User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/archive/talk 9

U&D edits
I'm just reacting to your comment here.

I first created the U&D edits, depending on the content of the paragraph, as "Usage", "Description" or "Usage & Description". It was pretty much part of my plan to add "Content" along with inserting mechanics (remember how I was bitching about the pages being "empty" back in my mechanics forum proposal?) The first search edits dates all the way back to my first destroyer Edit, the first page to receive a happy-Mechanics section: here.

Since the Start, User:NOhara24 (along with others) have been very active at proof-reading, adding their comments etc. to the section, all the way to the point of doing some themselves, and asking me to do the mechs sections. Here, NoHara24 telling me to do the Ogre. Since he has been of tremendous help, and ended up explicitly solicitation his help: User_talk:NOhara24.

The rest is you noticing the effort at: Forum:New_projects...

Just wanted to clear things up. While I don't really care if I get credit for it, its always frustrating to see other people being credited.

PS: Who's going to be user of the month? I won't lie to you, I want it bad: for my efforts on mechanics, U&D, Rarity re-categorization, and *cough* general awesomeness *cough*. 07:12, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * i must admit to flippancy re: U&D. i observed NOhara making the most (opinionated) edits/reverts/rewords to the section formerly known as "header" or notes and blamed him for its existence without much thought.  werent you UotM in Feb?  Most importantly are you finito con mechanics?   07:32, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, NOhara's edits are usually very well prosed, and has also put a lot of effort in U&D. I was UotM in Feb. I got a taste of what it feels like and I liked it. I was just throwing it out there of course.
 * I'm not quite finito con el mechanico. I went past my promised May 1st promise. That said I'm still putting in continued effort. Everything is about finished, and what isn't soon will be. I hope you won't block me :3 07:47, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

i would only block you if you quit the overhaul. i might not be able to get away with that much without inciting rebellion. - The  E -vil Dr. F

I wasn't aware that the U&D sections are something that warranted taking the blame. If someone has a problem with me writing them, then please, I invite them to write it themselves instead of going to a talk page and talking bad about me and my edits. Lest we forget that this is a wiki and I fully expect everything I do to be edited over at one point or another. You think I factor opinion into U&D? Ok, fine. Edit it. If you'll notice, I've never objected to someone editing me, in fact, on my talk page you'll see I was encouraging people to edit the U&D pages after I had put them up. I was going to ask for permission to add U&D to the Aries page today, and start on all the pearls. But I'll just go the drama-less route and stick to cleanup. 13:05, May 2, 2011 (UTC) I thought I could at least avoid bullshit like this on the internet...
 * whoa, easy there bub. no one is criticizing your editing.  i blamed you for the existence of UandD sections, not their content.  similar to the way i blame you for a lot of things, you were the most visible.  happy took offense at a perceived loss of recognition, whereupon i admitted not really researching who started the trend.  now, put the stick down and . . . ok, put both of the sticks down or your on half rations of O2 for a week.  as for the aries, damn, we shoulda thought of that last week, huh?

Recognition is not recognized... at least not by me 204.210.204.155 13:25, May 2, 2011 (UTC) seriously, U&D are a new thing and as such will prolly be scrutinized... I have not followed all the discussions, only seen Nagy's comments and this page. They are for the better in the long run IMO. If you want a UotM award, try for april when you can't trust the results... 13:42, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Doh... I shoulda said I was kidding... cause I am. I know you did alot for the wiki happy, and I personally don't think that you should ever be banned. 40 pages out of 50 fixed is 40 less for Dr.F to fuck with... 13:53, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

err that is to say that they were all broken in the first place... having links to blank pages and all... 13:55, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't edit the Aries page last week because I didn't want it to be seen as an abuse of power by other editors.The Aries page has become "sacred", if you will. If the circumstances were different and I were a permanent sysop, I would have done it regardless. But I didn't want to be seen as taking advantage of my 2 weeks of fame. 16:48, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously, what is up with that page? See how wikipedia deals with this, just look at the source of C++. I am an honest editor, we all are. We shouldn't have to put up with this shit. 19:11, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

happypal was not around for the interminable edit war over this page. it has been opened to registered users with the pleading suggested above. if there is a resumption of hostilities the page will be locked again with the inclusion of U&D + Mechanics. 22:23, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can understand how there was an edit war, and how much of a pain in the ass it can be. It's just very frustrating to other users. 06:29, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hellfire/Mechanics
I'm not sure what to do with Hellfire/Mechanics (and Talk:Hellfire/Mechanics). The page is deprecated and un-used, but contains talk we might want to keep (just not in main space). Any idea what we can do with it? Maybe move it to the Borderlands Wiki: space? 10:07, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * they are to be preserved for historical value. given the amount of effort i personally put in to them only for them to be abandoned by the OP.  if they may not stay where they are i will move them to forum namespace or mine own once wikia stops logging me out every page refresh.   10:16, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be interested in knowing how you were involved, and having more history on the previous project... If you have the time. 10:21, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

UotM
Do you need me to get started on giving them all a UotM ubx? nice touch btw 10:10, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * no, but ty for offering. ty

Jokes aside, there should be a place where most viewers will see a UotM ubx for unregistered user contributions. 10:24, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * ( The Evil Dr. F's note - i will add it to the activity feed page as soon as wikia stops logging me out.)

Thank you sir. Seeing a UotM award is nice, they deserve it :) 11:18, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing...
That Fen is still noted as an active admin on the Recent Activites page. 11:30, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * ty.

old pressure and new eyes
It is my opinion that there are enough members looking out for the wiki. I am confidant that normal operations will proceed. Unless a page is heavily vandalized around the clock, for weeks on end, I feel that this community is ready for any challenge. I do not foresee any need for a lock-down of any page. I could be wrong but seeing the commitment of this community, I am not far off. Just saying. 12:32, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * if this is about the aries page it has already been unlocked. 12:43, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Derp. Nohai.png 13:14, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was about the threat of locking it again. 18:41, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was about the threat of locking it again. 18:41, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

please think of it more as a promise.

^^ Reiteration of opening paragraph. Take into consideration the current community. Just saying. 19:00, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Something Odd
Hi Dr. F, each day that I try to edit a page, it says that i have been blocked until October 28, this was apparantely (unsure about the spelling there) done by Charitwo, I am blocked from editing until I come here (your talk page) and delete a candidate for deletion, long story short can you somehow undo this block. - 04:26, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * that is indeed one of the oddesteriz/sed things i have heard of on wikia. did you experience this on xbio as well.  the block is not listed here on borderlands, did you check xbio?  are you enabled now that you have deleted 2 pages?  i noticed you edited a forum.  are you ready for sysopery here yet?  i havent seen you on raptr of late.   09:39, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

I very rarely get on raptr hidden thing here --> and the block seems to have gone now (wierd). 01:51, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * ok. take a look around special pages and see what you come up with.   09:32, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

BBOS #9
I'm Just posting to say that I volunteer to do that, I've already pre-tried on Xbio (first time there since Donkeyspit abandoned ). I've done the nescessary pages but at the end of the page the sample table does'nt look right (took the code from the weapon tables here) and also after the sample table it says "Cite error: tags exist for a group named "Item", but no corresponding  tag was found." 00:28, May 12, 2011 (UTC) P.S. How do I Fix this.

I'm almost done, I am just having a problem with the example picture. my problem is that the picture remains in the table, as shown here. could you please explain to me how to fix it. 01:46, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * check in with happypal. see where he is with it.   02:03, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

greeter team
The greeter team has a new member: Lynne1984

Please add her to the list of team members. 19:19, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Intervention
Mama! Robots gone mad! Make him stop! 15:23, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't wanna get Robot in trouble, but ty for blocking it. I know he's just trying to be nice, but I think it was a little overzealous... :L 18:45, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

as intimated by happypal it is against wikia policy/practice to solicit real monies on wikia for any purpose. 22:23, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Taking a break
I'm going to be taking another break from the wiki for a while. Happypal is right on the verge of pushing the wrong buttons with me, and I need to take a step back before I say some things that I'll regret. He is seriously pushing me away from wanting to continue any participation in this community. -- 13:30, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blood
I added you to steam. Not sure if it will show up as Bloodscape or Blood (let me know). 13:38, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Recycle
'eyy Mama, I know you said to try to not recycle pictures on the wiki. But its sad to say that most of the pictures of the Underdome are all the same and the ones I have looked up for the slider are already on teh wiki. Shall i just resize them and then whenever the slider is added, whichever admin could just remove the duplicates? 09:03, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * yes. just do the best you can with what weve got. thank you sweetie. 09:19, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't recycle pictures on the wiki? That's news to me...but, noted. Nohai.png 14:02, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * ( Dr. F's note - for sliders)
 * ( Dr. F's note - for sliders)

TFC
Hi, I've got a little question to ask you. Do I install The Fifth Column (actually all the end- user created ones) like a regular DLC or do I have to do something special? Auntarie 20:35, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * as i recall tfc is the only one with an installer however comma they all have instructions and are supported on their forums @ gbx. i use drag and drop for all of them by opening the installer w/ 7-zip.  22:33, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Jur-iss-dik-shun
The Pop Culture References page has a cleanup tag on it. Since it is trivia, does that page fall under WarBlade's jurisdiction? Or should I go ahead and rally the troops and get that page cleaned up? 21:36, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * clean up the page as best you can. if there is a question of removing something run it by WarBlade.   22:34, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

United we stand.
I don't believe the Yu-Gi-Oh reference is really notable. They're similar, but is that really enough of a connection to call it trivia? It's your call. -- 20:16, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * they can remain forever commented out w/ the Priest trivia faic. if someone/anyone is willing to link it it is viable as trivia.  as WarBlade can tell you _any_ connection is trivia which is why _i_ require the links to keep the triviaspam from exploding my head.  as WarBlade also could tell you _i_ would remove all trivia from the wiki if i were allowed to.   09JUN11 3:30ish
 * Okay. I simply thought it odd that you added them back in after NOhara removed them. I'll keep your standard in mind for the future. -- 21:22, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

( The Evil Dr. F's Note -  for those of you playing along at home - please note - nothing  visible  was added or readded to the United We Stand page. ty.)

HI!
HI!
 * hello there, and welcome.  23:17, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Jakobs Mammoth
Hey i saw you editing the end user created content TAB of the ABL project.

Sayn' (spelling appears to be intentional) well yes i got all of the yet "un-confirmed" custom weapon descriptions from a video from a friend, who made a custom map with chests that spawn ABL loot. The vid quality was not to good but i clearly says "Jakobs: Sense the dawn of time...". It could of course be "Since" but that can not be said for sure unless someone can add info.

Anywayz i felt like pointn' that out. I... I am the King! 22:06, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Craw strats page. & unrelated trivia
The Baconator in our local SSCC put a lot of work into the Craw Strats page. UCs don't seem to understand that the page is just supposed to be for general strategies, not to delve into specific builds and weapon combinations. Quite frankly, I think it will go to shit and require a tag by the end of the month if UCs are allowed to edit it. What do you think about only making it available to registered users? 11:10, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure that is within the scope of blockage. I think in order to block, you must block all users. I could be wrong but it is probably outside wiki intent. The biggest thing to remember is that wiki is a source of information. Anything beyond that is up to the community to uphold whatever "standards" the community sees fit. It may mean more work, but in the end, it is worth only what the community wants to do. If you want a page devoted to "hints" then be prepared to clean it up. (IMO) 12:35, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

On the other hand, If you make a "strategies" section (hints) then make a complete "walkthrough" section of information, you could UNDO any edit with a summary of "Its stated on the page". I am all about making a page that does not give away everything unless you read all. NOTE: I have not read the Craw page, this is just a general guideline. 12:45, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Also note that Trivia is a community endorsement (because it is obvious) but requires constant clean up. It is not really only Warblades job, but he has been given the final authority. It is all of our responsibilities to work on Trivia. Hence the recent reintroduction of Dr.F on deleted trivia "awaiting links". Dr.F cannot truly edit on this wiki, he can point in the right direction though. There is more needed than just one admin on the wave of trivia approaching this wiki day in and day out. We should serf the internet a bit more as better editors. Just saying. 13:08, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Robot, last I checked you are not Dr.F, if that has changed let me know. I'll start posting on your talk page when I want your input. It's possible to block UCs from editing a page, and let registered users continue to edit the page. See:Aries. Regardless, I asked Dr.F because he's the one with the power to protect the page as he sees fit. Since the page is designed as a general strategies page, because anything outside that would lead to how it was before. Hundreds of stupid/inefficient strategies trying to accomplish the same thing. 15:13, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

the separate strategies (and tactics) page(s) was created to get the endless parade of useless conjecture off the main article page. i personally do not care in the least if it is as long as a forum and constantly carries a cleanup tag. as i was not consulted on the recent merger of tactics and strategies i have little interest in the resulting page however comma i will consider locking out UCs if the page threatens unmanageability. trivia is under warblade's purview because, as ive described elsewhere, trivia is/was a concession to him and would not be anywhere on this wiki if not for his insistence. it is everyone's job to make trivia relevant, sourced and believable lest it be given up as a bad job. 21:50, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Alright then. I'll keep an eye or two on it. 21:59, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cool, I did not know that you could separate editors like that (power...ahh). If no one got my input, then where would we all be right now? kidding Anyway, I actually believed that the goal of wiki was not that much different than the actual practice, which I find out is NOT the case on many wiki's. This wiki alone seems to be the most adherent to wiki goals and proposed practices... who knew? 08:15, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Le Bicyclette Moto.
Only one is Mine as I stated. Two are my mother and stepfathers and the other is my sisters being stored in my garage. I own a 2001 Yamaha Roadstar Silverado. Customized of coarse.I have had three bikes in my time, though not all at the same time. 05:29, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * lovely. im more the FZR type (600). but then i dont have the "I'll be bock" frame. 05:34, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

My sister used to have a ZRX 1100 i would scoot around on from time to time. But yeh, im more the cruiser type. 05:44, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * your sister frightens me in a way i find not unpleasant.  07:23, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

No offence taken, though she may frighten you in other ways if you ever met her :P. She had a 600 Kawasaki Eliminator before. Cruiser style with a 600cc inline engine. She has a cruiser like i do, now. The ZRX was a nice bike, for short rides, but i find I prefer the laid back seating of a cruiser. I like the power and smoothness of an inline engine, but I love the sound and stance of a cruiser. Loud and aggressive looking :). -- 16:49, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Candidates 4 deletion.
Hey i've given myself the assignment to ID all modded items residing in "weapon talkpages" and "weapon pages".

I don't know if they should be left alone after confirment of construct/modd-ness or if i can delete them because they give off misleading information to the public. I already removed the main pic of the Ogre weapon page and replaced by a legit item, however i don't know what to do with the ones inside the talkpages. So i thought (talk to that guy 1st) before doing anyting rash. I... I am the King! 11:58, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Most times they're already ID'd. We've got a pretty stringent stance toward that kind of thing. I'm willing to bet that the Ogre episode was a fluke, in that all the other pictures of weapons in article main spaces aren't mods. For what it's worth, I'd say that the ones within the talk pages can stay. Just edit the caption to something like *MODDED*, so the community has an example. It might cut down on the "Is this modded?" threads we get from time to time. 13:52, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I see well then i'll just keep it at 'flaging' the pics that are mods like i did before. Anywayz thx 4 the heads ^ I... I am the King! 14:29, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Category:Hacked or Modified Weapons add to image page.  i trust the editors to find the mods on articles and talk.  for deletions see fry and clap.   02:36, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

weapon box captions
I must say I'm not a huge fan of them (never have actually). Not that I'm referring to your (or anybody else's) contributed content. I just don't understand the point of the field, and what it is doing in our boxes. The images speak for themselves. No need for a caption that re-states the name of the gun, or re-says the flavour text. As for our own contributed "flavor text", I find them very un-wiki like. It looks unprofessional, brings nothing to the article, is completely not cannon at all, is edit war material and otherwise doesn't really belong on the wiki. I'm sure a few users might not agree, but if we want the to look serious (as opposed to a joke), I think it is best to remove the field entirely.

I'm starting the conversation here since you seem kind of involved, and wanted your input, to see if it is worth pushing for further discussion in the forums. 10:14, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah...I'm not in favor of them at all. They're pointless and just serve to clutter up the infobox. I was going to just start removing them myself, considering it appeared that it was all Mr.Gj's idea. 11:20, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well i saw some random texts in these boxes so i thought adding random text that defines the weapon a little would do. However i do agreed that it's truly "childish" actually, it really serves no fuction at all. I understand that some users might like them due to them being maybe.. under age or something (with under age i mean people who do not live up to the PEGI rights). I... I am the King! 11:26, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well, as I said, it is not the content that bothers me, but the function it serves. AFAIK, the caption field has always been there, but no one has really know what to do with them. (@NOhara) Fryguy did encourage GJ to do these edits, so it wouldn't be fair to outright blame him for it. 11:46, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I think some of them are quite funny and reflect the humor the game contains. This may be a WIKI, but we can still show our personality a little. This would probably not be appropriate anywhere else on the artical except the infobox, right under the pic with the flavor text showing. Just my thoughts. 11:55, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ok this is the plan: I'll fill them all up with a text that really fits the weapon well as for how it functions/feels/shoots/whatever. Is that ok? I... I am the King! 12:53, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say use the "caption" spot to state the model of the gun. No need to try to create our own flavor text or anything. When I say model, I'm referring to any prefixes and alphanumeric combinations before the actual name of the gun. Like I feel "TMP2.G Crimson Reaper" would make a good entry for the caption spot. 16:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC) Again, this is just my opinion. Not that it actually means anything outside of what it is, just a bitter old rollbacker stating his mind.

the good evil doctor knows well my feelings about the itemcard captions. having the weapon name or flavor text repeated on the itemcard 2 - 3 times is something that we can well do without. my instruction in mr. g's project, and bumped by mr. hara above, was a concession until public discussion can decide the matter. standardization is better and more professional than randomness. that said, doc has a propensity for witty captions that, given this wiki's laid back nature, may take the place of what i feel is an unnecessary caption.

in sum. witty caption > no caption > redundant weapon title.

17:25, June 17, 2011 (UTC) edit: that said, what one person finds "witty" another may find pedantic and subject for removal / replacement. previous attempts at wit have already been removed and reverted on some weapon pages. witty captions may open up a can of worms we may not find palatable.

Hmm, I haven't really looked into it much. I always try and "point out" what the picture describes. I can see this as being very problematic on weapons though. Perhaps the caption should state the power level of the gun (as a description). Something like "typical version" or "highest version found". Just a thought. Otherwise, probably no description. 17:39, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna go ahead and start a forum page for this. Maybe add a poll or something fancy like that. 17:46, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not against wit, provided the captions provide real wit, and not just a rephrase of the flavour text. No harm intended, imo, most are just cheesy and pedantic. That said, I think we can keep captions when there is real wit. For example, I really enjoyed the Raven's one word "Nevermore.", because it references Edgar Allan Poe's Poem, but also has a double entendre that your enemies will be never more. I think it is possible to have a few witty captions, but let's not overdue/force it. 17:51, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: @nohara: A wiki is not a democracy though... :0 17:52, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * ( The Evil Dr. F's Note -  correct. this one for example is a tyranny.  the only form of government proven to work 100% of the time (in the view of the tyrant))

come up w/ something better than model name/number as that is on the item card. i suggested the forum and BBoS mission to fry and then decided to be BOLD and did several myself. the BBoS mission was to participate in the forum which decided the winning (most popular anyway) caption of each. yes the forum would be a multi part monster (why do you think i gave it to Fry?(im not that bold)). the captions on this wiki are not accountable to GBX, 2K, or even wikia. they are a creation of the game players and need not be redundant nor be sycophantic. on a semi related note - you can ask robot how much fun a locked wiki is. 6/17/11 1738hrs (over myrtle beach)

UOTM
I forgot to say thanks for the award again. On a similar note. Might I nominate Razlchick for next months award. She has done quite a bit for the wiki recently. Several BBOS assignments, as you know, as well as helping individuals with signatures and the like. She deserves it in my opinion. NOhara too. Maybe another co- UOTM. Just my thoughts. should you be considering this topic in the near future. 04:15, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want yer stinkin' UotM. If I haven't gotten it by now, there's no reason I should be getting it any time soon. There was a time earlier in my "career" when I was doing much more for the wiki, and the award evaded me numerous times. For me to get it now would be the wrong timing entirely. 11:52, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

That being said, would this be an appropriate time for me to vote for Raz? hmmm? 12:23, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

I actually would like you to consider Lynne as well. She took off on greeting. 12:26, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

How would the doctor feel about me making up a Barnstar template that anyone can hand out? -- 00:37, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * this has been around for a very long time. no one seems to look at histories anymore. please do not abuse this. UotD. 01:08, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay... I am aware of the UotD. I guess you're implying that we don't need Barnstars in addition to UotD? --  01:22, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I didnt realize that my opinion would cause such an adverse effect. I did not know how it was determined. I will keep my opinions on such matters to myself from now on. 00:56, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * ( The Evil Dr. F's Note -  please read notice(s) before responding and/or replying to them. opinions are welcome. nominations are not)
 * addendum - this was not made clear to new(er) users. this information should be on the User of the Month page.  drat it all
 * I did read everything in this section, including the notice. The adverse effect seems to be that I have upset NOhara with my opinion. As for the notice, My "nomination" was just giving you my opinion for your consideration when "selecting" the next award winner. I was under the impression that only Admins give the awards. From the history I recall seeing, you awarded me the UOTM. If I am incorrect in this, I apologise. Writing a Blog, at this point seems pointless as I have already given my opinion. I will keep that in mind should I wish to express that opinion again in the future. I also have no idea what "ATIVE" means and can find no definition for it. I will say, You have a somewhat cryptic way of writing that I find difficult to follow sometimes. I have apparently misunderstood you again in this case. --Veggienatersml.png 05:31, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I was actually just kidding... I knew there was no nominations. sry about that (I figured you would know I was kidding, my bad) 08:58, June 22, 2011 (UTC) P.S. There is no policy on UotD, btw  09:02, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * no, there is not. see history of NOhara's userpage for example(s).   01:21, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Chiquito Amigo.
I thought my last caption was good. Sadface. 11:40, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * im sure it was. did i overwrite?
 * It's just gone. The caption is blank and locked from further editing.Nohai.png 18:55, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * too many edits. see: Forum:Infobox weapon captions discussion item #1.   21:13, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hey. I was wondering if this page has annywhere to start a game with others? I getting cuite tierd of playing all by myself...
 * yes. please see: Forum:Muster by System. 18:00, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
thankyou for the warm welcome sir! i really hope i can add to this wiki and grow along with all the members!Jhaze52 19:13, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Jhaze52
 * enjoy the wiki. if you have any questions ask a greeter its their job!.   07:08, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Surrounded
Scythids to the left of me... Are you paraphrasing song lyrics? :D -- WarBlade 07:53, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * of course. but not the Dio song, actually that one is caught in the middle so nvm.   08:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWoYzB7-308 This is the one I have running through my head. Chorus at 1:50. xD -- WarBlade 11:14, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

OMAIsqvTh7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g stuck in the middle (with you) Steelers Wheel? -- 11:36, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * yes.  11:37, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

larry niven ?
I am not sure I know who that is. Could you provide a link to the trivia you are speaking of ? 01:22, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * protector - Dr. F
 * Very interesting. I am sure it would fit the protector well should you use it. --Veggienatersml.png 11:42, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Siren's kiss
Good one, although I have never seen that movie. I was going to add "The long kiss goodnight". Either one works though. 10:06, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * (you said -bye in chat) i like it better your way. nobody has seen kiss kiss, bang bang but me. 12:59, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * nuh uhh, i've seen it a couple times, its just been a while. this user loves Robert Downey Jr. :3 13:46, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * ( Dr. F's note - yay! mamas not alone)

ordinary RC's
How can ordinary RC's tell if a user has been blocked, other than check the vandal report page?

Also, all the external links (atm) seem to be scrambled letters (just a fyi). 14:38, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Special:BlockList in special:specialpages(which can be added to mytools). 15:06, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * wikimedia update im sure. thanks for warning central!

Thanks. 18:57, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Modders corner
There has been a recent event that reminded me of an idea. Should this (inclusive) wiki provide a Modders corner? For those that want to Mod, a safe place to talk about Modding? This would be a place that Mod bashing is not allowed. Just a thought, and what do you think? 05:43, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

People have gotten over Mod bashing. It's only when people claim that their modded stuff is legit (As modders are won't-to-do.) that the wiki gets it's collective panties in a bunch. They're welcome to the forums just like everyone else. 10:47, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

i, for one, have never had any trouble discussing my modified items and i have never had any difficulty publishing my mods. now i want to be perfectly *&%@$ing clear on this; i did not try to say i found any of them in the game. there is no *&%@$ing prohibition on modding on this wiki. however comma trolling of articles is vandalism. i have made forum namespace and even article main namespace for modding and they go unused. if anyone is complaining to you robot it is only because they enjoy the attention it gets them. 12:26, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Super Marcus Sweep(Crimson Armory)
In the T-Bone Junction DLC, I have a quest that I can't complete. Marcus wants me to inflitrate the Crimson Armory, but I blew it up during the main story. And it won't let me back in. In otherwords Knoxx keeps respawning, but the Armory isn't. Is that supposed to happen?

Anyway, I saw u made edits today, plus ur an Admin, so I figured I'd ask u. Also, NICE! wiki u guys have here and thanks for any help u can give me. Minato (Talk)  03:33, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * try playing the armory mission with another player. if this is active mission you will both complete it. my guess is you had more than one armory mission last time you went through and this one got glitched. see: Forum:Muster by System for your platform. 09:45, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Archives
So, whenever i do get my own computer back... you're gonna set me loose all over the archives, eh? or did i already have permission to start my plan... :3 15:44, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

you may proceed as we discussed. as for temp op, well work on that after you and fry handle the archiving. 22:36, July 6, 2011 (UTC) (from the core http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198028993987/screenshot/596942125448206471 )

purpose of protecting redirect?
http://borderlands.wikia.com/index.php?title=How_do_you_dupe_a_weapon_or_shield%3F%3F%3F&redirect=no&rel=nofollow 02:17, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * it has been deleted twice and users trying to post to a page that has moved resurrect the article. this is more work transplanting the new entries than making it impossible to edit a non-article that has been moved.   02:23, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok what did I miss this time
Hay guys whats going on in here

Did you miss me?

17:38, July 11, 2011 (UTC) of course we did. 17:46, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * two steam sales, one on D2D. a complete changing of the guard for "the new kids on the block". greeters, surgical strike cleaning crew, mythbusters. other than that, not much.

Always nice to have old friends stop by. 18:05, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Getting rid of the "Added by..." in pictures
You can get rid of that annoying "added by... }}user{{" if you enter the following onto your MediaWiki:Wikia.css page. .WikiaArticle .picture-attribution {display:none;} Just thought you'd want to know, Кэне _零三 08:58, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * The "Added by" was originally implemented by wikia as a means to give incentive to participate (just like the "achievements" on the newer wiki *puke*). While it might help during the early days of the wiki, Borderlands wiki is more than stable and developed. I think the "added by" goes against the concept of "the article is the work of the community", and generally disrupts the article. I support removing them, but I won't make a fit if it stays :D {{:user:happypal/sig}} 10:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

help an old man stuck in high earth residential orbit out w/ something, not using |thumb also removes added by, does it not? {{:User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/sig}} 22:35, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * It does, but you have to use thumbs when you want a subtitle under your image: AR440 Glorious Havoc happypal.pngAR440 Glorious Havoc happypal.png{{clear}}

this true. note you still have mouse over text. {{:User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/sig}} 09:13, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * My point of view is that a comment like "Added by" just doesn't really belong in an article as individual attribution is not what a wiki is about. This is something that has "irked" me before, but I didn't know you could remove them. When I saw you could, I thought "Cool, it can be removed". I just wanted to mention that I'm pro-removing it, but to be frank, I'll live just fine either way. {{:user:happypal/sig}} 09:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * {|align="right" style="border:1px solid #333333"

{{clear}}
 * AR440 Glorious Havoc happypal.png
 * This file was not added by me.
 * }I'm pro-removing it too. Or was that pro at removing it? I forget. Anyway, clearing out all the little bits and bobs to clean up the look of these thumnails would be an improvement IMO. -- WarBlade 12:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * }I'm pro-removing it too. Or was that pro at removing it? I forget. Anyway, clearing out all the little bits and bobs to clean up the look of these thumnails would be an improvement IMO. -- WarBlade 12:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * lets not forget users who show pictures in clever ways. {{:User:Dr. Clayton Forrestor/sig}} 13:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

You say tomatoes... I say pizza sauce... {{User:I am the best robot/sig}} 13:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

personal credit given on mainspace articles is disallowed. having credit involuntarily attached to images goes against this convention. thanks go to kenji for pointing out the fix.{{clear}}the wiki is not "for the people, by the people. {{sup| user:fryguy42}}"{{clear}}{{:user:fryguy42/sig2}} 17:58, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

New Wikia feature - Chat
Hi! I'm Mark, from Wikia's Content Team. I'm excited to announce a brand-new Wikia feature - the Chat. The chat has been available for a while in beta, but it was recently added to WikiaLabs, meaning that any local sysop can activate the feature on their wiki! The chat is an excellent way to communicate with less experienced editors and new visitors to the wiki, without having to explain the process of editing entirely using talk pages. In addition to that, the chat also allows you to discuss news about the game easily without having to renew a page all the time waiting for the new messages bubble. Just to be clear, Wikia is not forcing this feature on any wiki, it's completely optional. However, we do recommend the feature as it'll only make editing easier, and attract more editors to the wiki. To activate the feature, visit Special:WikiaLabs and activate the chat. If you have any questions at all, don't hesitate to leave me a message on my talk page! Cheers, Mark  ( talk ) 22:27, July 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have used the beta version, it is not bad. 06:59, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but what is stupid is that of all pages, the front page is the only one you can't chat on, and a wiki with the activity of Borderlands, that'd be the most appropriate place to chat... 07:32, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

we still have irc. 09:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Errm, not so... you can have the option to join chat just like you can see more activity (on the right hand side of the screen). It would be a bit of overhaul on the options, is all. Example. 13:00, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * thats the activity page. 13:37, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I thought we were talking about "the activity of Borderlands"... Am I missing something? or do all visitors sit on the front page? 13:40, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I mean that there aren't so many users on the borderlands wiki that we need a chat on every page. The problem is not starting a chat, but finding other users to char with. The easiest solution is to just have a "main" chat on the front page, where the few active editors lurk, increasing the chances of interaction. But the problem is that the front page is the single page you can't chat on... 14:53, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that active editors do not LURK on the recent activity page?

What I mean to say is that the community requested this from staff and staff provided. Now we have grips about it? I am definitely not saying it is perfect, but what about wiki is? It is give and take, it is edit and watch. It is compromise in the extreme. The fact is that IRC is (at the middle) dead... No one logs on... That is why I stopped. If that is the fate of Chat then so be it... It would not hurt anything. 15:09, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * What does the recent activity feed have to do with chat? The problem with irc is that it is so far away from the wiki editors don't bother. The wikia chat is good because it is integrated right into the wiki, it is as easy as click and chat. All I was saying is just it would work best if everybody agrees to always join the same chat, and by all logic, this should be the front page chat... 15:31, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, now I am really confused LOL. Are you saying that there are multiple channels on the chat and that everyone doesn't log on the same chat? If so, it was changed because the chat filled so much that you couldn't make a conversation (or rather everyone had to make conversations around other conversations). It was actually the biggest flaw they had IMO. If it is now fixed due to complaint, then it really is best that everyone doesn't log on the same chat page (that was a mess). I thought you were talking about the front page of the wiki or something. 09:57, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Did I miss somthing?
Whats going on with MR. Atlas? i didnt see anything amiss in the recent activity. 04:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I see now. 04:30, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Triva Policy
Hey Dr. F. In some of your given summary on your revisions i saw you stating "triva policy". I want to become a better member/contributor/vigilate contre les vandale so i would like to ask. Where can i find this policy page? I... I am the King! 21:08, July 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Category:Policy 23:49, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

^ what he said. 01:38, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thx guys i'll take a look in it! ^_^ I... I am the King! 17:16, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE: external links
Hi Dr. F. I made a small edit to the CSS that fixed it. What probably happened is that the Wikia back end code slightly changed in such a way that screwed up the displaying of the icon on wikis that use a custom icon. JoePlay http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (talk)  17:47, July 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * The links look right for me now after the edit I made. You may have to clear your browser cache (Ctrl+F5) to fix it. JoePlay http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (talk)  18:56, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

wanted: dead!
"Additional information" is "Notes", right? Just making sure. Auntarie 06:31, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * yes. congruent enough for our purposes.   09:01, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

torist achevment
have they released a patch for the robot revolution achevments  as said in the notes part in http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Tourist read the notes from raggedcozy 11:35
 * a very good question rags. to the best of my knowledge this game has not been patched since the post CNRR level cap raise.  i would not expect one anytime soon while gbx is deving colonial marines.  possibly if gbx allows the company it contracted CNRR to to patch the game but that is less likely.  for advice, cheev strategy, and work arounds you could ask bukkithead, he being the 100% cheever.   12:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

hi i asked a quieston yesterday and i cant find the page to do it again im new to pc so im struggling abit
 * your only edits on record are here and pearlescent. try logging out and checking your unregistered edits.  welcome to the wiki.   16:25, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Jackal Jackal burning dark(ly)
Hi I have found a gun this afternoon but im not shure if some one has droped it in the party its a Dahl and its name is u jackal jackal is this moded? as I dont realy want a moded gun.
 * jackal is a title so yes its a plant. anything w/ 2x title (or 2x anything for that matter) is a fake.  if you want a construct change first title to hunter's.  if you are legit only, drop it and leave area.  DONT sell it as this is known to have adverse affects on achievement money tracking (-99,000,000).   16:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Warn Template
I didn't know that it was a blockable offense to remove a Warn Template. Let me know next time so I can drop the 'hammer. 19:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * only if not addressed. user made no attempt to explain why he (luke) moved a userpage. it is his talk page so no penalty is incurred by removing the template however comma this action removes the leeway (time to make good) granted by the template. and no, iatbr, i do not intend to make a warn policy. it is explained on the template page. 20:22, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we need a policy-policy. You know, like a policy to make policies. It's only purpose would be to see if we need to actually make a policy for something else that had arisen, that might need a policy in itself. You know, so we'll have an official policy. Also, policies. Nohai.png 11:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

( The Evil Dr. F's note - that is almost verbatim of section 5 subparagraph 7 of IatBR's job description. where policy is lacking it is his job to draft one or prod me into doing it)

Vulcana
Hi, there's this guy that wiped the page and I dunno how to restore an infobox. Can you hepl pls? Auntarie 20:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * it is the same as april 2nd now so you have done it up fine. ty.   21:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)