Talk:Zer0

Appearance
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Even though it looks as though he only has four digits per hand, I'm still excited about this one. >:) 22:28, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know right. Im thinking Alien or Android / Cyborg. Pretty cool either way :P Veggienatersml.png 22:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * now zero from what i can tell does not talk at all but his mask shows symbols in red in the trailer he shows a cuation sign a smiley face and a 0 his specail ability is that he sends out a decoy goes cloaked and then you can see where the critical point is on an enemy then u slice38.103.208.51 20:23, February 23, 2012 (UTC)john bier


 * I noticed the symbols too. Maybe that concludes he is an alien. D: we shall see. 23:50, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm more intrigued by the little tear in the front of his suit. He either has a blue fabric layer under that, or it's the colour of his skin. Plus the three-fingers thing. -- WarBlade 23:20, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking at his tabi, he may have only four digits per foot, too. Dämmerung 06:34, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps, he/she is either a sentient Guardian or even the/ one of the last Eridians. I rather like that idea, myself. -- 06:46, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that 'tear' is just decoration on his suit. You'll notice the same pattern above his glove (on each hand) and also on the other side of his suit, all symmetrically placed. I doubt that he got his suit torn in such a fashion. 08:27, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * What you are talking about isn't a tear. It's a design that's part of his sneaking suite but if you look directly above the place your talking about on the side of his stomach you can see a small hole in the costume. Looking back at all the promo pictures the hole is in them all. Cscribble 19:11, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

What interests me is that his helmet bears resemblance to the "Sneaker" Spec ops from Deus Ex: Human Revolution. 207.6.25.27 03:18, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is anyone else feel a faint Daft Punk vibe from the helmet in the "geeky-gadgets" picture? No? Just me? ...well, ok then 03:53, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * he remind me of abe. :3 22:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

0's early concept art, the shape of his head specifically, lends credence to my personal theory that s/he/it's not human. the other char's are drawn so as to clearly look human. 22:40, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

To me he looks like a lance assassin. Katacalysm 23:26 March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * fair point. athena's mutant little brother. or a clone sister gone terribly wrong? 00:52, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the "Speculation" section at the bottom of this page, it is speculated that the eridian race spoke telepathically since the gaurdians do not have mouths which would support the possibility of Zer0 being an alien as he/she/it never seems to speek. The picture at the bottom of the page shows a drawing of what an eridian could have looked liked which bares a slight resemblence to Zer0's general body shape including having only four fingers and two large toes. By the way, sorry if I messed up anything, I'm new here. C0RMI3R 08:26, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

please note that the page you found that on is a talk page, subject to whatever pops into an editor's mind and not subject to public vetting. that particular section is titled "speculation" because the OP added it to the mainspace page along with his/her/its own rendering of an eridian guardian before it was moved to the talk page. as such it cannot be taken as canon. that said, it would be trés amusant if 0 turned out to be an eridian guardian. although, i'ma be pissed to find that out realize that he can't fly or shoot lasers out his eyes. 17:36, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

By looking at where he got some of his inspiration most likely from Hakumen from the Blazblue fighting game series due to the fact that they both dress nearly the same, except that Hakumen wears something more akin to a hakama for pants and Zer0 wear more of a shinobi's atire and their default colors are completly opposite (Hakumen wears white, Zer0 wears black attire). Another insperation is from Lelouch Vi Britannia from the Code Geass series, as they both are people who seek revenge on those who did them wrong, and wear black masks. However, unlike Zer0 who is more physically fit and perfers fighting the enemy directly, while Lelouch is the complete opposite for the most part and uses his intellect and creative thinking to defeat his enemies indirectly.--Trail blazer 05:02, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * point of fact, anthony burch scott kester credits grey fox of the mgs series as one of the inspiring figures in the appearance of 0. I'll work this info into the future trivia section once I dig up the other name he dropped. 05:19, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Spiritual successor?
Alright, so we know Axton is the successor of Roland, we know Salvador is the successor of Brink, and we know Maya is the sussessor of Lilith, so, I ask, would it be safe to say Zer0 is the spiritual successor of Mordecai? I mean, all the other classes seems like they are close, and Zer0 does have a skill tree dedicated to sniping, so... is he? Nixter the hunter 01:31, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * imo, yes. even posture is mordy. course this saves on skeletal animation. 00:52, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think Mordecai and Lilith got crossed in this one. He's got Lilith's evasion skills and close-combat power, while assassin style and model/body seems closer to Mordecai. Aejay (contribs, speech) 01:37, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * you have a point, Aejay, but seeing as Maya is both a siren and seems to also have the sort of magical powers as Lilith, I would have to say that she is the spiritual successor. Let's not forget that Mordecai had some close-combat perks as well, so there's even more evidence that Zero is Mordecai's successor. 06:10, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree with a lot of above. As far as I can tell(By looking at the abilities), Maya is the new "support"(In terms of healing, anyway), being the "spiritual successor" of Roland, even though she's a siren like Lilith. Axton's combat style seems to be a mix of Borderlands 1 characters, and I'd say that Zer0 is likely going to be the same, a mix, and not a remake of any particular character. Don't count on the gameplay for any of the Bl2 characters being identical to your favourite Bl1 character.--Gerroh 00:39, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Questionable Skill
One thing I dont get is will Zer0's skill be like the Siren Lilith's skill as in you'll only be able to attack once when your invisable if so im not sure if I would want to be the assassin any more. Flame crusader 21:51, April 8, 2012 (UTC) with each character having ~30 available skills I wouldn't be surprised if some late-tier skill allowed more than one nut-strike crit-strike. Also, just seeing the skill buffs that we know for maya and sally, it seems apparent that gbx is going to let 0 do more with his sword than just *stab. 22:04, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Additional skills
Tw0 fang, Killer and Ambush. Is killer possibly the same as the hunter skill? MyWetDream (talk) 17:56, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's certainly possible, or it could be substantially tweaked from BL1's interpretation. Axton still has Grit and Metal Storm, but I understand that Grit works a little differently this time. Dämmerung 18:15, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

After watching the new Borderlands 2 trailer I noticed something, Zer0 talks "I have destroyed you, a deadly shot from nowhere". But no matter how many times I listen to it, I can't help but say, that that was definitely a female voice, despite all evidence to the contrary, anyone agree?

I heard from an interview that there was a skill that allowed you to throw knifes or something.Jarrjam (talk) 15:01, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Gender?
So I was watching a trailer today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6aE-gPv6I&amp;list=HL1342102660&amp;feature=mh_lolz) and around 0:24-0:30 Zero sounds like a girl. At first I thought it was Maya but the sound seems to be coming from Zero. Is it because of his helmet that he sounds like a girl? Or is this some typo?

Elloabbey (talk) 14:29, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I actually already posted this above, but forgot to title it.

TheRealTerminal (talk) 15:56, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * lol, "he sounds like a girl because of a typo". zer0's a woman, get over it. Nobody has ever made any claims to zer0's gender. THis is quite clear from the very first sentence of the article actually. Maybe she'll be the new Samus? happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 16:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought it was a typo because the wiki and talk page says things like he and stuff. I'm not really mad that Zero's girl, I'm actually delighted. Well, thanks anyway. Elloabbey (talk) 18:14, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

69.137.3.58 21:01, July 12, 2012 (UTC) he is not a he but a she. in the new trailer, she talks in a robotic voice check out the wimoweh trailer after first few seconds.

There is no evidence yet of any gender at all, male, female, or "other." We've heard a couple of different voices from Zer0, and none of them are Jessica Rabbit. Could easily be sexless, changing its voice as necessary to be an effective decoy. Dämmerung 21:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh! I never thought of that! Maybe your right. Elloabbey (talk) 03:23, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I have considered that possibility a few times, it would make sense, if he is a stealth based infiltrator, she could use different voices to his advantage, i'm hoping they elaborate on her backstory a bit ;)

TheRealTerminal (talk) 01:33, July 14, 2012 (UTC) This may just be speculation, but one of the major gaming publications suggested that players can choose whether Zer0 has a male or female voice. The voice is supposedly composed of clips from tv shows and movies. Like I said, not sure if it was idle speculation or straight from the horses mouth at Comic-con, but if true, seems to lend credence to the "Zer0 is an android" theory. Shikamaru31789 13:28, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * for what little it is worth, my guess is zer0 is anorchidic. 02:31, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well i don't know about any of you all but there's also this wild ass theory going around on some youtube psages that zer0 may be Athena from the General Noxx DLC (or another of her clones). Of course the whole "clone" theory's been around for a few, but if anything the latest trailer helps to reinforce said theory. After all both Zer0 and Athena (and the other omega assassins) have simalar armor styles, they're both "assassins", and the both use energy swords. I mean, the more you think abot it the more it makes sense. Wildaces22
 * bad clone job? lost part of one x chromosome and some fingers? ok. "ship it!" 04:03, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Theories are just that, theories. While Zer0 and Athena / Assassins use energy swords, Zer0's sword is quite different looking. Also their armor looks nothing alike except that they both have small body types. My "theory" is, Zer0 is an Eridian/ sentient Guardian. Both have very thin builds with 4 fingers and 2 toes. Of coarse the ninja style boots Zer0 wears could be hiding more digits. Since Guardians never talk, he may only be able to communicate through artificial means. Either way, my theory makes just as much, if not more, sense than the Assassin one. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110904041912/messaging/images/c/c2/Emoticon_silly.png --Veggienatersml.png 05:50, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree, you do make a well put point with the idea of Zer0 being some kind of Eridian sentient (or at least being derived from Eridian tech.) Considering with what we know of Borderlands 2 storyline with the "vault key" coming into play again and Jack trying to use it to awaken somthing called "The Warrior" I wouldn't be all that surprised. http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=137834&amp;page=3 (bottom of page for further info) Wildaces22 5:42 July 24, 2012


 * But for all we know he could be some kind of guardian / lance assassin genetic hybrid, since both theories aren't really so far fetched. I also agree with the idea of his/ her/ its voice being comprised of voice clips and sound bytes similar to a Predator. That being said Zero could be anything( perhaps something not even we have thought of).
 * BigBrother1984 (talk) 17:20, September 2, 2012 (UTC)BigBrother1984

Gender is male
In the most recent trailer it can be assumed that Zer0 is male due to Handsome Jack saying "I don't know what his deal is" when referring to Zer0.MyWetDream (talk) 22:36, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

A few minor issues
His name is spelled wrong in the lead paragraph. Literally the first word of the article. The article name is "Zer0", so the lead should say the same. That word should also be bolded, right? Also, is there an particular reason that Pandora isn't linked in the infobox? Cheesedude (talk) 01:53, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Melee weapon section
“The sword is not an equippable item but it's effectiveness in combat can be enhanced.”

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This has been here for a long time and each time it bugs me.

Aejay 22:09, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pronounciation?
I have heard some gearbox videos say his name as "Zer-Zero" and some as just "Zero", Is there some sort of acctual confirmation on this somewhere? 67.193.181.166 11:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a link to any such videos? Everyone I've ever seen seem to just say "zero". I do believe Randy himself says it. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 12:06, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would have a link, but I cannot recall it, nor have it off-hand. I'm fairly certain it was someone in gearbox saying it though.

younouns
i can only assume recent edits reflect recent videos however comma im wondering does the game really say you _that_ often? these are the in game descriptions? right? or are you lot just winging it? 12:51, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

The in-game descriptions do use "you" throughout. However, I did modify most of the descriptions for brevity. I suppose it could be argued we should go all the way to one side or the other--perhaps replace "you" with the character's name? --Evil4Zerggin (talk) 17:04, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Zero overrated?
I think Zero is kind of overrated. Just because hes an assassin doesnt mean he will be the most awesome. Salvador and Axton seems the most interesting.

Everyone has their own play style. For those that like stealth and melee kills, Zer0 is their guy. Personally, i am going first for Salvador myself. -- 03:36, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Granted that I haven't looked at the most recent trailers, but it seems like GBX caught up to that Lilith was OP in BL1 (invulnerability + massive health regen every ~10 seconds). Phasewalk was the only ability that was useful against Crawmerax. Zero's abilities seems like a nerfed Phasewalk to me.--&#123;&#123;SUBST::User:Riceygringo/sigtwopointoh/ref&#125;&#125; (talk) 03:14, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not nerfed. just different. They want each new Vault hunter to be Unique. He doesnt just go invisible, he can see critical hit locataions while cloaked. So while the invisible part is similar, his ability is different. Veggienatersml.png 03:32, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Skill name typography
In the interest of not making editors' eyes bleed, I propose that we normalize Zer0's skill names to standard English. The skill page can read, e.g., "Followthrough (F0ll0wthr0ugh)" for clarity. Dämmerung 22:40, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * The skill's name is "F0ll0wthr0ugh" through. It is not our job to appreciate it, but just to deal with it. We will create redirects of course, and maybe even a "zerotypo" template? "" => "F0ll0wthr0ugh". happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 11:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I argue that the skill's name is not F0ll0wthr0ugh, it is Followthrough. The former is not a word, it is a typographical artifact of the game, unpronounceable, akin to writing Diablo skill names with U+2629 instead of "t." Dämmerung 15:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

S0 d0es this mean that when BL2 c0mes 0ut we have to talk like this? It's already giving me a headache-- 14:28, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it just means you'll have to refer to "Zero" as "Zer0", and to "deception" as "decepti0n". Them's the breaks. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 14:51, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Template:Zero. H0w d0es it l00k? I'm particularly pr0ud 0f the permanent subst mechanism. And yes, this entire bl0ck 0f text was written using it. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 15:24, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * twitch Dude. Remember when you were given your great powers, how then you pledged to use them always for good, never for evil? I am crying tears of blood here.  Dämmerung 15:39, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've already incorporated the zero-fy template in his skill navigation template. Either way, I agree with Daem that we should probably have redirects for those who want to search for the skill names w/o 0's in them. 21:15, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Many Must Fall Quote
The quote in Zer0's skill "Many Must Fall" is an old proverb, and its meaning is quite fitting for Zer0, or rather, what he is going to do to the enemy. The quote from Many Must Fall being "Call no man happy til he is dead. Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy..." and the actual proverb being "Call no man happy till he dies". Which pretty much means, that you can never say that somebody is truly happy until they are dead, because something could be waiting around the corner that could ruin their lives/happiness. Which, I think fits. The "person" being whoever Zer0's attacking, and the "Something" that could ruin the life/happiness is Zer0. And "Happy" is repeated several times because of what the skill does, it allows him to take out multiple enemies with one Deception, so it's like Zer0 kills someone, that person is now "happy" next person he kills "happy" the next "happy" and so on. Just something interesting I found, like how some of Salvador's skills are movies references.

JerZey CJ (talk) 07:08, September 2, 2012 (UTC)JerZey CJ

Gender Spoiler
I just thought of something: Currently, we don't know Zero's gender. If and when we do know it though, then chances are it will be revealed in-game, near the end, or who knows when (eg: Spoiler).

Now, I don't figure we could keep it hidden very long when the game comes out, but could we try, at least for a little bit, to not spoil it for those visiting us that still don't know: We leave it to "presumed" for a couple of weeks or something? happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 21:05, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * A Gearbox developer spilled the beans a while back when he said something like, " ...he, actually it, blah blah blah." Zer0 is genderless. " -- WarBlade (talk) 21:49, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if we did know, the point was to keep it under the radar for those that didn't know, like me... :( PS: I gave your comment some "poor man's spoiler effect". I hope you don't mind. happypal (talk &bull; contribs) 06:57, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

For people dying to know, This is what he said: A Gearbox developer spilled the beans a while back when he said something like, "...he, actually it, blah blah blah." Zer0 is genderless. --Jayson Swagmode (talk) 02:48, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh Reference
One of Zer0's dialogue lines is a reference to the show Yu-Gi-Oh. He says something along the lines of "Hilarious, you've just set off my trap card!". I can provide a video link of him saying it, if needed. JerZey CJ (talk) 19:05, September 5, 2012 (UTC)JerZey CJ

Death Mark/Star Wars
On the Borderlands 2 official page, there's some flavor text for Death Mark (Also, it's not an easy thing to live with). Don't know if it'll be in the final game, but I do believe it's a Star Wars reference. Just a heads up in case it's in the final game.

Couldn't find a video of it, but http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-The-Empire-Strikes-Back.html has it in the script...Ctrl+f "death mark" and it should be the first (and only) thing that pops up. 74.74.131.246 05:20, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

League of Legends Reference?
Zero's Death Bl0ss0m is really similar to Katarina's ultimate ability in League of Legends; hers is called Death Lotus and she also throws out a bunch of daggers at nearby enemy champions. Is Zero's ability a reference to Kat's or are they both referencing something? Notverycreative (talk) 15:28, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Zer0 is some kind of infiltrator from Mass Effect?
Invisible for damage boost, flanking, change shooting position... All about good-old mass effect infiltrator :)

Daft Punk?
The head custimization option named "Punk" seems to be a reference to Daft Punk.

74.74.131.246 14:16, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
I've been trying to catch as many of Zer0s quotes as possible as I play through the game, but some of them I'm not 100% certain of what it is that created the situation for him to say them in the first place. For example after entering decepti0n the other day I pulled out a purple rarity over powered rocket launcher of some sort against a badass nomad and killed him with it and he says 'Bow to my weaponary!'

I havent been able to reproduce the same quote with any other weapon, so maybe it was the rocket launcher. I coulnd't tell if the nomad died due to the damage from the rocket or if there was a crit at the same time. If it was a crit, was this quote only made because of the crit during decepti0n or was it just because of the crit and decepti0n had nothing to do with it. Not so much looking for an answer directly, just explaining my thoughts about it and trying to make sure I put the quote under the correct place. Cscribble 19:40, September 20, 2012