Forum:Really? Are you crying about that?

Okay, so here is my rants and raves post for the New Year! Why are you crying about people creating their own weapons when in all actuality, all they're doing is picking and choosing their special modifications insead of the game randomizing it. Now, a shotgun that shoots lightning, and if you zoom in, its unlimited shots, thats a little overkill. It actually lags the game thats how overkill it is, but if you're like me who cannot find a good shotgun in this game, why not create your perfect weapon? Or, if you want to change the color of your weapon whats wrong with that? I agree with some of the posts saying you should patch this and that, but if you should really patch something, patch the dup glitch. Thats more cheap than modifying the game. Heck, maybe thats the way the designers wanted it. I'm mean really, I like Borderlands even better now that I can create my own gun! SO..... I read in another post "New class of gun. Red" this post really made sence.

"Never said i take pride. I just believe that if someone wants to mod guns people shouldn't try to stop them. It seems wrong to me that you want to have a patch get rid of modded guns. If you don't like them don't use them and don't play with people that use them. Don't be a dick and ruin someone else's gaming experience. Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC) Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC) Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC)"

Kudos to you Rawwar13. I enjoy making weapons, but I dont distribute. I show my friends, especially that shotgun I was talking about earlier, the lightning one. AND the one shot one kill duels, don't duel them when you know they have a modded weapon, cause you will get raped. Don't complain on here cause it's just going to get ignored.

As I conclude my rants and raves, I would like to say one more thing, If anyone wants to play and want to see that special shotgun, add me.

PSN: CyberCJ18451

Thank you and have a good night!


 * If you don't like it look away and let it be. That mentality worked out pretty well in history, did it? Cocofang 21:49, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Right on! If you want modded weapons then play with them if you don't then don't use them. simple as that! - AsianYouth

It's just getting really annoying for me, whether I'm joining a public game or hosting one. Someone is playing online with Modded weapons and ruing things for other people. A fair deal would be, if you want to use Modded weapons, don't poison my game and play privately. --Japsa 22:09, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for agreeing with me Cocofang and AsianYouth. As for you Japsa, I agree with you that if you want to play online with modded weapons, play privately. Showing off your weapons to the public will piss a bunch of people off and they'll just stop playing all together. And I do believe if you host a game, you have the power to show them the shape of italy. I wold like to use Diablo 2 for example, remember the character mod for unl. life and mana, and unlimited skills glitch, and the unlimited cash glitch? I quit playing online because of that. I only host private games when I use my special weapons. It's just for fun.


 * Note to myself: make sarcasm and irony notable for everyone. It seems to me i have to make myself clearer:
 * What if other countries would have looked away when Hitler slaughtered all Jews? Yeah, thats right: i compare you - the modders - to Hitler while the Jews stand for the game itself. There are actually weapons capable to crash whole servers! And these weapons will exist as long as modded weapons are allowed to exist. And there always will be people willing to use them. I mean, come on! COME ON! Whenever i read random comments (on youtube videos or in the forum) coming from people playing this game it totally gives me the chills. Some people seemingly masturbate over every modded super-weapon that comes across. And some are assholes big enough to spread them all over the community. Right in the hands of naive newbies and unknowing players. That IS a problem. How can anyone seriously deny that? And there is no possible end to this problem unless all modded guns are banned from online playing. I say get the job done and do it right. Get down to the root of trouble.
 * And in my opinion the modded guns aren't even the biggest problem. The real deal are constructs. Because no one can tell the difference between a legit weapon and a construct. Not even programs that have been written to search and destroy modded crap.


 * To come to the point: Get real people! Modded weapons only for amusement, slight modifications and no unfair advantage? Are you even believing your own words? As long as there is the possibility to create those, there will be a hell lot of immature shitheads abusing them.
 * And reading something like "maybe thats the way the designers wanted it" really cracks me up. Oh, yeah sure!. I feel like i have to quote something i wrote elsewhere here:
 * "Yarly, way to go! So modding is not cheating, its customization, is it? I see everything from a completely different angle now! Now, with that completely different point of view, i realize that i always wanted to max out all my skills. Too bad there are not enough skillpoints to do just this. Lets customize it! 106 skillpoints are just right to fit my needs.
 * If i think about it i want a shield with 20.000, a recharge of about 1000 and quick health regen. That would be very customized. Lets do it. Oh, and while i'm at it i'll give myself 50.000 HP. Sounds fair enough to me. And my weapon proficiencies are still to low. Lets make them all over the top. I want it that way. But now i need a fitting weapon for my customized character. Lets create one with 10.000 dmg per bullet. Neat. RoF about 100, infinite clip and amu, 100% acc, throwing grenades, dealing fire, acid and shock dmg at the same time and has target searching rockets attached. I sure like my customized weapon. Lets make some more!
 * But oh, what is that? Not enough storage. I want infinite storage! Time to customize. They should have included the possibility to do that anyway. I am sure this is just what the developers want me to do. Its so easy, it cant be wrong! Everyone can do that, so its totally fair! And if someone is complaining i don't give a damn. I play the game the way i want. They can't tell me how to play it, can they? I just customize it. My game, my rules. Absolutely rightful as far as i am concerned ...
 * I am even friendly enough to hack own games, so that everyone who joins gets infinite backpack-slots, money, shield and health as well. Do they want it? I don't care! Its my game. I payed for it. I can do whatever i ****ing want! There are no rules! And if there are any i customize them! Bye inferiority complexes, bye everyday worries, bye existence as a social outcast - I AM FRIGGIN GOD, MOTHER****ERS!


 * Hm ... now that i think about it with my new obtained, customized almighty and godly powers and immeasurable wisdom ... i always wanted to play a gigantic, fire-spitting tentacle-kitty with laser-beam eyes. I wonder if ..."
 * Because there are not only REAL children playing this game (14 years old kiddies going like "kewl it blewz his head off! YARRRR!") but mentally immature ones too (18 and older kiddies going like "kewl teh modded weapon blewz his head off! YARRRR!"). Oh, how noble and generous you all are pronouncing "modded weapons are only for amusement" but don't you realize sayings like that are in vain? Every sane person agrees that modded imba-weapons are a problem. But there is no possible way to differ between sane people like you and me and sick gun-nuts if you want to solve that problem. There is only one way to get this done and you know that: collective punishment. Nuff said. --Cocofang 05:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Im fine with people using modded weapons on private servers but when you join other games with modded weapons or host a public game with no mention of modded things, its a bit unfair- spacespinner

id like too see it:PSN Mr_InSane_

Agreed with most. I reckon it's perfectly fine if you use a modded weapon for amusement while everyone in your multiplayer knows you're using a modded weapon and they approve of it. If someone doesn't like modded weapons, the weapons shouldn't be used. I see absolutely no problem with modded weapons being used purely for amusement/the laughs. However, using modded weapons to gain a personal advantage isn't fair, and ruins the game for others. --HybridDragoness 03:40, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Imo it depends, modding weapons to get the perfect one is fine with me, it may take a bit of the fun of searching for it out of the game, but whatever its your choice. By perfect one, I mean, You would be able to find this gun in game, but you just dont want to maybe have to search through a million guns to find it. However, when people start mixing and matching parts from different guns is where I believe most people have a problem, because as said, you end up with ridiculously powerful 1shot kill guns. -- Croc xr8 04:40, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm okay with modder's, i mean as long as there not getting in anyone's way or annoying people, i mean if someone wants to do 50000x500000 smg with a clip size of 1000000 and a firing rate of 1000000 plus sometimes i forget to reload plus we don't need no water plus give sick plus w/e for every element its there right, as long as that guy doesn't say, wanna duel? without me knowing he has that same weapon, its kinda like aids...i don't care if u got aids, as long as your not spreading it around like wildfire, get the picture?Toolazytomakeaaccount 09:28, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

If there are any history buffs in here then you'd know that Hitler was a Jew Himself. So if you'd like to use Hitler and the jews as an example, then you're also calling us modders jews. And if you're compairing yourself to the jews, then you yourself are Hitler. If people would actually pay attention in school and read about Hitler, you would find out that it wasn't Hitler's idea to kill all the jews, it was his military leaders within The Third Reich. I'm stationed here in Germany and my german friends also said, that it wasn't his fault. And you want to know how the swastika came to be? No, the germans didnt create it, it is an Equilateral Cross which is included in many Archaeological artifacts. The Idea to put it on the German flag was not Hitlers Idea, but one of his successors Ideas. But this isn't about Hitler and the Holocaust, this is about Borderlands. And I do remember that this is MY rants and raves page, if you would like to go create a page and boo hoo on it, by all means do so, just not on my page.

Thank you and good night! CyberCJ18451 19:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, thank you so much for totally ignoring about 90% of my post and raise the suspicion your friends are most likely Hitler-sympathisers, which is quiet alarming.
 * Besides that and the fact most of the things you said about Hitler are totally wrong (i don't know what teachers, said reading material or your friends wanted you to believe but it arises either from sciolism or questionable sympathy), i'd like to ask you some questions:
 * Are you THAT naive? Do you really think people will stop spreading modded crap around like - as Toolazy said - wildfire? Do you really think people will stop creating weapons that are capable to crash the server? Do you really think most people using modded guns even think about the fact it ruins legit gameplay? Where was the point i missed and online cheating is acceptable now?
 * If you really think, people will get a hold of themselves and stop making gamebreaking stuff, any discussion is absolutely pointless because this would be the ideology of a six year old. --Cocofang 22:41, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

First off, Hitler was not a jew, it was his fault, and the swastika is a buddhist symbol tilted a bit sideways. Second off, however I do agree completely with your Borderlands related point. A modded weapon is in no way comparable to the Holocaust, as they aren't killing anybody or anything even remotely close. At least, not actual people. From what I've seen, they pretty much own video game people.-A Fistful Of Lightning

Wow, this thread contains a very fast invocation of Godwin's law! 22:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Speed up, i say! --Cocofang 23:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Godwin's Law for sure-spacespinner

In the big scheme of things, its gunna happen and it's always gunna happen. The modding didn't start in Borderlands and it's not gunna stop. Deal with it.CyberCJ18451 12:04, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet again you start ignoring all points and come up with a pseudo-argument yourself. We can't completely stop it so let it be? If everyone followed this logic mankind would have died out long ago. You can't stop wars. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them? You can't stop diseases. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them from killing people? You can't stop people from being totally stupid and uneducated. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them from being just that?
 * I could go on like this for pages! You are right: You can't stop people cheating online. But that's absolutely no reason to stop trying, is it? Once again i ask: When did it happen, that online cheating went tolerated? Somewhere between breakfast and stultification? --Cocofang 17:44, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

you can try to stop it, but it wont stop, it wont even slow down, it wont even lose speed by an inch, you stop one modder and 50 million pop up, its a war you cant win so why waste your time fighting a war that never ends, oh yeh and u can stop war, you just cant stop it FOREVER, you can stop disease's using various medicines, and anything there isn't a cure for we work on, no one quit on that one, you can stop people from being stupid but they need to want to learn, if they don't then there of coarse is no way to stop that, and it isn't tolerated, it is simply accepted.Toolazytomakeaaccount 21:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fortunately, with the advent of technology, it IS possible to stop modding online. A simple algorithm to check to see if the game's random weapon making algorithm could have produced any given weapon can render modded weapons useless online. However, if you mod things in a less retarded way (such as add a scope to your maliwan hellfire) then you would still be able to use it. Such mods can be seen as non-malicious, and are permitted in my opinion. It's all up to the developers (who are quite capable of rendering your invincible guns helpless) to make decisions, not me. Oh, and please use spell check :( --Doomination 15:44, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

people mod fallout 3, they mod halo 3, they mod call of duty modern warfare 2, they mod EVERYTHING, and on most multiplayer games they are banned and therefore they do suffer for it, but on games like borderlands the workers look the other way because its not a big online game, if your gonna fight people naturally make it so modded weapons don't work in arena's or in duels, but other then that they don't do anything wrong, so they kill enemy's quicker? who cares, if u don't like it leave, and if you want to explain to them how there wrong, they wont listen, they'll just keep on shooting and ignore you, or even kick you themselves!Toolazytomakeaaccount 18:03, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Where is the difference between "stop fighting it" and "tolerate it"? It's exactly the same. Why fighting a war you can't win? Because you have to! If there is no opposition everyone goes completely wild. It's the same everywhere. What kind of mentality is that anyway? You stop trying just because it's hard? We would still sit in a cave soiling ourselves if everyone followed that example. You can't stop it but you sure can reduce it. That what we have in Borderlands right now are people gone completely crazy because of the lack of boundaries. Boundaries both, their common sense and the developers, failed to set.
 * You can't completely prevent stupid tardasses to fuck things up but if you stop fighting them you can just as well go and die. -- Cocofang 20:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Look cocofang, if everyone stopped modding, then everyone would just use basic weapons, which if I myself had tuned to modding, I would probably be rather bored of. Stopping everyone from modding would make people grow bored of the game, and it would die, and members of wikis and fansites would also dwindle, until eventually the game would be 1) made fun of for the people who played it being responsible for killing the game, or 2) be forgotten completely. And we don't want that, do we? I mean look at oblivion. If people stopped modding that, almost the entirety of the PC players would be lost, and the only players would be on PS3 or Xbox 360, which can grow very boring after a while without the possibility of modding the game, and a great game would be forgotten.Captain tweed 20:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, finally a good point apart from all that rubbish arguments.
 * The problem are people modding stuff and use them alongside with people that want to play legit. While you sure have the right to play the game in a legit way the right to mod stuff out of boredom or to "customize" (like some funny chaps like to call it) is quiet questionable. Even more if you piss off fair players. Most modders are just complete morons without morals or the ability to use their common sense. And these are the peoples boundaries must be set for. Be it that modders and legit players are separated, modding weapons are completely banned or whatever. Something just have to happen about that matter. And whatever happens (if something happens), there sadly will be sane people suffering from that.
 * But what about a "best case scenario"? Online games are split up in two groups: Those with- and those without modded weapons. Whoever want to host or join a game has to choose between these two options. Whenever you join/host a game you will be scanned for modded stuff. If you have these you cannot join a legit game. On top of that they add a in-game modding-tool specific for people who want to create their own weapons. This idea may not be thought through thoroughly but overall this would be a solution i could live with. It wouldn't stop the problem completely but it would help. -- Cocofang 20:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

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Is modding the game reverse engineering? Unless the developers gave permission it's illegal? - NoAccount. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.25.18 (talk • contribs)

wow...just wow, that's kinda funny.Toolazytomakeaaccount 23:43, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why can no one see that it's just a video game? Stop comparing it to war and disease and Hitler! It's not that big of a deal!-A Fistful of Lightning
 * Indeed. It is just a video game. Is that a reason to allow everyone to go wild on it? -- Cocofang 16:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

It was asked when cheating became tolerated to which I reply, "up up down down left right left right B A select start". The only difference between that and modded weapons is playing online. Host your games and boot people who have modded weapons. It's that simple, really.Phoenixlol 16:16, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Too bad you have to kick three out of four players because they use modded weapons. Is that an acceptable state? No, it is definitely not. -- Cocofang 16:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

If you mod weapons and items for single-player, nobody has any business in taking issue with it.

If you mod weapons and items, and use them in multi-player co-op, don't be too surprised if you get dropped from a few games, probably because the game just isn't as fun. (When hacked weapons are in play, they may make the game too easy to be enjoyed. People like a challenge, yeah?)

If you mod weapons and items, and then use them in PvP (the arena and duels) against other players who don't know that you're using modded weapons, then it's a problem that can - and probably should - be resolved with either a ban stick, or baseball bat applied to your game disc.

In short, and as always- all's fair 'til you start bringing unfair advantages to bear against other players.*

--Volkai 16:32, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * (*Side note: This is why Windower is accepted by the Final Fantasy XI player base, while botting and claim tools get you reported and banned quick as can be.)

Plz tell me how to modd weapons. is it possible for the 360? if so how? if any1 knows hit me up here or my gamertag "sixtytwo jews"

To me modding is just another example of how lazy people are now. "Why work hard and beat the game the way it was intended, when I could just make myself a super weapon instead?" I also see this mentality at work, we get about six new kids a year who think they should be payed for standing around complaining about the job they aren't doing. I think modders should receive the same treatment these kids do, kick 'em out. Izrius

I don't see why anyone would want to mod anything for the game. Takes the point out of it in my opinion. Its a game heavily based on looting, finding cool new stuff, not just making what you find perfect. That being said as long as they keep it out of (like Volkai said) Duels and Arenas, its really nothing we should go on strike about. If your in a server where someone is using a modded item and its bothering you, its simple, leave. SLudge 19:01, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

amen, someone who makes sense, finally, i mean its not good but as i said earlier, people can have a weapon that does 50000000 dmg smg with firing rate of 10000000 and accuracy of 101, plus sometimes i forget to reload plus we don't need no water plus give sick w/e, as long as said person doesn't challenge me to a duel or get in my way idc, its like aids, idc if someone has aids, as long as there not spreading it around like wildfire, and i stick to that statement, they aren't hurting anyone, except for people who whine about ooo the games not fun anymoooore, or ooo he killed me in a duel and didn't tell me it was a modded gun, or oooo its immoral, u know what? it doesn't matter, because the creators will never ban modded weapons from the game, the only thing they should ban is dueling with modded weapons or going into arena's, a special thing where u can choose modded or non modded groups to join and if you have a modded weapon then you are sent to a modding fighting server, problem solved! no more modder's getting in you peoples soup, all they can do then is do games together and fight together, there that's your solution, and honestly if your going to whine to me how its wrong just save it, lots of things are wrong, obama is wrong and a monster, first thing he did was re-legalize still-birth abortions, don't know what it is? lucky you, also if someones reach they don't get in trouble anymore, everyone's open to being manipulated, the world is wrong, there are problems and people take advantage of little glitch's in our "programming" people get rich, they get powerful, they say what we want to hear so that we give them power, one last thing though, and I'm going to say it fairly big worded. YOU CANT STOP THE MODDER'S they are a horde, they will find a way past your "patch's" and everything else.Toolazytomakeaaccount 19:37, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Great, from reading your last how many sentences I am sure there are bound to be some upcoming arguments lol. SLudge 19:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Something else about modded weapons - please keep in mind that they are still being built utilizing existing parts. Players aren't coding up new parts that are completely broken, just putting the parts together in new, different, sometimes interesting, and often powerful (but sometimes laughably weak*) combinations.

To object to item modding at all, is somewhat similar to objecting to someone putting together their lego sets in ways other than what the instructions read.


 * "Laughably weak? How could a modded item possibly be laughably weak?" Try adding TK's Wave barrel to a rocket launcher. I dare you.

And Toolazy, please, keep politics out of it. Thanks. --Volkai 20:09, January 7, 2010 (UTC)