data that you used to produce it? So it can be replicated. Nagamarky 09:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * here. --Raisins 17:06, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

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 * Where Should i paste this? save file? Casperk WAS HERE 19:44, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been using WillowTree. If you're on a console it's still possible but more involved. Try and good luck. --Raisins 20:36, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I made it i really think i made it! Casperk WAS HERE... AGAIN 19:44, December 10, 2009 (UTC) PS. what do the last 3 files mean the 0 1 0?
 * Remaining ammo count, Quality [0-5], Slot Equipped [0-4] --Raisins 21:34, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * ya found uot and made ULTRA strong gun only UPing quality Look at bottom its my gun

Dissenting Argument
i, for one, disagree that a hacked example of anything should be used in this wiki. it sets a bad example and is it not possible that this weapon and the driver are being held in reserve by gearbox to be included/enabled with forthcoming DLC? @nagamarkey - the two editors i have used are supported by online documentation.


 * Agreed.... hacked/modded versions of weapons do not reflect what the in-game default code is restricted to generate, and aren't good examples. --HybridDragoness 09:25, December 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thirded. If anything, create a category for "Hacked & Modified Weapons" so that it is easily seen in the article for the weapon. I'm not against people hacking/modding weapons per se, I just don't want them polluting the confirmed, legitimate information... -Effedup
 * The files for this gun exist, it just doesn't spawn in game. We also have pages for grenade launchers, a similar situation. Also the Draco is more likely just a bug rather than removed content. Why should just the S&S orange Combat Rifle be missing?
 * This is as opposed to hacked nonsense guns, agreed they don't deserve pages. And anyway, they also won't have their own titles like Draco. Perhaps what's needed is a warning template banner. "This article contains..." --Raisins 17:06, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Either way...a banner is fine too, just something that clearly spells out that it's not found in normal gameplay. I use the Final Fantasy XI wiki, and they use a banner of that type for items found in the .dat files. The banner can be found on this page.


 * As far as the grenade launchers, they should have the same banner. I didn't know they had their own pages already. Anything that doesn't spawn in normal gameplay, whether is has to be coaxed out via the dat files, or created from scratch, should have a banner like that.- Effedup aka Angry Deuce!! 17:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually found a blue S&S Glorious Machine Gun (Machine Gun being the title) with a x3 fire designation. I thought this curious, so I went to WillowTree, and saw that the accessory was the S&S Draco Incendiary. The game spawns the Draco, but it won't name the weapon properly. When I added the Draco title, it pushed the fire damage up to a ludicrous amount (I was able to deal 500 damage per shot, not including when the fire kicks in).--Allane 16:42, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * This massacre is probably a draco then AR29.3 Glorious Massacre.jpg --Raisins 09:26, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

The same happened to me, except it was green. Maybe it can be found in-game, but is bugged so the weapons are not named properly... --HybridDragoness 06:09, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

examples
Not much point in making a table or collecting arbitrary save edited examples.

Besides on the Weapons page its Pic says LVL 13 or something that much DMG at that lvl would be over kill i think it was tooken out for the sake of keeping it real I know there are other levels like LVL 40 on this page but thats playthrough 2 i think
 * It just has very high quality parts, barrel/body/material. So that's basically just the kind of damage a non-elemental purple machine gun at level 13 is going to have. It's S&S too, so a Torgue or Atlas would be stronger still. --Raisins 09:26, December 30, 2009 (UTC)



Well, heres a lvl 48 glorious machine gun,looking at it in the save editor its a draco,the titles just machine gun instead of SandS draco,the strange thing is

that changing the MG title,it had no effect on the edited weapon whatsoever,it still preformed the same.-- M.j.caboose 06:55, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

It seems I found one too, picked up after defeating Crawmerax. A HVY590 Glorious Massacre, level 57, but obviously not called Draco.

I read the tutorial in order to solve the glitch but didn't understand everything. I have WillowTree and the code table, what do I do with that ?

Maybe I'm a dumb but I won't help me to have a real Draco in my inventory. Alsaco Powa 17:37, April 2nd, 2010 (UTC)



Examples
Ex: (picture up soon) Level Requirement: 52, Glorious Massacre(S&S Munitions); 126 damage, 95.2 accuracy, 8.6 fire rate, 104 clip, X4 Incendiary, Highly effective vs Flesh, Chance to light enemies on fire, +80 Magazine Size, 68% Recoil Reduction, 1.8x Weapon Zoom --(Taken from main article, posted by UlteUltimate 06:51, March 19, 2010 (UTC))

I think I've found a variant of the Draco with a smaller magazine size - 93 instead 104, 120 or 124. Alsaco Powa



Yes its a glorious one also naga, just like the picture up there TreeJs 00:14, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, my question was whether the "Dracos" always spawn with Glorious prefixes. --Nagamarky 13:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing that the Draco accessory is a very high quality part and the Glorious prefix is a quality-based prefix, one might assume it usually if not always comes with the Glorious prefix. Spaphrenchie 03:28, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the actual topic page show an example of the Draco with its flavor text and title to make it as close to how it should be along with what is actually found? SpootKnight 07:40, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * They look the same, Ndraco1.pngNmassacre1.png but the weapon box template might only support one picture. --Nagamarky 13:42, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about using the picture using the Draco title then with a sidenote saying if the bug wasn't present that it would look like this in addition to having an Orange-colored name?
 * What about using the picture using the Draco title then with a sidenote saying if the bug wasn't present that it would look like this in addition to having an Orange-colored name?

Can't Get?
I took out the template for not being available in-game. A possible misleader so that's why.That's Mr. Shank! 22:50, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

draco
call meɜ stupid orɜ not after reading about all the post i still foot have a clue... can you get the draco even if you don't have the secret armory of general knoxx?
 * Yes... kind of: you cannot get "the Draco" as in a properly-named version, but support machineguns are able to spawn with the Draco accessory - indications of this would be x4 incendiary and a 120-round magazine --Nagamarky 05:13, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

draco
so playthrough 2 i beat ok... which boss or superbad npc would drop it more often and would farming in new haven with scav mod that gives 2 team find rare items which would give sooner

None.

This weapon is glitched. DRACO never appears as a name.

A machine gun w/ 124~ magazine and 4X Fire = Draco.

GnarlyToaster 21:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Just got me a Draco!
I just picked up this AR590.3 Glorious Massacre doing the Armory glitch, and I think this baby will be getting some serious use: 297 damage; 93.9% accuracy; 8.8 RoF; x4 incendiary; 124 magazine; a decent scope (not listed - I think it's something like x1.8); +100 magazine size; +77% recoil reduction; +70% accuracy. Even equipped it still lists as $9999999. Woohoo! Outbackyak 14:46, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please Clear Up
Are you saying that a Draco must have a 124 clip and a x4 fire to be a draco, or that a gun that has a 124 clip and x4 fire has to be a draco? I ask because GearCalc lets me use the draco accesory on guns with clips ranging from high 50's to 124, and x3 fire.Eatingleg4peanut 13:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, we are saying that there are no specific numbers, but the stats that appear the most at high levels are 297-324/x4. Just use some discretion. (As far as I've tried, which is the entirely of half a minute, the only possible magazine sizes are 60/62, 90/93, 120/124; this being across mag2,4,5 and materials 1&2 / 3) --Nagamarky 13:47, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

So is there no definate way to identify the Draco? Also I keep trying to move that picture back up to the guy who posted its post but I can't get it to the right spot, sorry.Eatingleg4peanut 14:54, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's quite definite at the level cap: x3-4, 93/124 mag - these are the only variants I've seen. But considering I've never run a starter character in a long time, I'm not too sure about how easy it is to spot one with the lower magazines.
 * tl;dr Play long enough and you'll know one when you see one. --Nagamarky 15:01, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify - the Draco definitely can spawn with x3 Incendiary
I've got two Dracos (dropped by Craw) which are definitely Dracos in that they have the Draco Accessory and 120 clip mags, but they are only X3 Incendiary, not x4; you can see the Draco accessory hanging below the barrels in the photos below. I checked them out on GearCalc and was able to recreate both of them exactly, and were called "legit". gd_itemgrades.Weapons.ItemGrade_Weapon_SupportMachineGun gd_manufacturers.Manufacturers.SandSMunitions gd_weap_support_machinegun.A_Weapon.WeaponType_support_machinegun gd_weap_combat_rifle.Body.body2 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Grip.grip3 gd_weap_support_machinegun.mag.mag5 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Barrel.barrel5 gd_weap_support_machinegun.Sight.sight1 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Stock.stock2 None gd_weap_support_machinegun.acc.acc4_SandS_Draco_Incendiary gd_weap_shared_materialparts.ManufacturerMaterials.Material_SandS_3 gd_weap_support_machinegun.Prefix.Prefix_Kick1_Glorious gd_weap_support_machinegun.Title.Title_Accuracy1_Massacre 1 5 0 61 gd_itemgrades.Weapons.ItemGrade_Weapon_SupportMachineGun gd_manufacturers.Manufacturers.SandSMunitions gd_weap_support_machinegun.A_Weapon.WeaponType_support_machinegun gd_weap_combat_rifle.Body.body5 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Grip.grip3 gd_weap_support_machinegun.mag.mag5 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Barrel.barrel2 gd_weap_support_machinegun.Sight.sight1 gd_weap_combat_rifle.Stock.stock4 None gd_weap_support_machinegun.acc.acc4_SandS_Draco_Incendiary gd_weap_shared_materialparts.ManufacturerMaterials.Material_SandS_1 gd_weap_support_machinegun.Prefix.Prefix_Kick1_Glorious gd_weap_support_machinegun.Title.Title__MachineGun 1 5 0 60 So for anybody who is confused by the discussion above (I know I was) - if it has the Draco accessory, in my opinion it's a Draco, so long as it has a 120 or 124 clip, regardless of whether it's x3 or x4. Incidentally, GearCalc doesn't have a problem with the Draco accessory spawning with smaller clip sizes, but these probably wouldn't have got the Draco title (if the game allowed that title to spawn, which it doesn't). Outbackyak 17:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

sorry about the huge photo but Is this a draco i think it is i got it from my fth craw run (of the day):( ok idk if the picture is up but here is the stats damage 279 accuracy 87.2 fire rate 8.8 text highly effective versus flesh +100 magizine +58% recoil reduction 2.1 weapon zoom 124 round clip X4 fire element price 3693846$ manufactur SaSDisloyalsafe 19:51, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Purple rarity only?
I just found a weapon that appears to be a Draco but is blue rarity rather than purple. It has these stats...

318 damage...87.2 accuracy...8.8 RoF...120 clip...x3 fire.

It's level 68 and worth $7,966,522.

So, what I'm wondering is blue rarity possible on a Draco? I've never seen that happen before and I've found many Dracos. Stickboy2323 03:39, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Draco lv. 69
So with the new patch and all, I was screwing up some Crawmaxes and came across a (Purple) Glorious Massacre with 124 mag and x4 fire, 91.2 accuracy, 333 initial attack, and an 8.8 ROF. its worth $9,999,999. is it a legit Draco? Jasprthehobo 02:55, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. 10:18, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty good Draco, but practically useless for my Siren
Of the many I found on Crawmerax, this was pretty good. However, for a Siren it's pretty useless, since you have the Hellfire, which burns stuff much better. Even a Volcano is better for me with a Specter COM.T0yz 11:36, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. I really tought that this is a good choice for my soldier because i primarily use Combat Rilfes with him but the fire effect is so disappointing. Hellfire is one of the primary weapons for all of my characters. But since they added the Serpens there is a good balance again. Cause a good corrosive SMG is still missing. (Pestilent Bitch is a good choice for my Siren but still not as good as the effect of a Serpens.) ADreamer 14:49, January 3, 2011 (UTC)